The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-07 13:47:44
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The problem with distance limits is how variable monster size is. If you set the default so that you won't out of range small-body monsters, you end up unable to WS against large body monsters without using a trigger spell and changing your range. If I have a distance filter for my WSs anymore, it's like 10'+
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2013-01-07 13:49:15
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Yeah; that's why I generally don't bother with it.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-09 00:08:30
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Now I have Skadi hands and legs +1!

If I get Skadi head +1 and Patentia Sash, I think I'll be done buying collecting gear for a while again.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2013-01-09 02:12:22
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I'm super lazy. I just have a rule for 'Is presto active? Change box to feather'. This doesn't quite work with only one second between them though. At least it mixes up steps now and then.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-11 08:40:34
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:333333333333

SE made a JP post this morning where they outline a few changes. DNC hilights are:
1) They're considering lowering level correction for 1H weapons to reduce the disparity between 2H and 1H DDs.
2) They're considering making Last Resort give a 10% base Haste and then have Desperate Blows add another 15% on. Notably, this means we can sub DRK and be essentially delay capped 3/5 minutes with just Haste. Also, +15% Attack from Last Resort and Attack Bonus II. This would blow all our other sub options out of the water.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-01-11 08:42:17
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OH YEAH WELL WHAT IF I SUB YOUR MAIN ON MY MAIN.... oh.. fine :<
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2013-01-11 08:51:14
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
:333333333333

SE made a JP post this morning where they outline a few changes. DNC hilights are:
1) They're considering lowering level correction for 1H weapons to reduce the disparity between 2H and 1H DDs.
2) They're considering making Last Resort give a 10% base Haste and then have Desperate Blows add another 15% on. Notably, this means we can sub DRK and be essentially delay capped 3/5 minutes with just Haste. Also, +15% Attack from Last Resort and Attack Bonus II. This would blow all our other sub options out of the water.

Ppl would still sub NIN for shadows.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-11 08:54:09
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I do Salvage v2 on DNC/SAM, so instead I'd do it on DNC/DRK. The last time I subbed NIN on DNC was killing the MMM Kogglemander NM (at the 99 cap). He hits for like 600+ damage, so I needed shadows. Something like Khimaira prideleader that hits for 200-300 damage? /SAM.


This.Changes.Everything.


Also, apparently the Ratio changes might be main hand only, but most WS damage is main hand so it's actually affecting something like 75% of my damage.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2013-01-11 09:11:37
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Holy crap, that's amazing if they add these changes!
And not just for DNC! :P
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2013-01-11 09:14:30
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
:333333333333

SE made a JP post this morning where they outline a few changes. DNC hilights are:
1) They're considering lowering level correction for 1H weapons to reduce the disparity between 2H and 1H DDs.
2) They're considering making Last Resort give a 10% base Haste and then have Desperate Blows add another 15% on. Notably, this means we can sub DRK and be essentially delay capped 3/5 minutes with just Haste. Also, +15% Attack from Last Resort and Attack Bonus II. This would blow all our other sub options out of the water.

If this actually happens, this will make me very happy O-o.....
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-01-11 09:18:23
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Quote:
Also, apparently the Ratio changes might be main hand only

It was one of the ideas that Matsui said the dev team was throwing around. I'm sure they're open to other suggestions so make sure to post something on the official forums about it when the translation comes along if you want to suggest something different!
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-11 09:20:01
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If you all will excuse me, I need to change my pants.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-11 09:25:44
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inb4 "Ideal Last Resort up" and "Ideal Last Resort down" sets!

Really though, we'll definitely need two new sets.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-11 09:31:10
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JP post says base 15% (+10% from merits), so yeah.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-01-11 09:32:43
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
JP post says base 15% (+10% from merits), so yeah.

I hope they give something else to the merit then... that kinda shafts drk lol.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-11 09:34:07
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
JP post says base 15% (+10% from merits), so yeah.

I hope they give something else to the merit then... that kinda shafts drk lol.


That actually may be the point. In the post he references a thread titled "Is Dark Knight too powerful?"
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-11 09:36:46
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
JP post says base 15% (+10% from merits), so yeah.

