Things Just Get Worse.
Things just get worse.
I don't particularly disagree with you, but I'd rather overestimate them underestimate them.
It baffles me that people, let alone people with power and authority have such a ridiculous, alienating and downright violent mindset against their own people.
Such an act would sow the seeds of another civil war.
Such an act would sow the seeds of another civil war.
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...I don't know much about any of this except what ive read here, but; Ive been saying this for the past few years...I think we would be better off if something 'terrible' happened to the government. Be it crash or I don't even know but imo we need a restart. Like I said, I don't know much but this is my 2cents.
Bahamut.Feisei said: »
...I don't know much about any of this except what ive read here, but; Ive been saying this for the past few years...I think we would be better off if something 'terrible' happened to the government. Be it crash or I don't even know but imo we need a restart. Like I said, I don't know much but this is my 2cents.
As much as I am against violent, climatic solutions; it seems that we're not likely to gain any significant ground or foundation that can be fundamentally agreed on between bodies of government and politics alike. With that said, maybe it does take a catastrophic event of defeat or disaster to bring us to the necessary precipice that would enable action upon rebuilding a foundation that works for us again, rather than needlessly rebuilding our sand castle in high tide, so to speak.
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Oh, I feel the say way as you, I would rather a peaceful way be found but well, in most cases in the past that hasn't been the case. Yea there could be a shift and it does happen, but I am pessimistic.
Well, I'm sure you've heard of 2012 were all gonna die etc. I wouldn't say I don't believe in what could happen but that's just it, it could happen anytime. Something catastrophic could happen and is likely to happen, but man has no way to tell when or where it will.
I’ll leave you with a quote from Joe of Super 8 “I know bad things happen, but you can still live…”
Well, I'm sure you've heard of 2012 were all gonna die etc. I wouldn't say I don't believe in what could happen but that's just it, it could happen anytime. Something catastrophic could happen and is likely to happen, but man has no way to tell when or where it will.
I’ll leave you with a quote from Joe of Super 8 “I know bad things happen, but you can still live…”
Psycho Slip said: »
I don't particularly disagree with you, but I'd rather overestimate them underestimate them.
I generally overestimate the politicians(it's hard not to) and underestimate the people who are paying the lobbyists.
O.o Wooooowww and i thought OUR politicians were whackey...
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: »
No long-term conspiracy required. Just self-interested, short-sighted stupidity, and a public that doesn't demand anything more.
Also this just in about this: Senate approves $662 billion defense bill
They're really trying to make it seem bad to veto it now.
Judaine said: »
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Lakshmi.Mrfrodo said: »
To be honest maruraba we can write 1,000,000 letters. if they dont want to change their minds nothing we can do about it, other than attempt (if they dont rig it) is to get them out of office asap.
The voice of the people can in fact be heard. Did you see what happened to SOPA?
People aren't politically active enough. When they are, things change.
We must stop waiting for people to save us from ourselves, and pull ourselves up out of our own mess.
sadly it wasnt really the people it was the fact that companys just as big if not bigger then the ones lobbying for it jumped in to lobby against it..
Seriously we could have cured cancer, aids and a whole bunch of other ***if that money would have been spent on medical research instead of on killing people.
Such a waste...
Such a waste...
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If we spent half as much effort convincing our kids to be scientists as we did convincing them to join the patriotic military bandwagon we'd be riding on T-Rexes by now.
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If T-rex's are cloned then I would find that as a justifiable reason to spend $662 billion dollars on defense >.>
Shiva.Xellith said: »
If T-rex's are cloned then I would find that as a justifiable reason to spend $662 billion dollars on defense >.>
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Okay, I'll give you that one.
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Has anything come from the Supreme Court about stepping in and declaring this bill unconstitutional? Because as it stands a presidential veto isn't going to hold a candle to a potential veto override.
Quite obviously, the media isn't covering this as it should be, and it's getting censored on pretty much every social media. They're really trying their best to just get this through unnoticed.
Quite obviously, the media isn't covering this as it should be, and it's getting censored on pretty much every social media. They're really trying their best to just get this through unnoticed.
Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Has anything come from the Supreme Court about stepping in and declaring this bill unconstitutional? Because as it stands a presidential veto isn't going to hold a candle to a potential veto override.
Quite obviously, the media isn't covering this as it should be, and it's getting censored on pretty much ever social media. They're really trying their best to just get this through unnoticed.
Quite obviously, the media isn't covering this as it should be, and it's getting censored on pretty much ever social media. They're really trying their best to just get this through unnoticed.
It's a hassle trying to go through a search engine because all the links disappear or change over the course of even a day. And then ones that are there are sometimes broken.
I don't mean to be overly-skeptical-borderline-conspiracy but the entire proceeding leaves me really uneasy and quite terrified.
I don't mean to be overly-skeptical-borderline-conspiracy but the entire proceeding leaves me really uneasy and quite terrified.
I wouldn't say you're being overly concerned, as an American, we should be concerned about these sorts of things and the way they try to get away with things in the government is quite shady indeed.
Whenever a bill is introduced that gives the government more power or control over the lives of the citizens, ask yourself:
"Would I want the party I support to have this power when they are in control?"
Then ask:
"Would I want the party I oppose to have this power when they are in control?"
