Let's Talk Fishing!

Every legendary fish except for one are all above level 100, the 1 is just exactly level 100.

You have plenty of options to choose from, I'd say 20 or so fish.

Do you really enjoy fishing? lol

havent fished in forever what is haks? talking fish nothing else lol

Theres a special rod in ffxiv that just requires you to fish hundreds of times at each grade of water in each of the "regions"

currently botting the ***out of that, if this "trial rod" is going to be in any way more profitable than haks everyone will do it, especially if it lets you use easily crafted bait or bypass buying minnows

What if you were given a set amount of exclusive bait to use per day and the fish were EX?

I meant for trials, not the fish you could fish up after completing a trial.

hakuryu

what do either of those matter o_o what possible trial could they put on fishing that botting wouldnt be the best way to do it, unless they totally rework fishing so you cant see what fish youre getting till you pull it up which doesnt seem likely

I'm just saying everyone you see "fishing" out in beauc will be doing these trials if they are more profitable in any way than doing haks, a lot of them dont play at all and simply fish 24/7 - time spent getting minnows, fishing is probably their only or atleast their main source of income

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while this would be cool I think its just simply not worth it for them anymore, the only time you even get a real gm reply from anything is when someone is calling you a *** 100's of times in tell or whatever

keep editing but whatever

The last time I had to contact SE support for something they sent me "battlenet" forms 4 times to recover my account, they are clearly just maintaining the game as best they can with as few people as possible.. policing fishers doesnt seem to be a large concern at all

With a fish like hakuryu it basically is just begging for botters really, and that is why I think a fish that doesn't have an NPC cost of hakuryu's but an AH demand would provide options to players who don't bot.

For players who don't bot, it really doesn't matter if you fish Hakuryu or something else that is worth while on the AH. They aren't going to fish up 50 Hakuryu a day and NPC them, every day. They are going to fish what they can and call it a day, it's as simple as that and that is how it should be viewed as.

Doing the trials wouldn't benefit someone who bots 24/7 because they would still make more from doing Hakuryu. I think someone who doesn't use a bot could fish new fish while still making just as much as they would have, if not more, if they fished hakuryu.

Someone who bots a fish used in a recipe is limited by the demand. They would be better off with fishing Hakuryu after the demand of new recipes stabilize.

The biggest problem with fishing in my opinion are the amount of fish used in recipes today, or even in the past. There are so many fish yet the amount used compared to how many there are is ridiculous. Adding in new fish without NPC prices of Hakuryu but requires a trial to be able to fish will create demand for them if they are used in recipes that players want to use.

That's how I see it anyways.

I think you're under some assumption that most botters are away from their PC while fishing. Anything that would be beneficial to a legit fisher is going to be beneficial to a botter.

Utterly contradictory. The botter has equal, if not greater opportunity to benefit from such a fish. If demand slows your ability to sell the new fish, just alternate between new fish and haks as economics dictates.

You can already see this in practice, really. How many people selling liks/gugs are actually doing it legit? Remember when the fish supply for sushi (hello black sole) was dominated by fishbotters?

That's kinda how I fish, I alternate between abaia (my bread and butter nowadays) which I synergize to falcorrs; also haks and gugs/liks. right now on the server I'm on abaia is definitely the way to go. Though, when I was on carby, for example, I was probably netting more with gugs. It's why I like fishing so much as it's pretty dynamic.

You'll have to find a new bread and butter sometime this month. I'm pretty sure BST is getting nerfed this month, Maybe SE will give us something knew to replace Abaia. That's what I was wondering anyway. If crafts are getting new synths, is it likely that fishing will see any new fish at all?

I just feel like there needs to be more ebisu only fish.

Although not ebisu only, ebisu fish (gug/lik) are a source of gil when it comes to fishing with ebisu. If you can get a buyer it is better than Hakuryu. Abaia is nice but I feel doesn't beat Hakuryu since the price has stabilized, but I've noticed a lot of Hakuryu fishers move over to Abaia permanently. Then there is Hakuryu, the fish almost everyone flocks to now after getting ebisu.

If there were more new fish introduced that required a demand I believe there would be more people willing to fish than there are now. A wide selection of fish is very good in my opinion considering there are ~140 fish in the game and most are used in a recipe yet almost none of them are required to maintain the game today because they aren't used in common recipes.

Just like what I saw with Abaia, if there were more fish (4-6 new fish with different fish families so each requires a different set of lures) then players would have a choice to fish something different while still making gil. Botters will dominate the market, but it will give room to players who don't a chance to sell since there would be a wider selection of fish to choose from.

There probably will be a few new fish added, probably not legendary fish though because there needs to be new GP items right? Or the new GP fish will be current legendary fish idk~

I highly doubt it will be ebisu only fish though.

