None of the proposed WS sets that I've seen have had a significant amount of DA.
My suggested with Kantanotachi would have 19% DA
With this set, the TP bonus is 125. Giving a typical Shoha, before accounting for DA/TA/QA and overflow TP, an ftp of 3.275.
Scenario a will use Gorget+Belt, Scenario b will use Gorget+Windbuffet.
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Some variables:
DA = double attack rate
TA = triple attack rate
QA = quadruple attack rate
f{a} = approximate increase in ftp from DA/TA/QA for scenario a
f{b} = approximate increase in ftp from DA/TA/QA for scenario b
DAfTP = 1 = increase in ftp if a DA were to occur.
TAfTP = 2 = increase in ftp if a TA were to occur.
QAfTP = 3 = increase in ftp if a QA were to occur.
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Accounting for the ftp bonus from equipment:
a = 3.275 + .2 = 3.475
b = 3.275 + .1 = 3.375
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DA:
f{a} = (DA/100)*DAfTP = (19/100)*1 = .19
a = a+(2f{a}) = 3.855
f{b} = (DA*(100-TA)*(100-QA))/100*DAfTP = ((19*.98*.99)/100) * 1 = .184338
b = b+(2f{b}) = 3.743676
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TA:
a = 3.855
f{b} = ((TA*(100-QA))/100)*TAfTP = ((2*.99)/100)*2 = .0396
b = b+(2f{b}) = 3.822876
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QA:
a = 3.855
f{b} = (QA/100)*QAfTP = (1/100)*3 = .03
b = b+(2f{b}) = 3.882876
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Result
a = 3.855 ftp
b = 3.882 ftp
By my estimate, it would require 62% DA before the Windbuffet Belt will diminish the benefit of DA enough to make the Elemental Belt superior. But I may need to double check that.
Edit: beat
Edit2: forgot to sub war
Tachi: Shoha
Tachi: Shoha
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
I think I originally did the math using 15% DA (no Avant legs +1) but I can re-do it with and without; it's a fairly simple calculation.
Assumptions: Moonshade TP Bonus, /WAR. Starting with no overflow.
(average fTP with Windbuffet)/(average fTP with ele belt)
15% DA: (1.56875+1+(3*0.01+2*0.99*0.02+1*0.99*0.98*0.15)*2)/(1.66640625+1+(1*0.15)*2)=1.01099099, or a ~1.1% increase.
17% DA: (1.56875+1+(3*0.01+2*0.99*0.02+1*0.99*0.98*0.17)*2)/(1.66640625+1+(1*0.17)*2)=1.01044827, so a 1.04% increase.
1 hit's worth of overflow is... what, 21 TP? We'll go with 21.
15% DA: (1.7361+1+(3*0.01+2*0.99*0.02+1*0.99*0.98*0.15)*2)/(1.83375625+1+(1*0.15)*2)=1.040405% increase
17% DA: (1.7361+1+(3*0.01+2*0.99*0.02+1*0.99*0.98*0.17)*2)/(1.83375625+1+(1*0.17)*2)=0.989734% increase
Best case for 7% Conserve TP increases ele belt damage by about 0.2%, a bit less with increased DA and overflow. Worth noting that it can't proc in Voidwatch so no chance of reducing your hit build with it, though there is the possibility of ele belt's accuracy being relevant on T6 NMs.
Assumptions: Moonshade TP Bonus, /WAR. Starting with no overflow.
(average fTP with Windbuffet)/(average fTP with ele belt)
15% DA: (1.56875+1+(3*0.01+2*0.99*0.02+1*0.99*0.98*0.15)*2)/(1.66640625+1+(1*0.15)*2)=1.01099099, or a ~1.1% increase.
17% DA: (1.56875+1+(3*0.01+2*0.99*0.02+1*0.99*0.98*0.17)*2)/(1.66640625+1+(1*0.17)*2)=1.01044827, so a 1.04% increase.
1 hit's worth of overflow is... what, 21 TP? We'll go with 21.
