Leviathan.Snakeslice said: »
Oh no! Incoming jinpu nerf as well.
Lol! I seen my Jinpu do 3k+ in Limbus before XD!
Tachi: Shoha
Tachi: Shoha
Lol! I seen my Jinpu do 3k+ in Limbus before XD!
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kenshynofshiva said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Yeah I was TPwing > Fudo, otherwise Shoaha spamming my last couple VW runs that I actually got to play SAM.
The biggest thing about Shoha is its att bonus and consistency. (spikes are higher then fudo as well)
The biggest thing about Shoha is its att bonus and consistency. (spikes are higher then fudo as well)
Tachi: Shoha seems the big winner out of all the new ws added that's for sure Last Stand doesn't seem to suck either lol.
Oh no looks like players are actually crying for a shoha nerf, at times I really hate the idiots that play this game...
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/18604-DEV1064-Tachi-Shoha
My god what a whiny *** that OP is. SAM is my main but I never begged SE to nerf MNK or WAR when they were hammering my damage. I just leveled WHM and continued to gear my SAM as best I could.
I hate the offical forums so much =|
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Oh you know the DEVs will make up something to cover SAM's ***. "The WS needs to be strong so the SC is strong", "We're trying to push SAM's to use different subjobs while still maintaining a high damage output", or the usual: "We *** love SAMs, so shut up".
All kidding aside I could actually see a nerf for SAM with how much people *** on the official forums. lol
All kidding aside I could actually see a nerf for SAM with how much people *** on the official forums. lol
they mad.
Asura.Kaisuko said: »
Oh you know the DEVs will make up something to cover SAM's ***. "The WS needs to be strong so the SC is strong", "We're trying to push SAM's to use different subjobs while still maintaining a high damage output", or the usual: "We *** love SAMs, so shut up".
All kidding aside I could actually see a nerf for SAM with how much people *** on the official forums. lol
All kidding aside I could actually see a nerf for SAM with how much people *** on the official forums. lol
I can understand their point, SAM outside abyssea was always pretty high up the DDing list for best DD. So with content moving away and shoha being so strong I can understand why ppl may bandwagon it again or want a nerf.
Just dont like the way OP went about it, crying to SE on the offical forums seems like a mega douche move. I'm not a fan of the MNK or WAR nerfs either though.
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I laughed when I saw the WS being used in abyssea, showing off what it can do when you triple attack both hits and land them all, they so mad.
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Ragnarok.Nekonarf said: »
I laughed when I saw the WS being used in abyssea, showing off what it can do when you triple attack both hits and land them all, they so mad.
Then I started looking at real numbers. That's when I began to regret making the thread.
Don't kill me. <_<;
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Ragnarok.Nekonarf said: »
I laughed when I saw the WS being used in abyssea, showing off what it can do when you triple attack both hits and land them all, they so mad.
Once I started looking at real numbers, I'm starting to regret making that thread. <_<
It shall eat at your soul for the rest of your days.
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Leviathan.Snakeslice said: »
It shall eat at your soul for the rest of your days.
Despite being a DRKoholic, I actually like seeing WARs and MNKs take the forefront in endgame nowadays, away from how it used to be before Abyssea, when only SAMs reigned supreme. and SE's new direction with nerfing everything just pisses me off, so I guess I did go into the deep end by posting that thread in the first place.
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Leviathan.Snakeslice said: »
It shall eat at your soul for the rest of your days.
Despite being a DRKoholic, I actually like seeing WARs and MNKs take the forefront in endgame nowadays, away from how it used to be before Abyssea, when only SAMs reigned supreme.
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Leviathan.Snakeslice said: »
It shall eat at your soul for the rest of your days.
Despite being a DRKoholic, I actually like seeing WARs and MNKs take the forefront in endgame nowadays, away from how it used to be before Abyssea, when only SAMs reigned supreme.
Really believe that nerf is ***unless they are only shaving off the top. Why don't we just make all wses equal while we are at it so that work you spent on an emp/relic/mythic was for naught.
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Leviathan.Snakeslice said: »
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Leviathan.Snakeslice said: »
It shall eat at your soul for the rest of your days.
Despite being a DRKoholic, I actually like seeing WARs and MNKs take the forefront in endgame nowadays, away from how it used to be before Abyssea, when only SAMs reigned supreme.
Really believe that nerf is ***unless they are only shaving off the top. Why don't we just make all wses equal while we are at it so that work you spent on an emp/relic/mythic was for naught.
Leviathan.Snakeslice said: »
Why don't we just make all wses equal while we are at it so that work you spent on an emp/relic/mythic was for naught.
but Blade: Metsu was really just a fancy Blade: Jin with a now useless aftermath, in Abyssea Blade: Jin beats it badly, Blade: Hi completely destroys it and Blade: Kamu was always ***so nothing new there also Mythic katana is probably the worst Mythic weapon ever lol
Took me two years and a lot of work for my relic katana (mind you this was over a few years ago), took me two months of casual play to make my emp. katana XD
Quetzalcoatl.Makenshi said: »
Leviathan.Snakeslice said: »
Why don't we just make all wses equal while we are at it so that work you spent on an emp/relic/mythic was for naught.
but Blade: Metsu was really just a fancy Blade: Jin with a now useless aftermath, in Abyssea Blade: Jin beats it badly, Blade: Hi completely destroys it and Blade: Kamu was always ***so nothing new there also Mythic katana is probably the worst Mythic weapon ever lol
Took me two years and a lot of work for my relic katana (mind you this was over a few years ago), took me two months of casual play to make my emp. katana XD
What i want to see is those WS PUMPED UP, not everything brought down to the power of something you can just get by skilling up.