I am planning on it, but it's all speculation at this point. I doubt there will be new fish -- maybe uses for old fish, upgrades for ebisu, new synths, but who knows. There are a few fish that serve very little to no purpose at all as it stands now.

Maybe they'll finally do something with Matsya!

...nah

If there wasn't ever a better time to do something with it by adding it in the upcoming update then idk when they would add it. It makes it that much more perfect to ignore it again :x!!

Ok just finished reading all 37 pages of this post.
On current topic. Kalilla, I like the idea of the 10,000 fish idea for next rod or whatever. How's this to prevent people from just mass buying it with cruor-gil?
ToM trial for Lu or Ebis ~~> collect X,XXX number of new EX fish.

Also:
Already read smoochy's thing, but just to make sure, soles/nashmau means what?

I'm a 98 Alchemist finishing up the craft. Few thousand more GP and I'll have everything Alchemy. I got people that I'm waiting on for levels and storyline and am thus keeping myself busy with crafts/gardening/chocobo racing.
Since Fishing is not restricted to the 60 (soon to be 70 cap) and can go straight to 100 (soon to be 110). I was interested in joining the Fishing Guild. (would love to have two stalls in my mog house).
I see myself running into the huge problem of breaking a Lu Shang's. I don't know any WWs who have the craft past 60.

As of right now my fishing skill is at 10. I got Halcyons and can make most if not all rigs/lures. Figured I'd ask the experts to let me know if I've read this thread right.
0-11 Moat Carps, Insect Ball
11-20 Forest Carps, Insect Paste (I'm gonna fish all 10,000)
Assuming I'll hit the cap way before the 10,000 mark, I'll need breathers in between to broaden my cap.
20-27 Nebimonites, Crayfish Paste (for synthesis materials and gil)
27-53 Shall Shell/Istiridye, Robber Rig
53-86 Mercan/Ahta/Dil, Shrimp Lure
By then, I really hope to have my hands on Lu or Ebisu.

I had many questions, but reading this thread answered most of them. Thank you for this awesome thread.

I'm glad you enjoyed the thread, and the route you planned out looks good to me.

Also I was playing with the idea that trials could be done with ex bait for ex fish to prevent mass purchases of fish/bait so the number could be lowered to a more reasonable level.

Also you might want to consider buying a lu shang if you can manage. You could work on gaining levels and level much faster, which I think in turn would let you enjoy fishing more and not get stressed out as much.

Try to get a ring to increase skillups, penguin or w/e, I don't remember the name. Work on GP everyday if you can join the guild, start early! You'll be so thankful that you started GP when you could, trust me.

After you get ebisu you could go back and do lu shang quest for the KI and gil if you wish to (you can get a few more past cap per day so that will add up).

So I'm kind of freaking out. The last 3 months or so that I've been fishing, the skill ups have just been crawling, which I expected, but right now I'm fishing pisces and I've gotten from 98.6-99.6 in just over an hour. Idk what's going on, but I'm loving it!

Thank you Kalilla. atm, clawing for as much GP as possible in my own craft + getting enough for KIs in other crafts. I've never had over 1.2M gil ever since I've always dumped it on crafting. If the trend continues and I don't have to spend gil on crafting, I guess I could buy a Lu Shang's. As long as I can catch the 10,000 carps either way to claim my own. They're roughly 3 to 4M on Cerberus right now.
Penguin Ring. Will need at least 30 skill to unlock Zaldon.
Albatross Ring. (See Penguin Ring).
Seagull Ring. Gonna do a lot of MMM for that one.
Heron Ring. See MMM.
Noddy Ring: works for 68 and above skill.
Puffin Ring: works for 48 and above skill.

There's a discussion that says Albatross and Seagull's the way to go. What do you think?

Was I the only one who liked Talacca a lot more than Nashmau? I despise the bite rate in Nashmau.

Don't waste your time with MMM rings unless you really want to have them. They only give a 1% increase and you would do better off using other rings.

Talacca is much better than Nashmau if you don't mind not having an NPC to npc stuff.

I had an empty satchel for that, so I didn't NPC until I hit fatigue anyway.

100! I never have to level aga-... ***...

Thank you very much! I'll take all of this to heart.

I'm actually feeling the opposite :X

It's been... 5...6 years? since I hit 100 on ps2? I'm not sure how long ago it was lol. I am looking forward to seeing skillups again :)

I was really big into fishing for a long time, but after not being able to fish for a couple of weeks, I kinda blew it off. I dinked around a bit, got 98 a couple weeks ago and then I felt obligated to get 100. Why go to 98 and not 100? Took 4 days to get .6, and then today was some kind of crazy *** fishing miracle from the gods for me to get 98.6-100 in about 5 hours.

I'd love to get 110, but I think I'm good with 100 for now. I feel accomplished ^^

You made me feel sad :(

My Clothcraft has 97.6 for 2 years'ish