The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age
The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms for a New Age
The last time I really did support DNC was in an Abyssea - Konschtat party at level 80, and even then I only really healed one other person. It is too bad that the playstyle is gone, because we have really gotten a lot of nice tools for it between 75 and 99.
Phoenix.Lillicarnage said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
That said, I'm not convinced the extra TP gain is worth it except maybe if you're trying to WS proc mobs in Dynamis.
I have the final version and all I have really used it for was building TP to do the trials for my +100TP bonus dagger (which I also hardly ever use) and for helping people break ws-trial weapons.
I have made a lot of useless daggers -_-;; I wish I had your guide before I started them all.
At least that was time you didn't spend with your hands in your pockets in Jeuno!
I am probably going to finish my TP Bonus Fusetto to 99 while getting my last 30 merits for Exenterator. Then I need to buy or farm another 9 Garudites and I will be done with dagger trials.
Ultimately I should probably upgrade DNC Head/Hands/Feet to +2 in Dynamis as well. By the time I finish with those, it is very likely I will have all of the buyable gear I could possibly want for DNC as well. Then I guess I will move on to whoring voidwatch and either stockpiling gil or spending it on WAR. D:
What do you guys use as your evasion body, in theory? I am looking at Athos's Tabard as a good option, but doing Rex with pickup groups has not been very productive.
R/Ex to get.
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Ultimately I should probably upgrade DNC Head/Hands/Feet to +2 in Dynamis as well. By the time I finish with those, it is very likely I will have all of the buyable gear I could possibly want for DNC as well. Then I guess I will move on to whoring voidwatch and either stockpiling gil or spending it on WAR. D:
What do you guys use as your evasion body, in theory? I am looking at Athos's Tabard as a good option, but doing Rex with pickup groups has not been very productive.
R/Ex to get.
Shopping List.
I don't think you get much better than Athos for an evasion body.
Uh, I'm kind of a bad example because my "evasion" body is Charis+2 lol.
Uh, I'm kind of a bad example because my "evasion" body is Charis+2 lol.
What's the agi:evasion ratio these days?
2:1 as always!
That said, 2 AGI > 1 Evasion due to the dAGI update.
That said, 2 AGI > 1 Evasion due to the dAGI update.
1 Evasion Skill = .9 Evasion
1 Evasion = 2 AGI
2 Evasion = -1% enemy hit rate if you are not capped in either direction
Though it isn't really useful, I think there are certainly some Voidwatch NMs that you can hold using an evasion build. Smeirc, for instance, is pretty much blind in my experience.
1 Evasion = 2 AGI
2 Evasion = -1% enemy hit rate if you are not capped in either direction
Though it isn't really useful, I think there are certainly some Voidwatch NMs that you can hold using an evasion build. Smeirc, for instance, is pretty much blind in my experience.
Hehe thanks ^^
I'll be honest I havnt used an evasion set since 75 :3
I'll be honest I havnt used an evasion set since 75 :3
Pil's accuracy is actually pretty terrible in my experience.
Its too bad those NMs do most of their damage through TP moves (Accuracy boost) and magic (lolEvasion). Fanatic's or gtfo, I suppose.
Do you think Ocelomeh Headpiece +1 is better than AF3+2 head for Saber Dance?
7 STP, 8 attack, 1-2 acc vs. 13 DEX, 2 Regen, and <1% Haste
7 STP, 8 attack, 1-2 acc vs. 13 DEX, 2 Regen, and <1% Haste
I think it's going to be one of those things that depends on your dDEX again, lol.
Also remember that you're losing 1% ODD from set bonus, but that's not really all that evil.
It's definitely the superior option for a March Set (with Toci's), either way.
Also remember that you're losing 1% ODD from set bonus, but that's not really all that evil.
It's definitely the superior option for a March Set (with Toci's), either way.
Don't neglect the STP on the head. +7 STP can knock off 1-2 hits depending on your daggers.
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Don't neglect the STP on the head. +7 STP can knock off 1-2 hits depending on your daggers.
For DNC it's really better to look at TP/second and not WSfreq/TP-->100.
You put up Sambas, you step, you reverse flourish, you have 38% double attack rate (so you'll have TP overflow over a third of the timee), you have conserve TP, you have Tactical Parry IV, things hit you, cast spells on you, WS double/TA, WS hits miss...
True enough, I just felt it was worth noting.
You say that but hastey pinion is trash, there is something I'm clearly missing still, Idk
Well, I think the af3+2 head is probably the superior option unless your DEX is at a very critical point.
