Upheaval Thoughts
Upheaval thoughts
Shameless bump regarding elemental gorgets/belts instead of VIT/STR on those slots. :3
Quetzalcoatl.Seveth said: »
Lakshmi.Eyrhika said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Seveth said: »
What I will be using once I get +2 legs? Still kinda torn between apathy forget or fortitude torque
I suspect the Ares body will do ya better than Twilight, if you have it or don't mind busting out some salvages. If you work for coins you can pull 50-100 alex on an average run and make some cash while doing it.
I've only done salvage like 3 times ever and barely have time as it is to play. Damn you Xmas! But if I get the time I may. I'll have to research some things as well.
Ill tell you this some days you like it others youll dread it, it took me 2 years to complete Ares Set
Leviathan.Jekyll said: »
Shameless bump regarding elemental gorgets/belts instead of VIT/STR on those slots. :3
Quetzalcoatl.Seveth said: »
Leviathan.Jekyll said: »
Shameless bump regarding elemental gorgets/belts instead of VIT/STR on those slots. :3
Apathy Gorget and an Auged Warwolf belt are all that come to mind.
Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Seveth said: »
Leviathan.Jekyll said: »
Shameless bump regarding elemental gorgets/belts instead of VIT/STR on those slots. :3
Apathy Gorget and an Auged Warwolf belt are all that come to mind.
Can you get VIT or STR on Warwolf?
Just atk acc or haste on warwolf.
Str: 100+48
Vit: 95+60
Guessed base stats, but I assume they are close
Assuming fstr not capped (90 ukon w/ above set w/ ares):
apathy
(131+15+(95+69)*.85)*1*2.2*4=2511.52
gorget
(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2+(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1*2.2*3=2505.305
Warwolf:
(131+16+(95+65)*.85)*1*2.2*4=2490.4
Belt
(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2+(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1*2.2*3=2505.305
Also, I assume tp bonus moonshade beats centarus
Vit: 95+60
Guessed base stats, but I assume they are close
Assuming fstr not capped (90 ukon w/ above set w/ ares):
apathy
(131+15+(95+69)*.85)*1*2.2*4=2511.52
gorget
(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2+(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1*2.2*3=2505.305
Warwolf:
(131+16+(95+65)*.85)*1*2.2*4=2490.4
Belt
(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2+(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1*2.2*3=2505.305
Also, I assume tp bonus moonshade beats centarus
(if this is one of the WSs that the ele belt/gorget apply to all hits above math is wrong, but I dont see anything listed on wiki) da will favor warwolf/apathy so warwolf might pull ahead when its not base case napkin math. Will do later.
friend says he think upheaval ftp carries over so new math w/ da:
apathy
(131+15+(95+69)*.85)*1*2.2*4+(131+15+(95+69)*.85)*1*2.2*4*.3=3 264.976
gorget
(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2*4+(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2*3*.3=3 293.5595
Warwolf:
(131+16+(95+65)*.85)*1*2.2*4+(131+16+(95+65)*.85)*1*2.2*4*.3=3 237.52
Belt
(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2*4+(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2*3*.3=3 293.5595
if ftp carries over belt/gorget, if not apathy/warwolf. so if someone an confirm/deny that can have definative answer.
apathy
(131+15+(95+69)*.85)*1*2.2*4+(131+15+(95+69)*.85)*1*2.2*4*.3=3 264.976
gorget
(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2*4+(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2*3*.3=3 293.5595
Warwolf:
(131+16+(95+65)*.85)*1*2.2*4+(131+16+(95+65)*.85)*1*2.2*4*.3=3 237.52
Belt
(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2*4+(131+15+(95+60)*.85)*1.1*2.2*3*.3=3 293.5595
if ftp carries over belt/gorget, if not apathy/warwolf. so if someone an confirm/deny that can have definative answer.
Leviathan.Jekyll said: »
Shameless bump regarding elemental gorgets/belts instead of VIT/STR on those slots. :3
how is the ws dmg working for you over relic ws? are you 5/5 yet?
It does generally outperform Metatron Torment if that is what you're asking. (Yes I'm 5/5) The reason I also asked about the gorget/belt in this forum was the above listed by Sawtelle, if the ftp carries over into all the hits I imagined it would outperform Apathy and Warwolf, but I've also found no information about it.
If you wanted to do the testing I could try to set it up for you. I sold my war so I can't do it myself.
Tell me how, I'd be more than happy to.
First need to get tp return for 1 hit of your ws (pref w/o any stp) then w/o stp each extra hit will add 1tp return (so you will know which value to compare to), then I(or if you can math you) can calculate how much your max damage would be fighting some mob w/ known stats (greater colibri for example) if ftp doesn't apply to all hits. Then its the boring process of WSing till you get a # higher than max, or you get a large enough sample size so say it likely doesn't apply to all hits.
If you post your base dmg(I assume 95 bravura)/str/vit/attack while naked and a gear set using belt/gorget, i'll do the colibri numbers for you when I wake up.