15% DA: (1.7361+1+(3*0.01+2*0.99*0.02+1*0.99*0.98*0.15)*2)/(1.83375625+1+(1*0.15)*2)=1.040405% increase
17% DA: (1.7361+1+(3*0.01+2*0.99*0.02+1*0.99*0.98*0.17)*2)/(1.83375625+1+(1*0.17)*2)=0.989734% increase
Best case for 7% Conserve TP increases ele belt damage by about 0.2%, a bit less with increased DA and overflow. Worth noting that it can't proc in Voidwatch so no chance of reducing your hit build with it, though there is the possibility of ele belt's accuracy being relevant on T6 NMs.
headache just from looking at this
Bahamut.Danthebk said: »
None of the proposed WS sets that I've seen have had a significant amount of DA.
My suggested with Kantanotachi would have 9% DA
With this set, the TP bonus is 125. Giving a typical Shoha, before accounting for DA/TA/QA and overflow TP, an ftp of 3.275.
Scenario a will use Gorget+Belt, Scenario b will use Gorget+Windbuffet.
------------------------------------------------------
Some variables:
DA = double attack rate
TA = triple attack rate
QA = quadruple attack rate
f{a} = approximate increase in ftp from DA/TA/QA for scenario a
f{b} = approximate increase in ftp from DA/TA/QA for scenario b
DAfTP = 1 = increase in ftp if a DA were to occur.
TAfTP = 2 = increase in ftp if a TA were to occur.
QAfTP = 3 = increase in ftp if a QA were to occur.
------------------------------------------------------
Accounting for the ftp bonus from equipment:
a = 3.275 + .2 = 3.475
b = 3.275 + .1 = 3.375
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DA:
f{a} = (DA/100)*DAfTP = (9/100)*1 = .09
a = a+(2f{a}) = 3.655
f{b} = (DA*(100-TA)*(100-QA))/100*DAfTP = ((9*.98*.99)/100) * 1 = .087318
b = b+(2f{b}) = 3.549636
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TA:
a = 3.655
f{b} = ((TA*(100-QA))/100)*TAfTP = ((2*.99)/100)*2 = .0396
b = b+(2f{b}) = 3.628836
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QA:
a = 3.655
f{b} = (QA/100)*QAfTP = (1/100)*3 = .03
b = b+(2f{b}) = 3.688836
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Result
a = 3.655 ftp
b = 3.688 ftp
By my estimate, it would require 62% DA before the Windbuffet Belt will diminish the benefit of DA enough to make the Elemental Belt superior. But I may need to double check that.
My suggested with Kantanotachi would have 9% DA
With this set, the TP bonus is 125. Giving a typical Shoha, before accounting for DA/TA/QA and overflow TP, an ftp of 3.275.
Scenario a will use Gorget+Belt, Scenario b will use Gorget+Windbuffet.
------------------------------------------------------
Some variables:
DA = double attack rate
TA = triple attack rate
QA = quadruple attack rate
f{a} = approximate increase in ftp from DA/TA/QA for scenario a
f{b} = approximate increase in ftp from DA/TA/QA for scenario b
DAfTP = 1 = increase in ftp if a DA were to occur.
TAfTP = 2 = increase in ftp if a TA were to occur.
QAfTP = 3 = increase in ftp if a QA were to occur.
------------------------------------------------------
Accounting for the ftp bonus from equipment:
a = 3.275 + .2 = 3.475
b = 3.275 + .1 = 3.375
------------------------------------------------------
DA:
f{a} = (DA/100)*DAfTP = (9/100)*1 = .09
a = a+(2f{a}) = 3.655
f{b} = (DA*(100-TA)*(100-QA))/100*DAfTP = ((9*.98*.99)/100) * 1 = .087318
b = b+(2f{b}) = 3.549636
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TA:
a = 3.655
f{b} = ((TA*(100-QA))/100)*TAfTP = ((2*.99)/100)*2 = .0396
b = b+(2f{b}) = 3.628836
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QA:
a = 3.655
f{b} = (QA/100)*QAfTP = (1/100)*3 = .03
b = b+(2f{b}) = 3.688836
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Result
a = 3.655 ftp
b = 3.688 ftp
By my estimate, it would require 62% DA before the Windbuffet Belt will diminish the benefit of DA enough to make the Elemental Belt superior. But I may need to double check that.