Anyway:
Haste+Haste Samba
DW 48%
21 STP base
Twash/Coruscanti: "25%" Haste with Saber Dance Pants: Delay 96.38281 (1.61 Seconds), 5.0 TP/hit
Twash/Coruscanti 25% capped Haste with Saber Dance pants and Hasty Pinion, STP-5: Delay 95.6414 (1.59 seconds), 4.8 TP/hit
Lose: 0.2 seconds delay, 0.2 TP/hit
(for you specifically)
Coruscanti/Thokcha: 100.0797 (1.67), 5.2 vs. 99.30984 (1.66), 4.9
Lose: 0.1 seconds delay, 0.3TP/hit
tl;dr pinion, it's worse for you than it is for me
Haste+Haste Samba
DW 48%
21 STP base
Twash/Coruscanti: "25%" Haste with Saber Dance Pants: Delay 96.38281 (1.61 Seconds), 5.0 TP/hit
Twash/Coruscanti 25% capped Haste with Saber Dance pants and Hasty Pinion, STP-5: Delay 95.6414 (1.59 seconds), 4.8 TP/hit
Lose: 0.2 seconds delay, 0.2 TP/hit
(for you specifically)
Coruscanti/Thokcha: 100.0797 (1.67), 5.2 vs. 99.30984 (1.66), 4.9
Lose: 0.1 seconds delay, 0.3TP/hit
tl;dr pinion, it's worse for you than it is for me
And loss of af3 is?
Head* sorry typing on phone
I'm using Ocelo head +1 right now to test low pDIF values while afk (at work) against greater lolibri!. 2 HP/tick ftw!
Anyway, though, it is going to be my Exenterator head until I can get/make Cua Headpiece +1 (I don't have Toci's). Also, it is pretty solid in an evasion or Utsu: Ichi midcast build, eh?
Ocelo+1/Torero/Suppa/Brutal
AF3+2/Brego/Epona's/Rajas
Boxer's/Phasmida/AF3+2/Athos's
25% Haste (not capped).
Could swap Twilight in to be officially capped, but I suspect the above would cap Utsu: Ichi recast reduction from gear haste.
Anyway, though, it is going to be my Exenterator head until I can get/make Cua Headpiece +1 (I don't have Toci's). Also, it is pretty solid in an evasion or Utsu: Ichi midcast build, eh?
Ocelo+1/Torero/Suppa/Brutal
AF3+2/Brego/Epona's/Rajas
Boxer's/Phasmida/AF3+2/Athos's
25% Haste (not capped).
Could swap Twilight in to be officially capped, but I suspect the above would cap Utsu: Ichi recast reduction from gear haste.
Assuming same ***as above:
Twash/Coru
Tiara: 1.61s/5.0TP
Oce+1: 1.59s/4.7TP
Coru/Thokcha
Tiara: 1.67s/5.2TP
Oce+1: 1.66s/4.9TP
Twash/Coru
Tiara: 1.61s/5.0TP
Oce+1: 1.59s/4.7TP
Coru/Thokcha
Tiara: 1.67s/5.2TP
Oce+1: 1.66s/4.9TP
I think Ocelomeh+1, after further examination, may actually win out against Cuahu+1, relegating Cuahu+1 to Evisceration/DE/PK.
Better even without Toci's/Set bonus?
That's what I figured
Tiara vs. Headpiece
Twash/Thokcha
Tiara: 1.61`/5.0
Oce: 1.60/ 4.7
Thokcha/Thokcha
Tiara: 1.67/5.2
Oce: 1.66/4.9
Twash/Thokcha
Tiara: 1.61`/5.0
Oce: 1.60/ 4.7
Thokcha/Thokcha
Tiara: 1.67/5.2
Oce: 1.66/4.9
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Better even without Toci's/Set bonus?
Yeah.
It hurts me to say it after all the BS I went through to get Cuahu+1, I shouted for like 2 weeks.
Well then! Okay!
If you are using Ocelo head, is Athos's Tabard or Toci's Harness a better body against easy/hard monsters?
If you are using Ocelo head, is Athos's Tabard or Toci's Harness a better body against easy/hard monsters?
Well, let me think about it:
Ocelomeh: 13AGI
CUAHU: 7 AGI 7STR 7 ATTACK
7 STR cancels out 1.75AGI (yeah I know it's quantized, but let's run on the average lol)
so it's 11.75 AGI vs. 7AGI 7 Attack
or 5.75 AGI vs. 10.5 Attack
r = 1.82
Motenten's estimate isn't one I'm too worried about doubting.
Ocelomeh: 13AGI
CUAHU: 7 AGI 7STR 7 ATTACK
7 STR cancels out 1.75AGI (yeah I know it's quantized, but let's run on the average lol)
so it's 11.75 AGI vs. 7AGI 7 Attack
or 5.75 AGI vs. 10.5 Attack
r = 1.82
Fenrir.Motenten said: »
Rough estimate on value of att vs agi is 2.75:1. Figure at 3:1 or higher, go with attack, and at 2.5:1 or lower, go with agi. Anything in between is mostly a wash.
Motenten's estimate isn't one I'm too worried about doubting.
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Well then! Okay!
If you are using Ocelo head, is Athos's Tabard or Toci's Harness a better body against easy/hard monsters?
If you are using Ocelo head, is Athos's Tabard or Toci's Harness a better body against easy/hard monsters?
They both give a decent amount of accuracy, so I'll ignore it:
15 AGI vs 13 STR 10 Attack 3%DA, 3%TA
13 STR cancels 3.25 AGI
11.75 AGI vs. 16.5 Attack + 3%DA 3%TA
r = 1.40 + some offset from 3%DA and 3%TA
tl;dr I don't know exactly.
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