The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

Currency is between 5 to 6k on Phoenix atm but if I can save gil on making my Rng weapons I'll still do it. HMP I think are around 70 to 80k but will be used on other weps other then Dagger now. Once I'm done with relics, then Dnc will be shelved unless SE fixes us somehow. Just not sure how...

HMP on Shiva I see on the regular shouts selling for 60k and still falling some are as low as 50k >.>....

Based on the RME change example, I would predict Terpsichore will be D98 or D99. Twashtar would be approximately D91 or D92 (with Acc/Atk+20), so Aphotic Kukri is probably not competition for it. Izhiikoh would be better than it, though.

This is awesome, because:
1) Mythic gets stronger in terms of DPS relative to the other options
2) We can use Climactic -> Rudra's as part of our normal playstyle regardless what we mainhand.


I almost feel like they didn't think very hard about the exact values they chose for D and such, because this really does represents a substantial damage boost to Mythics. Ryunohige and Koga are going to be even more beastly.

It seems like Terpsichore might also get Acc+20 Attack+20 based on their example of Burtgang also getting it

1) Terpsichore will be stupid awesome and
2) (unrelated to the context of this thread) Kenkonken will be even more stupid awesome

I have reason to work on Kenkonken again, depending on what the trials are like for those boosts xD

I am excite. Getting 1136 DPS against the level 100 Chapuli target using D99/D92 and RCB/March/March/Fighter's 15%/Chaos 25%/Haste/Boost-STR.

The immediately obvious result of this change will be that Exenterator loses a lot of ground against other WS options. Assuming finished Manibozho augments, Pyrrhic Kleos is going to kick ***. 4171 damage WSs. Using Pyrrhic Kleos in Exenterator gear would do more damage than Exenterator.

Now if only I could catch Medusa :(

As nice as the Mythic is and how I'd love to make one, sadly I'm not in the position to have one even before the year is out in all reality. So I'm still wondering with the new adjustments to the RME would building the Empy still make Dnc useable in the new content? Or would I be better off finishing what I currently have into a WoE and use the new Daggers?

You would have to take it to 99 to get anything out of it, but unlocking Rudra' will be useful even if you are using aphotic.

I am glad they plan on unlocking Empyrean WS

It's the kind of adjustment that benefits a new DNC and someone like me or Byrth in more or less the same way - and that's the kind of adjustment this game needs

So, should I just make the WoE weapon then and use the metal plates for a different weapon? As cool as the weapon is and all, I'm not in the position to obtain the HMP via VW or flat out buying (though with a few +2 empy gear I could at least get my feet wet in the city VW). Have my Str Dagger @ lv 90 now, fun part is the 40 Flame I still need on top of the 55 for H2H.

For Adoulin content which of the delve earring sets do you think are worth going after?
The heartseeker earring set is somewhat appealing since things are so evasive, but I have a nagging feeling its not worth dropping suppa/brutal.

Dudgeon/Heartseeker is worth it if you need the accuracy; it's not worth it if you don't. This applies to any DW job, from what I can tell.

Bladeborn/Steelflash are always (as far as I can tell) better than Brutal+any other option, for any job that doesn't use DW.

How high do you value STP on DNC? That Manibozho Beret is quite the piece. Really hoping Airlixir +2s will get somewhat common down the line so that rank 15 isn't as outlandish as it is now.

DEX+10 INT+10 MND+10 Accuracy+12 Evasion+12 Haste+6%
+ another 15att, 10acc, 10str at rank 15

Certainly the best hybrid eva piece - but does it beat Skadi's Visor +1 flat out despite lack of STP? Even at just rank2, +8att, +4acc I'm already liking it.

I personally don't value STP too high on DNC since it's my solo job and stuff like the occassional hit taken + Tactical Parry throw it off anyway. Or am I just underestimating STP's value for dual wielders?

Chocaliztli mask has more accuracy, more str, more haste, 20 AGI (only 2 less Eva) but lacks the 10 Dex, but won't cost 20-60 Mil, depending on server/prices.

Whirlpool Mask, if obtainable, surpasses both.

So many ways I want to use the new Manibozho gear >.<. Bear in mind I have no NNI or Salvage gear.

Head: I was considering EVA path because 27EVA 22ACC 10AGI and the other stats seem pretty nice for solo as well as Exenterator on evasive mobs.

Body: Again thinking EVA path for the added ACC and a total of 25AGI, this would surpass Thurandaut I think and be a nice hybrid evasion piece. Otherwise was maybe thinking ATK path for single wielding my Aphotic ... but I never get invited to Delve on anything but BRD.

Legs: EVA path would be nice to stack a whopping 25 EVA on a 6% Haste piece. Math'd it out and I think they are about equal to Thurandaut when fully aug'd for Exenterator.