My bro Taint ran the numbers said Apathy/Warwolf wins.
can you ask him if/where the testing was if ftp applied to all hits? didn't see it on the BG thread.
This is what I'm currently using along w/ the belt and gorget you requested on it, I'll get you my base stat info by morning, doing other things on other jobs in game currently.
I thought people said that Twilight mathed out better than empy head +2?
Lakshmi.Eyrhika said: »
I thought people said that Twilight mathed out better than empy head +2?
Does it? I do own that piece as well and could swap it out.
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/FTP :
For 1H and 2H Melee Weapons Skills Hits after the first (be it from double attack, triple attack or WSs that naturally hit more than once), all have an fTP of 1.0. Only the first hit is modified in "Damage varies with TP" Weaponskills.
iirc, Upheaval is Damage varies with TP? (unless i misunderstood the previous posts which is totally possible..)
Edit: said understood when i meant misunderstood. <.<
For 1H and 2H Melee Weapons Skills Hits after the first (be it from double attack, triple attack or WSs that naturally hit more than once), all have an fTP of 1.0. Only the first hit is modified in "Damage varies with TP" Weaponskills.
iirc, Upheaval is Damage varies with TP? (unless i misunderstood the previous posts which is totally possible..)
Edit: said understood when i meant misunderstood. <.<
A lot of the new ws, Jishnu's Radiance, and blue magic spells carry the ftp of the initial hit through all extra hits in the ws.
Leviathan.Jekyll said: »
This is what I'm currently using along w/ the belt and gorget you requested on it, I'll get you my base stat info by morning, doing other things on other jobs in game currently.
Base STR: 96, VIT: 83, Attck: 309 - this is while naked. If you need anything else let me know!
Math (if anyone wants to double check it)
I was tired last night and could have just asked for stats in set :/ You should have 418~419 attack in ws set. If not let me know.
The test: WS greater colibri at 300tp. Look at tp for number of landed hits. Compare dmg to below number. If less than the first value: ftp doesn’t apply to all hits. If above the second value: ftp applies to all hits. If between the two: WS again.
2hits: 1,228|1,671
3hits: 1,843|2,194
4hits: 2,457|2,716
5hits: 2,792|3,239
I was tired last night and could have just asked for stats in set :/ You should have 418~419 attack in ws set. If not let me know.
The test: WS greater colibri at 300tp. Look at tp for number of landed hits. Compare dmg to below number. If less than the first value: ftp doesn’t apply to all hits. If above the second value: ftp applies to all hits. If between the two: WS again.
2hits: 1,228|1,671
3hits: 1,843|2,194
4hits: 2,457|2,716
5hits: 2,792|3,239
Upheaval is 4 hits, does that mess up your math or can I just ignore the 5 hit portion?
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I’m not sure how da applies if ftp is carried, I assume it doesn’t in the given numbers, even if it is carried, the results should hold due to how test is set up.
Was in the math spolier, the 5 hit numbers are for 4/4 landed hits+ a double attack. Gave numbers for 2-5hits so you would likely have comparison numbers for WSs and would have to do as few WSs as possible.
edit: Also, you only need to get 1 result. If your first WS 3hits land and the dmg is above/below said value, you are done. dont need to keep going to get results for 2/4/5 hits.
found this on bg thread:
"Well, I guess we must stop this "non-", "all" usage.
Entropy, Resolution, and Stardiver are the only 3 melee WS that Gobli said they suspected where 1st hit fTP goes to subsequent hits."
Haven't found anyone actually mention upheaval though (on bg, I cant read jp so cant tell if golbi did testing.)
"Well, I guess we must stop this "non-", "all" usage.
Entropy, Resolution, and Stardiver are the only 3 melee WS that Gobli said they suspected where 1st hit fTP goes to subsequent hits."
Haven't found anyone actually mention upheaval though (on bg, I cant read jp so cant tell if golbi did testing.)
Leviathan.Jekyll said: »
Base STR: 96, VIT: 83, Attck: 309 - this is while naked. If you need anything else let me know!
Pics?
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Math (if anyone wants to double check it)
I was tired last night and could have just asked for stats in set :/ You should have 418~419 attack in ws set. If not let me know.
The test: WS greater colibri at 300tp. Look at tp for number of landed hits. Compare dmg to below number. If less than the first value: ftp doesn’t apply to all hits. If above the second value: ftp applies to all hits. If between the two: WS again.
2hits: 1,228|1,671
3hits: 1,843|2,194
4hits: 2,457|2,716
5hits: 2,792|3,239
I was tired last night and could have just asked for stats in set :/ You should have 418~419 attack in ws set. If not let me know.
The test: WS greater colibri at 300tp. Look at tp for number of landed hits. Compare dmg to below number. If less than the first value: ftp doesn’t apply to all hits. If above the second value: ftp applies to all hits. If between the two: WS again.
2hits: 1,228|1,671
3hits: 1,843|2,194
4hits: 2,457|2,716
5hits: 2,792|3,239
My attack in ws gear is 644 w/ no buffs. D: I'm sorry to make you rerun the numbers, I can test this first thing in the morning though.
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