The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

Oh yeah, I know it needs work, I'm just trying to focus on TP for now.
Gil isn't really an issue, but Inventory and Efficiency are.

I use Windbuffet, because of the Epeen potential, as well as it applies to PK, Exen & Evis, and also doubles as my War WS belt for Upheaval.

I didn't want to blow Bayld on the Thura Legs, simply because I hope to get Thaumas Legs in a reasonable amount of time, (And I actually use Evis more often as it is, to close Darkness off of PK) but yeah, they're a clear upgrade to what I have, which is why I added the disclaimer about it just being a run of the mill set, that can be bested for cheaper.

I use Ocel +1 Head, because it triples as my Evasion Head Piece where I wanted the haste, as well as my Idle set, for the extra regen.

I'll add the Dagger combo's you listed, I appreciate your input and help, so thank you!

On another note, I finally got a +2 stone from our 3rd Skirmish run, and used it on my Leisilonu, unfortunately it's only +9 Dmg, and +5 Dex. I've been main handing this, while off handing my Str Thokcha.

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This is what I currently run.

Would 3x Thaumas still ve the way to go or should it be more/less now with Thuradaut out?

I have that gear set, but are the Charis Tights +2 really better than the Thaumas Kecks? They have 1% extra haste and Attack to boot.

(That said, I can see you've said that that's a base TP set. I guess my question is - if I have Thaumas Kecks, should I wear those instead!)

I believe the set you're referring to is a "budget/noNNI" build. ie the bare-minimum you should have but by no means best.

Unless you have Skadi+1, wear Thaumas.

No Skadi+1 yet. Working on it.

Thank you! ^^

The set I've posted is a 'base' where the following 'parts' I add will include other gear options for each slot, hopefully with a hierarchy of sorts. Daggers were just first, because of the vast options available to us, as well as the fact we now have 3-4 new daggers available. (Reminds me I need to DPS the Wildskeeper Reive Dagger)(Macoquetza)

But yes, Thaumas > Skadi +1 > Etoile +2 > Charis +2 seems to be the current rankings throughout my DPS experience.

Having said that, I keep finding Thaumas to be beating Skadi +1 legs.
Mythic/Empy users might have different results, and perhaps there are specific situations/mobs/buffs where Skadi wins, but Thaumas keeps coming out on top for me in just about every test so far, regardless of set bonuses, or how many other pieces used in the DPS. I believe this is in part, because of Thurandaut Head's Dual Weild, throwing a wrench in the equation.

is this sort of on target for a dnc double +5march set? only needs 18% gear haste with no +dw gear to cap delay?
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Looks good, Only notable upgrades I'd go with are nomkahpa mittens, portus collar and thaumas nails. Puts you at +19% and gives DA+9% more. Not sure in march sets how Etoile+2 pants fair vs Skadi crit+ but that'd put you just under haste (17%) for 5% more DA under saber.

I use Skadi+1 hands and Thaumas Nails
You should almost always add +1% more haste than you think you need

Out of curiosity, in your sets, where would Abatteur Subligar rank?

Flip-flopping with Etoile+2, depending on saber up/down

An admitted Meebles noob, I've never seen those, and they aren't even in the spreadsheet. Just manually put them in.

Using the 'base set', but adding Patentia, using: Tzustes +1/Pug
Charis +2 = 135.918
Etoile +2 = 137.959
Skadi +1 = 142.050
Thaumas = 144.606
Abbatteur = 148.534

Tzustes+1/Thokcha(Str)
Charis +2 = 132.680
Etoile +2 = 134.365
Skadi +1 = 139.925 (Beats Thaumas here -.-)
Thaumas = 139.197
Abbatteur = 144.683

Leisilonu(Dmg+9,Dex+5)/Thokcha(Str)
Charis +2 = 135.416
Etoile +2 = 137.754
Skadi +1 = 143.841
Thaumas = 147.428
Abbatteur = 148.467

Leisilonu(Dmg+9,Dex+5)/Pug
Charis +2 = 139.800
Etoile +2 = 142.498
Skadi +1 = 147.296
Thaumas = 154.149
Abbatteur = 153.427

So... take that for what you will. They seem pretty sexy for Evis, and were still the top option for a lot of the sets above.

Oh you're not using food ~ that explains the dreadfully low numbers x_x

This kind of insight is great but I've never seen it centralized anywhere - Can you or anyone else help me understand equivalencies like this between AGI STR and Atk for Exenterator? Also I know this is the DNC forum, but how about DEX when stacked with SA for THF?

Also, your spreadsheets are awesome but a bit daunting - do you have a guide for using them anywhere?