Feet: Could replace my Scopuli nails with an EVA aug for Exenterator and still do better than my +1 empy for TP but ATK would probably make these the best TP piece.

So many options... what are others doing? Haven't done much soloing outside of a few mobs in ceizak/yahse and EP dyna mobs so not sure if EVA is even worth it anymore? I know once upon a time the EVA would be amazing (looking at you Charybdis) but no clue now.

My current not so good gear:
ItemSet 288269ItemSet 288273ItemSet 300836

Head: Evasion is the way to go, because for TP, other obtainable options are available, but it's an amazing Evasion TP piece.

Body: Perhaps for Single Wielding, but I strongly advice you don't waste time/gil upgrading a body, that will only have a use while single wielding, which should be extinct in a month or two.

Legs: When I put the Attack Path into the DPS they actually beat Thaumas legs. Charis +2 seem perfectly fine for an Evasion piece if you feel the need to carry an extra piece of gear for just 5 Eva, I wouldn't choose the Eva path unless you were trying to make a super-Eva build. Also keep in mind, that the Att path creates an amazing Evis WS piece.

Feet: Again, Augmented with the Attack Path, I have them coming out ahead of both Charis+2 and Sigyn feet.

I suppose the issue is... If Dnc is going to be only used as a Solo Job, then perhaps Evasion Paths are the best option, because of how you may end up using it for the majority of your playtime.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll go ATK for legs/feet and EVA for head. Would you suggest EVA for body then for Exenterator or just hold out/keep using Thurandaut?

I'm not sure at what Augment Rank Manibozho would begin to beat Thura, but eventually it will. The issue will be in assuming you can augment all these pieces so easily. It's 300k plasm PER piece. Then I believe the next question is whether or not we'll still be using Exenterator as our main WS, because of the new gear.

Exenterator is going to be a hard sell with new weapons. It has already started dropping off steeply compared to Evisceration with Aphotic Kukri, and if you have a chance to get a better weapon (Izhiikoh, assumedly RME post-update) then it will be worse.

But yes, it does look like a fully augmented Mani body is our best WS piece at the moment for PK and Exenterator, and probably Evisceration as well. Mani legs are also the best WS piece. Mani feet (fully augmented) are fantastic a piece.

Ah great thanks for all the input. Yes I've noticed Evisceration pulling ahead over Exenterator in Dyna Xarc a bit while farming my DNC body right now (wish me luck, 13th attempt at this). I'll hold off on the body for now then and work on other pieces.

Edit: I thought it was only 5,700 Plasm to get from rank 1 to 15?

No, 300,000 Plasm (approximately, really something like 299,000)

Ohh Plasm I got confused with RP haha. Not too bad though, that's like 1-3 weeks to max a piece of gear.


Edit: Also just noticed I hit a Kindred Warrior a few times and saw "Add. Eff. Paralysis" "Add. Eff. Curse" "Add. Eff. Silence" Just now when I dipped under 50% HP. Using my TP DW set I posted above. Possible hidden trait for Manibozho gear/Aphotic Kukri? Would make very nice pieces even better if so.

Edit2: It's the dagger just enfeebled with poison blind and weakness too.

Edit3: I think it may just be battlemod being busted on twilight knifes TP drain. :(

Just got the Aphotic Kukri (Rank 2, path A), but now I'm torn what to off-hand. I assume Aluh is a no-no, due to 201 delay? What about my STR Thokcha? I'd love to have the Wildskeeper dagger as well, but with barely nobody doing Reives at the moment, let alone Wildskeeper ones, I don't see it as atainable.

STR Thokcha seems like the best of the 3 daggers you mentioned to off-hand for Aphotic Kukri.

It might be better to just go /nothing. DNC sits at sub 50% DW (unless you're using the DW earring combo, in which case you're at 50% exactly) and does have decent options to swap in for its DW pieces (AF3+2 body--->Thaumas, Suppa or DW combo--->DA earring combo, AF3 neck-->Rancor or Ausperity). It also has an okay shield option.

So maybe something like this:

ItemSet 301107

removing any dagger shows a fair drop in damage, regardless of haste buffs. Thokcha when with mages, oynos when solo seems best bet still(assuming no skirmish/wildskeeper weapons).

I have the DW set just barely winning still with Marches.

I found this giving 3~ more DPS in a low buff situation: ItemSet 301119

Also, I think Manibozho brais are now beating Etoile Tights +2 in just about every Saber Dance situation now. But still keep them for jigs.

And yeah, did a little comparison, either the DNC spreadsheets aren't taking account for /WAR's Fencer, or it's extremely underwhelming. Dual wield sets seems to be pulling ahead by quite a bit.

Fencer is extremely underwhelming.