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By Artemicion 2011-12-15 03:34:41
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If they made books about the stories I would read them... they should do that :(
Oh god yes :( I would love to know a lot more about characters and their life before the game, I know it seems like IX is towards the bottom of every list of favorite FF's, but I can never get enough of that game :<
:(! IX is one of my favorite ; ;

Ditto.
It really was a compelling story with the best use of allusions and elements of their previous games in both gameplay and the story itself.
Sticking true to their roots to say the least.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-12-15 03:35:27
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http://dilly-shilly.blogspot.com/2009/10/final-fantasy-xiii-episode-zero.html

Here you go.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-15 03:35:42
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Artemicion said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
If they made books about the stories I would read them... they should do that :(
Oh god yes :( I would love to know a lot more about characters and their life before the game, I know it seems like IX is towards the bottom of every list of favorite FF's, but I can never get enough of that game :<
:(! IX is one of my favorite ; ;

Ditto.
It really was a compelling story with the best use of allusions and elements of their previous games in both gameplay and the story itself.
Sticking true to their roots to say the least.
Very much so, loved every bit of it.
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By Asura.Kowen 2011-12-15 03:35:48
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You know, despite my gripes with the FF franchise as of late, the soundtracks have always been relatively well done and beautiful.

This however is the first real chain of sanctity broken.
RIP Square-Enix.
24 years was a good run.

Did you even listen to any of XIII-2's other music? It's fantastic. (rap and metal songs aside, of course...)

I'm not the slightest bit interested in getting the game, but I think the soundtrack is one of the best in the series.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Crystalchan 2011-12-15 03:36:39
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I can't agree with that at all, if you followed 13, read the Chapter Novels. You'd see it's something they haven't done with other games.

There's a ton of story to 13 if you choose to read it. So much story, that it's now a 2nd game. A massive game.
X-2 was a second game, doesn't mean it was any good D:
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-15 03:37:23
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That is the actual XIII story?

I don't wan't to look into it because I would like to not spoil anything but if it is I'll bookmark it for later.
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By Artemicion 2011-12-15 03:37:59
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Artemicion said: »
You know, despite my gripes with the FF franchise as of late, the soundtracks have always been relatively well done and beautiful.

This however is the first real chain of sanctity broken.
RIP Square-Enix.
24 years was a good run.

Did you even listen to any of XIII-2's other music? It's fantastic. (rap and metal songs aside, of course...)

I'm not the slightest bit interested in getting the game, but I think the soundtrack is one of the best in the series.

I think my point of view has long since been tarnished.
But I will take back one thing...
The soundtracks have been tainted well before XIII-2.
Coincidence or correlation? They're both from sequels.



Burlesque chocobo ftl.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-15 03:38:52
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You know, despite my gripes with the FF franchise as of late, the soundtracks have always been relatively well done and beautiful.

This however is the first real chain of sanctity broken.
RIP Square-Enix.
24 years was a good run.

Did you even listen to any of XIII-2's other music? It's fantastic. (rap and metal songs aside, of course...)

I'm not the slightest bit interested in getting the game, but I think the soundtrack is one of the best in the series.
I don't question they are stepping up the quality of their music, I loved XII's music very much and may actually have some of the best pieces in any FF that I enjoyed.

The story however, started off okay but they didn't follow through with it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Crystalchan 2011-12-15 03:40:27
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
If they made books about the stories I would read them... they should do that :(
Oh god yes :( I would love to know a lot more about characters and their life before the game, I know it seems like IX is towards the bottom of every list of favorite FF's, but I can never get enough of that game :<
:(! IX is one of my favorite ; ;

Ditto.
It really was a compelling story with the best use of allusions and elements of their previous games in both gameplay and the story itself.
Sticking true to their roots to say the least.
Very much so, loved every bit of it.
It always seemed like IX was underrated in so many rankings I've looked at, made me a little sad. :< Though I might favorite it more because it was my first FF game, it was so fun, mystifying and I had a connection/feeling for all the other characters and it wasn't all shoved down my throat like it felt in 13. D:
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-12-15 03:40:34
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
That is the actual XIII story?

I don't wan't to look into it because I would like to not spoil anything but if it is I'll bookmark it for later.

Yes, it's actual 13 Story.

It's not essentially spoilers, it was recommended I read it before I played 13 and to be honest it made me love 13 even more when I did play it.

