The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

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 Siren.Thoraeon
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-16 09:59:43
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I am curious about other people's opinions on an off hand dagger to Twashtar (85 atm, but working on 90 and about 20% of HMP collected for the 95/99).

Basically, STR Thokcha vs Coruscanti (primarily for dynamis, but also other things)

I need to do some more testing because I have way too many variables atm, but so far I have done a parse for Coruscanti (in Dyna-Valk) and Thokcha (in Dyna-Qufim). My primary concern is the critical hit rate.

For Corus, my crit rate with capped dDex should be 30%. My parse showed 32% and change. I only realized afterwards that I tainted my results with Climactic, so I will have to redo this.

For Thokcha, my crit rate with capped dDex should be 25%. My parse came up with 18%. For this I also used Climactic just to be fair, but I will redo this as well.

Basically, if Corus roughly adds 14% crit hit rate from dDex and stats (ignoring severe damage for obvious reasons), does this beat STR Thok's Str/Attack? Personally, I have been using Coruscanti because of shiny dagger syndrome, but I figured that I should be fair and try comparing them.

Other things to consider, once I get 90 Twash that will add at a max 5% crit hit rate, 99 will potentially cap dDex. With 99, STR Thok might be better, but at 85/90 I personally am leaning towards Coruscanti.

(I will parse again without using Climatic in the same zone next time, but for now I just want some other opinions on the subject.)

Edit: new page :O
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-03-16 10:03:37
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Wow... I never noticed that page. They got pretty detailed pDIF model themselves.

But 5% is still relatively small compared to other WS atk bonus.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-16 10:06:21
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Thokcha is basically going to win unless your STR is capped (or nearly capped) and your attack is capped (or nearly capped).

To be honest, Coruscanti + Thokcha is probably better than 85 Twashtar / Thokcha and it may be better than 90 Twashtar / Thokcha, at least in Dynamis.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-16 10:08:36
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Asura.Vrytreya said: »
Wow... I never noticed that page. They got pretty detailed pDIF model themselves.

But 5% is still relatively small compared to other WS atk bonus.

Yeah, I'm not really sure what gives. Compared to the other merit WS, Ruinator seems really overpowered.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-16 10:13:24
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Thokcha is basically going to win unless your STR is capped (or nearly capped) and your attack is capped (or nearly capped).

To be honest, Coruscanti + Thokcha is probably better than 85 Twashtar / Thokcha and it may be better than 90 Twashtar / Thokcha, at least in Dynamis.
Yeah, I figured as much. Again though with shiny dagger syndrome. xD It just seems like a large amount of crit hit rate though (although large amount of str/atk as well).

I would think that once I get 90 Twash that it can out do Corus/Thok though considering the delay, and critRudra does average slightly higher than Exent (at least with my builds) especially with the ODD. On that note, I did THF/DNC in dyna to compare DNC Rudra to THF Rudra, and we just won't talk about that.

Also, Rudra not being compatible with WF makes me sad, since in dyna it is one of my procs. If I proc with Wild, Exent easily wins.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-16 10:17:24
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Wild Flourish + Exenterator pretty much outdoes Climactic + 100TP Rudra's almost every time.

If you're WSing with more than 100TP, WS more often.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-16 10:20:31
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Wild Flourish + Exenterator pretty much outdoes Climactic + 100TP Rudra's almost every time.

If you're WSing with more than 100TP, WS more often.
Oh I know, the fact that Wild adds roughly 60% or so to Exent easily proves this. Although, doing Darkness with Rudra is pretty fun.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-16 10:26:35
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http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Skillchain_Bonus

We get a lot of it!
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-16 10:29:19
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...to be honest I think it was a weird trait to make DNC the "best" at.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-16 10:31:08
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And then make Wild Flourish so weak compared to the Sam one.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-16 10:34:35
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...to be honest if we could open a level 3 skillchain with wild flourish every 30 seconds ... that would be maybe on the border of broken.
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-03-16 10:35:21
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Haven't played dancer in ages: is Wild Flourish the de facto use of finishing moves for Dynamis?
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-16 10:38:19
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Theoretically, we can Reverse Flourish, but yes, yes it would.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-16 12:03:55
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Asura.Vrytreya said: »
Wow... I never noticed that page. They got pretty detailed pDIF model themselves.

But 5% is still relatively small compared to other WS atk bonus.
Same as Shijin Spiral's.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-16 22:28:49
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Sylph.Nazantia said: »
you're*

Thanks for the great info in this thread. I read all 49 pages.

BRB assembling the ultra cheap Exenterator set from a few pages back. O.Head is not what I consider affordable. Anyone know any cheaper alternatives for head slot? I'm currently using Deceit Mask. <.<


Oh by the way. Lenore's Hairpin is another option. Also, Floor 20 (NQ) Neo-Nyzul hat is extremely easy to get (even now), and should beat Ocelomeh+1 unless you're using Toci's.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/10902/euxine-hat
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dova 2012-03-17 00:19:39
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Question. I have crit dmg+3 augment spry gloves. no dex augment or nothing. Should I use for CF rudra and/or evis or just go to normal options everyone uses? Looking for any way possible to get some inv space
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 01:17:31
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They're not going to win for Evis. They may or may not be worth using for CFRudra, but yeah...
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dova 2012-03-17 01:21:14
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Cool. Sounds like inv-1 then
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-17 09:03:19
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Question: Assuming 90 Twash, what is Corus good for?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 09:07:09
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Sparkling.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 09:07:42
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Also your best offhand assuming Boost STR capped and Chaos Roll + Berserk.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 09:11:54
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It may be a better mainhand in Dynamis than 90 Twash or 2nd Thokcha as well.

Sira was supposed to spreadsheet that ***for me after our conversation about it earlier, so I don't have to do it myself, but I haven't heard anything from him >:|
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-17 09:12:56
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Also your best offhand assuming Boost STR capped and Chaos Roll + Berserk.
So VW basically?

Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Sparkling.
This times 1000. I have had people ask me to go outside town just to see it before xD
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 09:13:00
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x2 Fire Thokcha if you're using Exenterator. :(
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 09:14:11
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I think I'd rather spam Qilin for the rest of my life than do fire dagger twice.

Especially considering I'm making a sword.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-17 09:14:57
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yeah me too :(

minus the sword part cuz i don't care about blu so i'll keep rocking my hofud.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-17 09:15:34
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Well, Twash does have very nice delay, and since DNC is about 60-65% dot that cannot be a bad thing.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-17 09:16:05
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right now i'm rocking isador + dhampyr sword.

it's pretty embarrassing.

draylo will never love me :(
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-17 09:43:34
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Oh yeah, I feel this might be worth mentioning. It is a little obvious, but kinda nice. Before I merited enemy crit rate, I was getting critted about 5-6% of the time, now I am getting critted 0-1% of the time in dynamis. Pretty snazzy.
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