Wow, then we'd have 15% (Haste), 25% (Gear), 10% (Samba), 15% (Last Resort) = 65% Haste with just a white mage 3/5 of the time

We could swap to Skadi Body +1 and Rancor Collar and still be delay capped, I think. GUESS WE FOUND A USE FOR SKADI BODY!
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2013-01-11 09:38:36
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Not like it matters for DRK anyways.
Other jobs get a cool new subjob, that's not a negative thing :D
MNK\DRK comeback! (not for the same reason, but still!)
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-11 09:45:01
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Based on http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/112776-Dev-Tracker-Findings-Posts-%28NO-DISCUSSION%29?p=5553649&viewfull=1#post5553649, it seems like the Ratio adjustments are more in a planning phase but the other adjustments are pretty much set. This is awesome.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2013-01-11 09:46:37
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But let's face it.
DNC is'nt gonna be accepted as a DD even with both those changes, simply because people don't like drastic changes.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-01-11 09:49:11
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
:333333333333

SE made a JP post this morning where they outline a few changes. DNC hilights are:
1) They're considering lowering level correction for 1H weapons to reduce the disparity between 2H and 1H DDs.
This is going to make MNK the top DD.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-11 09:54:16
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
But let's face it.
DNC is'nt gonna be accepted as a DD even with both those changes, simply because people don't like drastic changes.

My mules like me just the way I am Q.Q;
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2013-01-11 10:01:06
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Not related to this topic, but since there were talk about that post in general in here...

"
About Merit Point Weapon Skills
Another significant set of requests I've received were in this thread about raising the maximum on the merit point weapon skill category. Rather than making this adjustment, we are considering adjusting the weapon skill correction value so that there is a benefit to using these even at the first upgrade level."

Yess... exactly what we wanted >_>
How can a post both be so awesome and so stupid at the same time.

Edit: PM me if you want me to delete this due too offtopic*
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-11 10:02:59
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I don't know, lol. I might considering putting one merit level into Stardiver, Shattersoul, Shijin Spiral, etc. for the additional effects / moderate WS damage, though.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2013-01-11 10:08:38
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If you don't allready use 3 weaponskills for dmg that's a good option, but I think that's just a stupid way to avoid making people happy by SE :<
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-11 10:19:07
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I have capped resolution, upheaval, and exenterator right now. I don't use upheaval at all, so I was going to switch it back to ruinator. This would be the alternative, though.
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2013-01-11 12:13:41
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They'd be changing it so that 1 merit gives slightly less than what 4 merits does now. At 4 merits, most of them are 'decent'; it's just that there's currently no point in doing a 4/1 split, so you might as well go all the way to 5.

I have Shijin Spiral for one of mine, even though I also have Smite (skillchaining Shijin>Shoha in Dynamis seems to work better for my group than straight spamming weaponskills). I'd be fine going with 1-2 in Shijin with the new system, and being able to pick up 2-4 more weaponskills at a decent level, for the jobs I don't play much. It'd also be trivial to swap them around on a whim when I only need 1 merit in them, instead of the effort to get 5 merits in each.

However I'd still agree that a few more merits in the category would be appreciated. Even just bumping from 15 to 18 would really do the trick, since you could have 3 maxed, and 3 more at 1 merit each.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-11 18:07:28
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With just Haste, we still need ~13% dual wield with 25% gear haste and 19-20% with 21% (as we have in our current TP set).



Choosing to cap haste, dropping Patentia's unneeded dual wield to use Goading and cap haste as well as get the same 5 store TP. It isn't worth using Patentia to "hit faster" as in both scenarios you're hitting at the cap.

Terpsichore can use Rancorous and with all that Crit+ (and last resort boosting attack anyway) Charis Feather may be the best ammo option either way.

There are two Caveats:

1.) Desperate blows only works for 2h weapons. Will they include this stipulation for moving haste to Last Resort?

2.) They plan on adjusting defense. As a side effect, you're penalized more for using abilities that decrease your defense. Is this going to become problematic?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-01-16 07:47:47
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No Last Resort for DNC. 2-handers onry. Everything is going dark.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2013-01-16 14:46:57
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Should I be using Hagneia Stone when dynamis farming? I've seen myself land at 99 tp a decent amount. I was just wondering if the ammo would fix that or if maybe I should be using Charis Tiara +2, or maybe both?
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