Encounter, Stranger, Treasure(Family) are the ones I read. They dive into the lives of the characters before the events of 13. Really great release that they did something like this.
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By Artemicion 2011-12-15 03:42:45
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I noticed something strange though.
It seems SE kinda went based on their own judgment and expanded upon FF13 extensively with pre-production of a sequel, versus and even that novel of sorts there.

It's risky to expand upon what is unknown in terms of reception and success. We'll see how it pans out.

At least their milking bandwagon of FF7 was justified with the success of 7 on it's own accord.
Luckily we have the luxury of acknowledging things like Dirge of Cerberus, and even X-2 as stand alone atrocities rather than reflections of what they were built from.
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By Asura.Kowen 2011-12-15 03:44:10
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Well, I can't argue with you about that song... X-2's music was from a different composer and completely different style than X's (I still thought it had some great tracks, though). However XIII-2's music is, for the most part, really similar to XIII's.

The metal chocobo theme also thankfully only plays at one part of the game, as far as I know. This is the main version:

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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-15 03:44:28
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Artemicion said: »
I noticed something strange though.
It seems SE kinda went based on their own judgment and expanded upon FF13 extensively with pre-production of a sequel, versus and even that novel of sorts there.

It's risky to expand upon what is unknown in terms of reception and success. We'll see how it pans out.

At least their milking bandwagon of FF7 was justified with the success of 7 on it's own accord.
Luckily we have the luxury of acknowledging things like Dirge of Cerberus, and even X-2 as stand alone atrocities rather than reflections of what they were built from.
I personally haven't played any spinoffs/sidestories w/e of 7.

I liked 7 the way it was really and am scared to look into other parts of it. I did watch the movie though, wasn't horrible but I felt it lacked a lot, not sure.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-12-15 03:44:50
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This game goes much more in depth than a lot of FF games. It has story and mythology that binds 13 not just to 13-2 but to other games in the FF series.

This isn't a massive spoilar, this is one of the mythology writings.

Fabula Nova Crystallis Mythology
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By Artemicion 2011-12-15 03:46:39
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I'm not bashing the game on the grounds of an awful track by itself.
It's just really a "WTF SQUEENIX" kinda moment here.

Though I will say the rest of the soundtrack sounds rather promising.
I've jest for far too long. We'll have to wait and see for ourselves before any real judgment can be made.

I try not to let 2 minute trailers, random singles, or anal retentive game critics cloud my judgment on what I find legitimate or enjoyable.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-15 03:47:41
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Well, I can't argue with you about that song... X-2's music was from a different composer and completely different style than X's (I still thought it had some great tracks, though). However XIII-2's music is, for the most part, really similar to XIII's.

The metal chocobo theme also thankfully only plays at one part of the game, as far as I know. This is the main version:

I can get use to that, glad the OP isn't the main theme.

Still is a bit quirky though and not in a good chocobo way imo. I could get use to it though I guess.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2011-12-15 03:48:28
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my favorite FF composition, it speaks to me.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-15 03:49:13
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Shiva.Schatzie said: »
my favorite FF composition, it speaks to me.
First 3 seconds...

piano


Yup I love it!
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By Artemicion 2011-12-15 03:49:36
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Artemicion said: »
I noticed something strange though.
It seems SE kinda went based on their own judgment and expanded upon FF13 extensively with pre-production of a sequel, versus and even that novel of sorts there.

It's risky to expand upon what is unknown in terms of reception and success. We'll see how it pans out.

At least their milking bandwagon of FF7 was justified with the success of 7 on it's own accord.
Luckily we have the luxury of acknowledging things like Dirge of Cerberus, and even X-2 as stand alone atrocities rather than reflections of what they were built from.
I personally haven't played any spinoffs/sidestories w/e of 7.

I liked 7 the way it was really and am scared to look into other parts of it. I did watch the movie though, wasn't horrible but I felt it lacked a lot, not sure.

Of the ridiculous expansion from FF7, I'd say the only good things that came from it were the movie and Crisis Core.
If you like Anime, it might be worth checking out Last Order.
Part of me felt they made things needlessly more complex than they had to, but the other part of me relished the touched up holes in the story that were left unanswered for a long time and often left to your imagination.
But sometimes that's a good thing...
Sometimes self reflection and triggered imagination is what seals the deal for an epic. Kinda like the ending of Apocalypse Now.
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By Artemicion 2011-12-15 03:50:30
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my favorite FF composition, it speaks to me.

