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 Ragnarok.Xenophire
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By Ragnarok.Xenophire 2011-12-14 00:03:52
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
I think he was referring to the idea that haste takes time to proc. Frankly, I'm not sure how the person who originally said that believed it either.
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/14613/haste-takes-time-to-proc/1/#878233

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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-14 00:05:28
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
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What arguement? You all are the ones arguing, i made a hypothetical comment and u all took it way too serious.

It... wasn't hypothetical at all. Saying you won't be happy if the weaponskills were better than Relic/Mythic/Emp because Relics/Mythics/Maybe Emps are hard to get is not a hypothesis. It's whining about something that makes no sense.
I would agree with Zangada on the point that something easy should not replace something that is harder to obtain (although the same logic would go for a level 55-60 WS replacing a merit ws, one is obviously easier than the other).

The problem with that logic is SE didn't design the game with that logic, and everything is just random and screwed up for many relic/empy/mythics that that logic can't work and you can only say that for every other case or less.

I don't think you guys should be fighting with him about what he said even if it isn't right.
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By Eugene 2011-12-14 00:06:43
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Ragnarok.Xenophire said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
I think he was referring to the idea that haste takes time to proc. Frankly, I'm not sure how the person who originally said that believed it either.
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/14613/haste-takes-time-to-proc/1/#878233

There you go~
Yeah i knew the thread, not the rationale. But thanks lol
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By Ragnarok.Xenophire 2011-12-14 00:08:24
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Yeah, I wasn't too sure why the screenshot was so small. :/
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2011-12-14 00:08:27
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
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What arguement? You all are the ones arguing, i made a hypothetical comment and u all took it way too serious.

It... wasn't hypothetical at all. Saying you won't be happy if the weaponskills were better than Relic/Mythic/Emp because Relics/Mythics/Maybe Emps are hard to get is not a hypothesis. It's whining about something that makes no sense.

Do u have access to the ws cause i dont. Thats exctally what it is.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 00:09:30
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
What arguement? You all are the ones arguing, i made a hypothetical comment and u all took it way too serious.

It... wasn't hypothetical at all. Saying you won't be happy if the weaponskills were better than Relic/Mythic/Emp because Relics/Mythics/Maybe Emps are hard to get is not a hypothesis. It's whining about something that makes no sense.

Do u have access to the ws cause i dont. Thats exctally what it is.

What are you talking about? Information for these weaponskills has been available for a long time now. There's nothing hypothetical about it.
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By Fenrir.Niniann 2011-12-14 00:09:52
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.... Test Server....?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-14 00:10:22
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
I would agree with Zangada on the point that something easy should not replace something that is harder to obtain (although the same logic would go for a level 55-60 WS replacing a merit ws, one is obviously easier than the other).
Again, it's a matter of scarcity. There are people out there with 4+ relics/empyreans, but nobody will ever have more than 3 of these WS at their full potential at any given time. Also again, if it's that much of an issue they should buff relic/emp ws instead of nerfing these below level 60 ws potential.

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I don't think you guys should be fighting with him about what he said even if it isn't right.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 00:11:21
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And for the record yes, I do have access to these merit weaponskills and every empyrean weaponskill as well as all Mythics and a majority of relic weaponskills, even if they are not attached to the relic weapons. Wanna fight about it?
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2011-12-14 00:12:29
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I know I commented how Realmrazer was broken, but nerfing it down to hexa strike level is really stupid. That is probably as worse as 2004 ranged attack nerf.
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By Asura.Tawhoya 2011-12-14 00:12:32
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Ah, well not the point really. You can likely see why I used it as an example.

"Haste takes time to proc" would be something that would have taken Einstein decades to decode. I dare not tread in those waters.

Haste DOES take time to proc
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-14 00:16:12
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Anyways

It's been said before but I really think they shouldn't waste these WS's right now.

A lot of them look amazing and whoever made it took a lot of time to make them. Really sucks that they are all going to be pointless now.


Even makes me mad that they are wasting resources, time, and money making these updates then making them useless when that money and time could have been put into something that would benefit the game.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-12-14 00:18:44
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Specialization is my issue. Sure, more jobs can use these weapon skills but you are limited to 3 of them. This is the main thing. You can't just get them all, you have to choose what to be best with.

I understand if they don't want to make all the new ws badass damage onry ws but giving them a use would be nice.

When I heard the basis of these weaponskills I instantly thought to myself. Holy ***, these are going to be awesome because you won't be able to have them all. It'll be the Rajas ring of weaponskills!

As always, disappointment... At least I can still be best at all jobs right?!
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-14 00:19:50
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
The update as a whole is largely useless. The only parts we'll really benefit from will be having more Voidwatch Nms to spam over and over and over to get no drops from while *** McFuckface Only Shows To One Raid A Year gets 3 bodies a night and decreased level correction penalties/higher atk+def from being lv 99 with higher skill caps.