not so much headache looking at this. Will supply my own math later, I'm too busy to even remember what I was thinking about 5 seconds ago atm
as for only 9% DA, why arent you subbing WAR
Suffice to say, at a 1% rate, QA adds 0.04fTP on average. 2% TA adds 0.06 on average. While adding DA/TA is essentially the same as adding fTP, adding DA/TA/QA means less procs of any of the three. I am not, however, taking into account DA/TA/QA being able to proc on both of the natural hits of Shoha, which is probably why I'm getting ele belt results being higher than windbuffet. oops.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
as for only 9% DA, why arent you subbing WAR
GFDI!! I knew I forgot something... I'll fix it...
I know this is a slight necrobump but I'm dusting off my Sam and just to confirm..mekira +1 is still runaway best for headslot?
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I know this is a slight necrobump but I'm dusting off my Sam and just to confirm..mekira +1 is still runaway best for headslot?
Yes.
When the elemental WS skill bonus kicks in, it should be on par with shura+1 with good augments, pulling slightly ahead in low attack situations.
Seeing how easy it is to get Meki+1 compared to Shura+1 & good augments, you won't go wrong with Meki+1 for Shoha.
But pretty much what the above poster said.
Seeing how easy it is to get Meki+1 compared to Shura+1 & good augments, you won't go wrong with Meki+1 for Shoha.
But pretty much what the above poster said.
Breeze Gorget work for Shoha?
Leviathan.Kajii said: »
Breeze Gorget work for Shoha?
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I know this is a slight necrobump but I'm dusting off my Sam and just to confirm..mekira +1 is still runaway best for headslot?
What everyone said, its not a run away. Shura+1 can beat it, but if you are getting the FTP proc from Mekira+1 it wins, if you are not Shura+1 (3% WSdmg) is about the same and sometimes better.
Shura+1 is a luck item with the augments, so for some its a much cheaper option for others its impossible. Ideally you'd have both, I use Shura+1 because I have excellent augments (2mil in) and I craft Mekira gear for gil.
So how much better is a Shura+1 perfectly auged compared to mekira+1?
Makado said: »
So how much better is a Shura+1 perfectly auged compared to mekira+1?
Barely
Shura+1
114
20
230
100
0.85
195.5
2.575
2.25
1909.040625
103%
1966.311844
119%
2339.911094
Mekira+1
114
20
240
100
0.85
204
2.575
2.25
1958.2875
100%
1958.2875
119%
2330.362125
I'm guessing Phorcys is the new ws body for shoha/fudo reso/stardriver? Unless acc is an issue?
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What about Ogier's breeches +20 attack and oncrease ws damage, has anyone parsed it yet to see if the increase is better than avant +1?
a ls mate has both tested both out he says on fodder stuff not that big of a diff if any. but vs t6 vwnms with his masa he says its a good chunk about 200-300 difference in damage.
i havent done testing myself since these god forsaken legs dont wanna drop to me >< but once i get em will test it out for sure
i havent done testing myself since these god forsaken legs dont wanna drop to me >< but once i get em will test it out for sure
Carbuncle.Crollion said: »
a ls mate has both tested both out he says on fodder stuff not that big of a diff if any. but vs t6 vwnms with his masa he says its a good chunk about 200-300 difference in damage. i havent done testing myself since these god forsaken legs dont wanna drop to me >< but once i get em will test it out for sure
No way its 200-300 he's eyeballing it. The ACC will make a difference for the 2nd hit/DAs etc but 3% dadmage vs 8str 2da isn't a 200-300 difference on anything.