Such equivalencies used to be far more common before I put the spreadsheets together. People had to rely largely on "rules of thumb" to get an idea of which piece of gear was better than another, since the work necessary to math it all out was rather difficult and error-prone.

With the spreadsheets available, such rules of thumb are largely passé, particularly given the large number of possible relative ratios that someone might be interested in. If you want to know which piece is better, just check how each stands up when you plug it into the spreadsheet. If you want to know relative ratios between stats, put in X value for one stat, and see how much you need in another stat to get the same DPS result.

On the spreadsheets, there is no guide in particular, as basic use is fairly simple:

Set your race and subjob, note what your current merits are, select which weaponskill you want to use, turn on all buffs that are present, select the target you want to judge against, and then just go to the gear page and put in the gear you have available, or want to consider acquiring, and see what gives you the largest number for either weaponskill damage or overall DPS. The only things you should be changing are values in red or green on the Setup page, or blue cells on the Gear page.

Hi everyone! I've been a bit concerned lately because I'm not quite sure my TP set is as good as it could be, with what I have available.

Bear in mind I can't rely on NNI/Skadi+1 yet, because I'm using tags to reach Captain first, and in Salv2 I'm working on Morrigan. With that said, I'll post my current TP set.

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I know I have to get a new Ammo for outside Aby stuff, I just honestly haven't gotten around to it.

I have Thurandaut Gloves available as well, but that's 1% shorter than Brego, and considering I don't cap haste without AF3+2 head, I'm a bit concerned. (Etoile Tights are augmented)

Wait for the more experienced people to respond.
But here would be my answer:
*It's going to depend on what you're fighting*
Twilight Belt to Potentia Sash
Charis Feather to Potestas Bomblet
Brego Gloves to Thurandaut Gloves
A page back, I went over daggers for these types of sets: Here

Excellent, thanks very much! This is just what I needed.

Are the augmented Etoile+2 better than thaumas for TP? I thought they were just slightly worse, even with SD up.
This is basically what I'm workin with.
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I did some testing this morning on the new Alchemy weapons (because I make them) and it turns out that Nitric Baselard gives 3 minutes of 18.75% Defense Down with a high proc rate.

vs. DC Dynamis monster with mainhand Terpsichore, Haste, and Marches
375 - 99 Twashtar, 7% Defense Down
425.8 - Nitric Baselard, 26% Defense Down (proc)
346 - Nitric Baselard, 7% Defense Down (non-proc)

As long as you assume the debuff will be on the monster for 36% of the time (which is very reasonable at least against the EPs I was testing against) then it seems Nitric Baselard is a better offhand than 99 Twashtar.


Now including Dia II:
416.4 - 99 Twashtar, 17% Defense Down
466.4 - Nitric Baselard, 36% Defense Down (proc)
384.3 - Nitric Baselard, 17% Defense Down (non-proc)

If you include Dia II, you need to maintain 39% up-time to out-do 99 Twashtar. This still seems pretty reasonable as long as the weapon is proccing.

Now I know you meantioned this for Terpsichore, Byrth, but how would that offhand work for Aluh / STR Thokcha or Tzutses +1 main? Assuming just plucking in different main weapons won't take you too long.

Downloaded a new version of the spreadsheets so the numbers won't perfectly correspond, but using the same buffs as before (with an RCB).

Okay, for Tzutses +1/(Nitric or Aluh) with 7% Defense Down base (Presto/Box Step):
Aluh: 423
Nitric (no proc): 407.2
Nitric (proc): 495.1
So you need 18% up-time for the debuff in order for it to be better than Aluh when you're starting with Presto/Box Step.

Presto/Box Step and Dia II this time:
Aluh: 470.7
Nitric (no proc): 453.2
Nitric (proc): 497.3
So now you need about 40% up-time in order for Nitric to be better than Aluh. The lead shrunk because we started hitting the attack cap, but I honestly still think that's doable.

I must have not used RCBs when I did the Twashtar simulation.

Thanks for the numbers plucking. That's a pretty impressive offhand.

edit: Send me one, yo!

DNC can't equip Nitric!

Is the NQ new dagger just as potent on def- as the HQ? I know blutkralen/klauren (w/e NQ/HQ are) do have varying def-.

Didn't see your post until I posted mine.. SoB you are correct lol

lol . . . I didn't even look because it was a dagger. Really SE? Really?

The NQ and HQ are different. I added all the information to BGwiki.

Well to be fair, I don't think dnc is on a single Baselard style or Dagger style knife.

Wow, SE. Chocobo Jig II? Way to not address any of the problems with the job at all.

The worst part is that an AoE Chocobo Jig wasn't even the most popular stupid suggestion on the official forums.