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Ragnarok.Nekonarf said: »
I laughed when I saw the WS being used in abyssea, showing off what it can do when you triple attack both hits and land them all, they so mad.
Then I started looking at real numbers. That's when I began to regret making the thread.
Don't kill me. <_<;
I feel bad calling it a douche move now D: Just some of the people on the official forums... They hurt my brain.
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Leviathan.Snakeslice said: »
It shall eat at your soul for the rest of your days.
Despite being a DRKoholic, I actually like seeing WARs and MNKs take the forefront in endgame nowadays, away from how it used to be before Abyssea, when only SAMs reigned supreme. and SE's new direction with nerfing everything just pisses me off, so I guess I did go into the deep end by posting that thread in the first place.
I kind of liked the spot light shinning off SAM also, meant I was not told how I could improve my gear every other day and really gave me a chance to finish/correctly gear WHM.
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inb4 like all the comments!!
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before Abyssea, when only SAMs reigned supreme
I don't bloody get where this mindset always originates.
Warrior was awesome back then, too. Just as much as as samurai. Dark Knight with Apoc was beastly too. Even Dragoon, when well-geared, could do some damage. Monk and Ninja never stopped being awesome, just DOT’ing things to death isn’t as flashy or cool as big weaponskills.
Yes. Bandwagon sam w/ Hagun made up for a multitude of sins and idiocy. But that -- in my opinion -- is a reason for a better player to not play samurai. It's sometimes hard being a diehard on a job where the margin between lolAHsamurai and very-well-geared sam isn't that big.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
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before Abyssea, when only SAMs reigned supreme
I don't bloody get where this mindset always originates.
Warrior was awesome back then, too. Just as much as as samurai. Dark Knight with Apoc was beastly too. Even Dragoon, when well-geared, could do some damage. Monk and Ninja never stopped being awesome, just DOT’ing things to death isn’t as flashy or cool as big weaponskills.
Yes. Bandwagon sam w/ Hagun made up for a multitude of sins and idiocy. But that -- in my opinion -- is a reason for a better player to not play samurai. It's sometimes hard being a diehard on a job where the margin between lolAHsamurai and very-well-geared sam isn't that big.
Agreed. Back in the day, it wasn't that SAM was a *better* melee DD than other similar jobs ... it was that it was less-difficult to acquire equipment to make one's SAM above-average, while it was more-difficult to acquire the stuff to make a WAR or DRK above-average. Just because it was more difficult, doesn't/didn't mean it was impossible to play a mean WAR or DRK ... just had to invest a lot more heavily (and play better) to do it.
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SAM had a lot above other jobs natively as well though, disregarding gear and the player. Was much easier to lower hit builds on SAM, full Meditate made more of a difference, Sekkanoki being SAM only, High % mod on WSs(STR at that), and an attack boost. Then to add gear to it, Hagun's TP bonus essentially could make a naked SAM perform as well as a SAM with Shinsoku fully geared.
While I can't personally say a perfect geared WAR/DRK/DRG/etc couldn't outperform a perfect geared SAM at 75, it was too rare to see, giving SAMs the name of best DD.
While I can't personally say a perfect geared WAR/DRK/DRG/etc couldn't outperform a perfect geared SAM at 75, it was too rare to see, giving SAMs the name of best DD.
Haven't read the thread yet, but this is probably relevant:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27607/dev1063-job-adjustments-warrior/13/#1676567
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27607/dev1063-job-adjustments-warrior/13/#1676567
Asura.Kaisuko said: »
While I can't personally say a perfect geared WAR/DRK/DRG/etc couldn't outperform a perfect geared SAM at 75, it was too rare to see, giving SAMs the name of best DD.
I think it also had some to do with WS mechanics. SAM tended to do far better on higher defense targets due to the ATT bonus that the commonly used WS (for the time at least) have. Their performance was a lot more consistent as you scaled up the target range, especially compared to multi-hit/crit WS.
In addition to Abyssea/Atmas, post-75 additions also brought in a lot more crit enhancement traits and gear. What we see now for "outside Abyssea" performance is not the same as it would have been then.
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Asura.Kaisuko said: »
Then to add gear to it, Hagun's TP bonus essentially could make a naked SAM perform as well as a SAM with Shinsoku fully geared.
This is a HORRIBLE exaggeration. horrible.
Oh gosh, I was looking through the Shoha nerf thread... This is why I don't visit the official forums regularly.
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Bahamut.Aeronis said: »
Oh gosh, I was looking through the Shoha nerf thread... This is why I don't visit the official forums regularly.
Yeah I regret saying that too >_>;
So I didn't know that SAM doesn't use Razed Ruins, but now I do. *shrug* whatever; sorry for the fail.
So I didn't know that SAM doesn't use Razed Ruins, but now I do. *shrug* whatever; sorry for the fail.
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Yeah I regret saying that too >_>;
So I didn't know that SAM doesn't use Razed Ruins, but now I do. *shrug* whatever; sorry for the fail.
So I didn't know that SAM doesn't use Razed Ruins, but now I do. *shrug* whatever; sorry for the fail.
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