Sorry to ask this question but i saw several sets with different gorgets.
Is shoha light/shadow/breeze gorget? maybe got answered but just read 5 pages backwards.
Thanks!
Is shoha light/shadow/breeze gorget? maybe got answered but just read 5 pages backwards.
Thanks!
thunder/breeze/shadow iirc
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Fulad-Zereh
lvl 97
DEF:67 STR+15 DEX+15
Accuracy+15 Attack+15
Evasion-15 "Double Attack"+3%
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, NIN
new best Shoha body?
lvl 97
DEF:67 STR+15 DEX+15
Accuracy+15 Attack+15
Evasion-15 "Double Attack"+3%
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, NIN
new best Shoha body?
Chyula said: »
Fulad-Zereh
lvl 97
DEF:67 STR+15 DEX+15
Accuracy+15 Attack+15
Evasion-15 "Double Attack"+3%
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, NIN
new best Shoha body?
lvl 97
DEF:67 STR+15 DEX+15
Accuracy+15 Attack+15
Evasion-15 "Double Attack"+3%
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, NIN
new best Shoha body?
no.
Why not?
If Avant+1 is just barely behind Ace's shouldn't this body should put Ace's behind?
Edit: Though if we're talking about actual best and not realistic, there's Phorcy's.
If Avant+1 is just barely behind Ace's shouldn't this body should put Ace's behind?
Edit: Though if we're talking about actual best and not realistic, there's Phorcy's.
Because Phorcys Korazin from Nyzul isle probably...
Asura.Kaisuko said: »
Why not?
If Avant+1 is just barely behind Ace's shouldn't this body should put Ace's behind?
Edit: Though if we're talking about actual best and not realistic, there's Phorcy's.
If Avant+1 is just barely behind Ace's shouldn't this body should put Ace's behind?
Edit: Though if we're talking about actual best and not realistic, there's Phorcy's.
Its not so bad, especially with the update to it allowing to pick a piece after a floor 100 win. It was thought impossible but its been done and not too bad with the correct set up.
Edit: If the floor jumps dont shaft you on every turn >.>
This will beat Ace's as its 3 STR vs 1/2ish att, 3acc 3% DA
Asura.Kaisuko said: »
Why not?
If Avant+1 is just barely behind Ace's shouldn't this body should put Ace's behind?
Edit: Though if we're talking about actual best and not realistic, there's Phorcy's.
If Avant+1 is just barely behind Ace's shouldn't this body should put Ace's behind?
Edit: Though if we're talking about actual best and not realistic, there's Phorcy's.
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Eh, I didn't think of that. >.> It's too new, don't judge me!
Just wanted to pop in and say SAM augmented relic body is unaffected by the Save TP nerf.
WS'd multiple times to make sure it wasn't just Conserve TP and I got the same TP return every time. One thing I noticed was I got 0 TP return after a missed Tachi: Fudo so I guess the body doesn't follow the expected new rules of Save TP at all.
Edit: Tested it in VW. The Save TP is added to Miser's/Discipline for a total of 50 Save TP. Miss results in 45 Save TP.
WS'd multiple times to make sure it wasn't just Conserve TP and I got the same TP return every time. One thing I noticed was I got 0 TP return after a missed Tachi: Fudo so I guess the body doesn't follow the expected new rules of Save TP at all.
Edit: Tested it in VW. The Save TP is added to Miser's/Discipline for a total of 50 Save TP. Miss results in 45 Save TP.
What Moonshade augments to get for Masa/Shoha SAM?
Would also like to use it for Kannagi NIN if the augment would benefit both...
Would also like to use it for Kannagi NIN if the augment would benefit both...
I had a couple questions I can't really figure out what's better as I progress toward the best gear options.
So My questions are based on this set:
1) Is thunder belt better than beir?
2) After I get thunder gorget is the answer to 1 still true?
So My questions are based on this set:
1) Is thunder belt better than beir?
2) After I get thunder gorget is the answer to 1 still true?
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