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I know RDM is not as useful as it was back at 75, however I have yet to see someone pick a sch over rdm for any kind of event in the game period.
If you think the only sparkle rdm got are those, I'm sorry you're mistaken.
Low man situations rdm would become more beneficial imo.
Again, low man rdm would have greater benefits on the party, refresh/cures/nukes and so on...
BRD? COR? RDM? Any of those can cure/refresh/buff/debuff and help overall party. (yes I know sch can, I would much rather have a cor or a brd on my blm pt than a sch.)

I didn't mean the job is trash trash. I just mean it has no usefulness as far as other jobs has. Specially if you're a low man group. I can't think of any situation where I would pick a sch over brd or cor as far as support. However in a kite situation sch no doubt has his shine, just like rdm and blm. Eh whatever everything is based on what you have on your party/group. Obviously no point in having 4 brds 1 tank 1 whm...

Unfortunately Abyssea made alot of people lazy, its really rare these days to find a mage that will even keep a good haste cycle up, its one of the main reasons I force myself to play mage jobs instead of Melee, I get very emo when i'm not being hasted, I could 2box my alt and haste myself but I really hate having to play two accounts x:

Thank god they fixed Yarnball though I was seriously going insane without it just randomly throwing out hastes and refreshes x:

I honestly think Yarnball was the reason people stopped hasting haha.

Could write timers into spellcast, worst excuse ever. :( when I don't haste someone it's because I went dori and forgot I have the spell. :(

/clap /clap /clap.

yes this post got rated up twice because its true. refresh 2.hmm let me think? refresh 2 vs? bard with songs which do the exact same thing PLUS MORE!. no ur not going in tank party. go back to stuning and waiting for slow2 para2 to ware. now enmity managment taking over curing because the whm has too much hate. a sch can do. sorry a rdm cannot keep a pld alive when whms hate is high. a sch can in those situations.

@Shiva.Haptic
if ur goign to rebut something at least please adress the key points i made.

1) u failed to addres the curing. ur going to sit there and tell me a rdm's curing when a whm is dead is as good as a sch. if u really think that. then... well yah...

2) i never made this out to be sch vs anything. this is about they each have their use in voidwatch. a lot of mobs in vw are so much easily defeated with sab+debuff. so yes a rdm has their place. as does a good sch.

3) u rather have a brd,cor or rdm in the blm party if ur int his mentality. then ur not thinking voidwatch. Voidwatch ISNT about killing the thing fast. no its about processings and not taking hate. im sorry but from a whole alliance perspective. aoe pax on the blm party so they arnt stealing hate because their enmity douse timer isnt up because they are trying to to trigger wind, fire, water. thats a bit more key.

I don't know what you guys are worried about. BLMs will never give up Gravity for helices. If anything this begins to boost RDMs comeback as the DOT/solo monster it once was.

I'm not worried about SCH though, it will always be a competant nuker, pumping out far more DOT in the long haul than a BLM ever could. It's a better healer than RDM, and with its new 2hr mods it can even take the place of some BRDs.

Your avatar is creepy as *** but I like your opinions!

yet you dont know about Saboteur and how that combined with Addle makes it better than lolWHMaddle. But sadly..if you have a BRD in the pt...nocturne and addle dont stack for whatever HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE reason.

now...if March stacks with Embrava(Haste)...*drool*

but like i said...either they augmented the levels you learn helices as SCH to -49....or its Test Server Onry....im hoping the later...cause then they have to change how helices work so that sub isnt pumping out ungodly 1K+ DoTs

read up i mentioned sab. so u must have missed that. but we usually only bring 2 rdms max. usually just 1. sab+ slow2 > sab+ addle. but depending on the mob one could argue. anyways yah the hole thing was about rdms usefulness based on refresh2 is what the guy had said i was responding to.

"situational at best" is the phrased abused here on ffxiah.

@Inuyasha - theres a thread in sch forums about marchx2 and embrava. u can cast both. but embrava allows dd's to reach attack speed cap without marchx2 from what i understand. since embrava, haste(spell), marchx2 all fall under magical haste.

nvm, not worth it.

/clap /clap /clap

but yea,I saw that whole "WHM gets Addle so RDM is useless" thing in the RDM forums....and i laughed :| and yea..."situational" indeed



they all stack...*drools*

darn SE and your placing caps Q_Q

I don't quite see why this is an issue, it doesn't kill SCH's usefulness in Voidwatch, /SCH is still a terrible subjob in terms of what /RDM has to offer for both WHM and BLM.

You're recovering more MP over time, constant fast cast, and it's not like your mages in VW shouldn't have some other form of refresh support (COR or BRD) so the very minimal decrease is cost of spells is hardly noticeable.

You're acting like SCH is dead, and no one is going to bother taking it into any event that requires a proc, where they could assist in covering lower tier crap so the BLMs are not throwing out more hate then they already are in VW, but then again, Enmity Douse + Random Deal = Win.

@Neko: there's only going to be one of each for BRD and COR, and WHM benefits from SCHs strategems as well, so they should be /SCH. :x So SCHs good for 2 JA process IE not exactly worth the party slot depending on what jobs you have access to. :x

Edit: I really hate how this ninja corrects proc into process :|

/sch is seriously a good sub... sublimation is a standing refresh or an "oh crap" mp supply..depending on how you want to use it. you still get dispel on dark arts if you need to change for whatever reason, and you get sleep spells for the same "oh crap" moments.. mp reduction is good on arts and you talk about "constant fast cast" on /rdm..well arts are constant fast cast as well..and if you're changing its obviously because you want to cast a spell in that other art..guess what...then you get fast cast for that spell too.... so I'm not sure where you were going with all of that Neko. And as niniann pointed out, stratagems are still nice every so often on /sch.. imagine a whm/sch using 1/2 mp cost on a big cure with AF3+2 pants on..they might actually get more mp back then they spent (i think it works on curaga spells too..the pants mp recovery proc).

Haptic are you capable of adding anymore sensible points/arguments? If not please kindly gtfo, posting umad pics constantly doesn't make you as cool as ironguy.


Also being that helices were lowered this far I do see helix 2 In the future, just hope its not merit based

I already didnt like really taking SCH to VW and this all but makes me no longer want to bring one. Bringing it for only 2 JA procs (one of which never lands) over something else is just a wasted party slot. While they can do aoe regain, its generally weak compared to CORs. (I know they stack but even then, its only 1 per tick) With the amount of temps we get now in voidwatch, as long as you are procing well and fast, healing is even less of an issue with 2 healing powders and 2 potions.

speaking of which kimble, i have the temp item KI from the T1 puk..what other temp KIs am i missing and from what NMs if you dont mind... PM if you need to and dont want to derail this thread or w/e..thx ^^

There is another temp KI from the T2 from Bastok path (Lorbulcrud).

The other 2 come from the 2 T1 paths in Zilart (Holy Moly or Neith or Ildebrann for one and Sabotender Campeador or Malleator Maurok or Tangaroa for the other)

Tangaroa and Neith are prob the easiest to clear.

Topicbanned.

I guess I'm one of the lucky few that actually gets to play SCH for things. :<


... Granted, it's better geared for nuking compared to my RDM. Though I suspect that, with this helix update crap, I'll be going SMN from now on just for Earthen Armor. ; ;

I always thought /SCH was ultimate for WHM.

It used to be. Apparently not now, and I can understand it with the level increase.