That also is one of my favorite tracks.
Too bad it was the biggest bait and switch ever pulled by Square xD

Such blissful, harmonious, beautiful melody. This track would only befit a tale of equal elegance and captivation...

Nope. Charlie's Angels.

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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-15 03:54:04
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Artemicion said: »
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my favorite FF composition, it speaks to me.

That also is one of my favorite tracks.
Too bad it was the biggest bait and switch ever pulled by Square xD

Such blissful, harmonious, beautiful melody. This track would only befit a tale of equal elegance and captivation...

Nope. Charlie's Angels.
spot on lol
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2011-12-15 03:54:58
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Artemicion said: »
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
my favorite FF composition, it speaks to me.

That also is one of my favorite tracks.
Too bad it was the biggest bait and switch ever pulled by Square xD

Such blissful, harmonious, beautiful melody. This track would only befit a tale of equal elegance and captivation...

Nope. Charlie's Angels.

shockingly, i played, and enjoyed, FFX-2 before FFX; at first finding tidus to be an immature ***. looking back, i wonder what made me like it, being 13, and seeing half naked pixel girls on my tv...
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-12-15 03:56:21
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Final Fantasy 7 did have a lot of spin offs, but a lot of really good spin offs.

Before Crisis
Crisis Core
Last Order
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus
Final Fantasy Advent Children

All really, really great. Milked? I'd say just a great story told well.

It's not like it's Dead or Alive 4 ->> Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball.
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By Asura.Kowen 2011-12-15 03:58:47
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Still is a bit quirky though and not in a good chocobo way imo. I could get use to it though I guess.

I can see someone arguing that the music is too experimental and doesn't really fit the rest of the FF franchise, but by itself as an album I think it's great.

It's still crazy to me that these were composed by the same guy that did XI's music.
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By Artemicion 2011-12-15 03:59:52
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Final Fantasy 7 did have a lot of spin offs, but a lot of really good spin offs.

Before Crisis
Crisis Core
Last Order
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus
Final Fantasy Advent Children

All really, really great. Milked? I'd say just a great story told well.

It's not like it's Dead or Alive 4 ->> Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball.

Yeah, most were good, but some dangerously danced along the thin line of being a cheesy, irrelevant and self-glorified spinoff elevated only by the name of it's predecessor.

Also, who is any hetero male to argue jiggly ***, sunbathing and beach volleyball?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-15 04:01:25
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Still is a bit quirky though and not in a good chocobo way imo. I could get use to it though I guess.

I can see someone arguing that the music is too experimental and doesn't really fit the rest of the FF franchise, but by itself as an album I think it's great.

It's still crazy to me that these were composed by the same guy that did XI's music.
It's more like...

How does this fit the other chocobo music.

Really why it makes me sad a little.
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Kingdom Hearts music is by far some of my favorite, and the story is beautiful, and takes you back to when you were a kid. That is why I love the games (I haven't played the handheld versions, really only 1 & 2).

It really makes me emotional thinking about the story. I can't say that for any other FF game really.
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By Artemicion 2011-12-15 04:05:15
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I guess that's one of the things I've admired about Square for so long.
They were able to take something entirely original from it's very origins, and expand upon it in a unique and captivating manner that was an "evolution" of sorts, yet ultimately remained the same piece of work. It was the most impressive work of creativity and subtlety combined with innovation and progression.
This applied to both music and story too. But now it seems, or rather feels like they have broken the mold, gone off on their own branch to make something that doesn't feel like Final Fantasy anymore.
Not to say that's a bad thing, but it's rather deceiving when it keeps it's name.

If FF13 wasn't called Final Fantasy XIII, I probably wouldn't hate it so much.
But it just feels too much like a faux pas to be in the lineup of the FF franchise.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-15 04:06:55
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In particular, that song Dearly Beloved, is so simple yet so elegant and perfect it brings out so much emotion with the simple touch of the keys.
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By Asura.Kowen 2011-12-15 04:14:54
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But now it seems, or rather feels like they have broken the mold, gone off on their own branch to make something that doesn't feel like Final Fantasy anymore.

I agree, but I also think what "feels like Final Fantasy" can be chalked up to nostalgia too. The main things that bugged me about XIII were the linearity and the anime-ish melodrama. But going back and replaying older FFs I've found that they're really not all that different, it's just that as I grew up my tastes gradually changed.

It's also probably more noticeable now because there's so much more development time in between new entries to the series.
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