If the answer to either of these questions is "No", then don't support the bill. Whatever power you give Barack Obama today, the next George Bush will have tomorrow and vice versa. If you can't trust everyone in government with a power, then don't give it to anyone.
That's how we as citizens need to think and how our representatives should as well. Looks like it's time to clean House (and Senate) again, because they sure don't seem to be thinking much at all.
"Would I want the party I support to have this power when they are in control?"
Then ask:
"Would I want the party I oppose to have this power when they are in control?"
If the answer to either of these questions is "No", then don't support the bill. Whatever power you give Barack Obama today, the next George Bush will have tomorrow and vice versa. If you can't trust everyone in government with a power, then don't give it to anyone.
That's how we as citizens need to think and how our representatives should as well. Looks like it's time to clean House (and Senate) again, because they sure don't seem to be thinking much at all.
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Yep... I'm out.
/gets paperwork for Canadian citizenship
/gets paperwork for Canadian citizenship
The key to prospering in a fascist state is to ensure you are one of the fascists. ^_-
Loss of liberty for the common citizen doesn't seem to matter much anymore if you get to be the one that points the gun (instead of being the one the gun is pointed at...) :p
LOL j/k...but to be fair to the passing of this bill, the White House did indicate that changes to the bill's various provisions were made...
...among other things. It does seem to be a "trust that the government is watching out for your (individual) concerns" here, but they did alter the terms in the original bill as far as that goes.
Loss of liberty for the common citizen doesn't seem to matter much anymore if you get to be the one that points the gun (instead of being the one the gun is pointed at...) :p
LOL j/k...but to be fair to the passing of this bill, the White House did indicate that changes to the bill's various provisions were made...
AP.org said:
House and Senate negotiators announced late Monday that they had modified that provision. They added language that says nothing in the bill will affect "existing criminal enforcement and national security authorities of the FBI or any other domestic law enforcement agency" with regard to a captured suspect, "regardless of whether such ... person is held in military custody."
The bill also says the president can waive the provision based on national security.
The bill also says the president can waive the provision based on national security.
AP.org said:
In a reflection of the uncertainty, House members offered differing interpretations of the military custody and indefinite detention provisions and what would happen if the bill became law.
"The provisions do not extend new authority to detain U.S. citizens," House Armed Services Chairman Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., said during debate.
But Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said the bill would turn "the military into a domestic police force."
"The provisions do not extend new authority to detain U.S. citizens," House Armed Services Chairman Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., said during debate.
But Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said the bill would turn "the military into a domestic police force."
...among other things. It does seem to be a "trust that the government is watching out for your (individual) concerns" here, but they did alter the terms in the original bill as far as that goes.
But aside from the potential consequences for US citizens, doesn't this somewhat endorse the handling of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay? I mean, aside from the interrogation techniques, the big complaint was that there are little/no requirements to hold people indefinitely.
But, we're a nation of laws, so I guess it's cool now that it's law.
Right?
But, we're a nation of laws, so I guess it's cool now that it's law.
Right?
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Lakshmi.Mrfrodo said: »
To be honest maruraba we can write 1,000,000 letters. if they dont want to change their minds nothing we can do about it, other than attempt (if they dont rig it) is to get them out of office asap.
The voice of the people can in fact be heard. Did you see what happened to SOPA?
People aren't politically active enough. When they are, things change.
We must stop waiting for people to save us from ourselves, and pull ourselves up out of our own mess.
This is why we elect congressman and senators. To be the voice for us. People need to pay more attention to this fact than only going to vote on presidential elections.
Found this interesting part in the article:
Quote:
It would impose tough new penalties on Iran, targeting foreign financial institutions that do business with the country's central bank. The president could waive those penalties if he notifies Congress that it's in the interest of national security.
Fenrir.Terminus said: »
But aside from the potential consequences for US citizens, doesn't this somewhat endorse the handling of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay? I mean, aside from the interrogation techniques, the big complaint was that there are little/no requirements to hold people indefinitely.
But, we're a nation of laws, so I guess it's cool now that it's law.
Right?
But, we're a nation of laws, so I guess it's cool now that it's law.
Right?
Oh you mean that thing that Obama promised he would shut down?
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/01/obama_orders_gu.html
And then...
Quote:
On Jan 7, 2011, President Obama signed the 2011 Defense Authorization Bill which contains provisions preventing the transfer of Guantanamo prisoners to the mainland or to other foreign countries, and thus effectively stops the closure of the detention facility. However he strongly objected to the clauses and stated that he would work with Congress to oppose the measures.[17] U.S. Secretary of Defense Gates said during a testimony before the US Senate Armed Services Committee on February 17, 2011: “The prospects for closing Guantanamo as best I can tell are very, very low given very broad opposition to doing that here in the Congress.”[18]
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On March 7, 2011 President Obama has given the green light to resume military trials, conducted by military officers, with a military judge presiding, of terror suspects detained at Guantánamo Bay.[229] He also signed an executive order that moved to set into law the already existing practice on Guantánamo of holding detainees indefinitely without charge.
Lakshmi.Jesi said: »
Found this interesting part in the article:
Quote:
It would impose tough new penalties on Iran, targeting foreign financial institutions that do business with the country's central bank. The president could waive those penalties if he notifies Congress that it's in the interest of national security.
Oil? lol
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