Anything else would be minor little corrections and changes that constitute a hotfix in normal MMOs.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 00:20:36
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Specialization is my issue. Sure, more jobs can use these weapon skills but you are limited to 3 of them. This is the main thing. You can't just get them all, you have to choose what to be best with.

I understand if they don't want to make all the new ws badass damage onry ws but giving them a use would be nice.

When I heard the basis of these weaponskills I instantly thought to myself. Holy ***, these are going to be awesome because you won't be able to have them all. It'll be the Rajas ring of weaponskills!

As always, disappointment... At least I can still be best at all jobs right?!

Well they made it pretty *** easy by only making 3 of them actually worth meriting!



Also not sure why I said higher DEF from higher skill caps. Think I need a shot.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-14 00:22:51
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Specialization is my issue. Sure, more jobs can use these weapon skills but you are limited to 3 of them. This is the main thing. You can't just get them all, you have to choose what to be best with.

I understand if they don't want to make all the new ws badass damage onry ws but giving them a use would be nice.

When I heard the basis of these weaponskills I instantly thought to myself. Holy ***, these are going to be awesome because you won't be able to have them all. It'll be the Rajas ring of weaponskills!

As always, disappointment... At least I can still be best at all jobs right?!
I don't know about others, but when I finished CoP I only had WHM, and nothing close to being a 2nd job (not until 2009'ish did I start SAM).

I picked Rajas because:
  1. Melee WHM is badass fun

  2. If I ever did level a melee job I sure would want that more than a silly mage ring


I know, random comment.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2011-12-14 00:23:35
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
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What arguement? You all are the ones arguing, i made a hypothetical comment and u all took it way too serious.

It... wasn't hypothetical at all. Saying you won't be happy if the weaponskills were better than Relic/Mythic/Emp because Relics/Mythics/Maybe Emps are hard to get is not a hypothesis. It's whining about something that makes no sense.

Do u have access to the ws cause i dont. Thats exctally what it is.

What are you talking about? Information for these weaponskills has been available for a long time now. There's nothing hypothetical about it.

I dont keep up on everything new, i dont care that much to make sure im informed on everything there is. If u want to make a big deal and critcize on every uninformed person thats thats ur own personal problem.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2011-12-14 00:24:48
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i'm just praying that SE has some kind of grand scheme behind this.
something somewhere deep down i'm hoping that they will do something like this: (theory)

start with base ws (what we get now)
in the future add t2 merits to them, upgraded via even moar merits.

allow upgrades in different catagories:

weaponskill dmg

weaponskill accuracy

weaponskill add effect

weaponskill ???


or something along those lines. it would make much more sense if thats what they are thinking of doing. they would be making the "base" weaponskills equivalent to what we get access to with our natural skill levels. and allow us to buff them even further eventually down the road to comparable dmg to that of emp/relic/mythic.

again this is just me grasping for straws really. i doubt it's going to happen. but....atonement? really SE? stillmad.jpg :(
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By Fenrir.Niniann 2011-12-14 00:24:56
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
I dont keep up on everything new, i dont care that much to make sure im informed on everything there is. If u want to make a big deal and critcize on every uninformed person thats thats ur own personal problem.

Don't make condescending remarks when you don't know what you're talking about?
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-12-14 00:25:00
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
I don't know about others, but when I finished CoP I only had WHM, and nothing close to being a 2nd job (not until 2009'ish did I start SAM).

I picked Rajas because:
  1. Melee WHM is badass fun

  2. If I ever did level a melee job I sure would want that more than a silly mage ring


I know, random comment.
I realize that SE screwed all semblance of balance out of it but that is the purpose of limiting choices. The reason rajas is so powerful is that you are limited by specialization. Granted the other choices aren't viable for much of anything anymore.
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By Fenrir.Niniann 2011-12-14 00:28:03
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Rajas was always the best ring. I had Tamas for a while when I had 0 melee jobs and never whacked stuff on WHM. I was also dirt poor.

I leveled DNC and got another ring. :c
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 00:29:02
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I committed a horrible sin and chose Sattva the first time, so you're fine.

Fortunately I saw the Light of Rajas quickly and changed it within a week.

Edit: Actually that's a blatant lie, when I got my ring you couldn't change them yet. *** ***I was an ***.
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2011-12-14 00:30:02
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Then why don't they pack them into 1 update? Especially damage upgrade.
That's like "let's add the 2nd and 3rd pDIF randomizer on critical hit" plan. Why not just change the whole thing in 1 sweep.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-14 00:30:11
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I need to bump that thread about them upgrading CoP rings to level 99...

Camate said something about that and never got back to us :| sneaky moogle
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 00:31:17
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Rajas Ring R/EX
STR+1~10 DEX+1~10
"Store TP" +5~10
"Subtle Blow" +5~10
Level 99: Adds "Regain" effect (0.5/tic)

Lv.30 All Jobs
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