Occupy Wall Street Protests

Right, day in and day out, we're siphoning money from USA into their markets. How are they the ones who are paying?

If there seriously was a conflict with North and South Korea right now, I can't even begin to imagine the number of defectors from North to South. Not to mention, South Korea's GDP is $832.51 Billion vs. North Korea's GDP at a whopping ~$40 Billion.

Don't give me this BS about South Korea not being able to defend against them.

It's pretty easy to pick cherries from a basket only filled with cherries.

Polling the OWS crowd]Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.

19 yr old occupier allegidly raped within cleveland tent city

Occupods spit on uniformed Coast Guard members

Organizer admits to paying some people to protest at occupy DC

Oppuciers sic dogs on reporters for excersising their 1st ammendment rights

Some occupods singing "F*ck the USA



and the icing on the cake is Howards Stern's interviews, warning for language..

The band sounds British. Howard Stern's job is to find morons to make his show interesting.

The problem is media propaganda will come from both sides no matter who is wrong or right.

North Korea has one of the largest standing army's in the world at around 1.1 million active military personell. They also have about 8 or so million in their reserve force. While they don't have as extensive an arsenal as the US or maybe even the South Koreans but they are well armed. They have a great deal of artillary aimed at South Korea as well. Not to mention that NK leaders can do pretty much whatever they want and money won't really play a factor internally.

South Korea sits at about 650,000 active military personell and I believe have about the same amount on the reserve force.

I remember talking to someone about this and if war were to break out they estimate as many as one million people could die in the first days.

Two general reasons to stay in South Korea 1) NK is extremely unstable and possibly on the verg of developing nukes which we, among others, don't want them to have. 2) China supports NK and if they were to go to war with the south its not unfathomable that they would lend military support if not just join them.

Our presence there does act as a deterrant and serves national interests as well. Also, its not that they can't defend against them and no one really knows who would win or lose for sure but its something that we do not want.

I get the whole isolationist viewpoint (bring all of our troops home only do stuff here forget about the rest of the world) but the world is very interdependant these days and while I don't think we should have our hands as extended as we do in the world I do believe we need to be out there.

If you expect Stern to take a reasonable call well I don't know why you're listening to Stern in the first place lol. I had to listen to that show for a year everyone morning when I worked off a truck with this guy and while entertaining you should never be getting your news or take peoples viewpoints very seriously on his show. I gaurantee he screens his calls til they find the most outrageous reply.

I thought this was all because people wanted the iPhone 4S and they cant afford to upgrade from their iPhone4 yet.

Attempt at a joke?

i thought it was funny.

Best justification for those stupid protests I've heard yet.

Thank you..that's more or less what I was getting at. I lived in Korea for over a year. I know the situation, just hard to explain it I guess. But you did it well. Thanks. (I know this is a colossal derail, but it came up lol)

Was stationed at Osan AB, South Korea April 2008-2009, while I was in the USAF. I remember when Kim Jong il launched their supposedly satellite launch, when the world really knew it was North Korea's actual motive of testing there long range ballistic missile capability. Which had me uneasy considering I was on a plane around that time back to the USA. Anyone who has ever visited the DMZ understands.

Yes, and there are a million other places that could use USA's support, but we don't. Why put sanctions on a country if you're not going to just go the extra foot and go to war with them? And if you're not going to go to war with them, then why even bother with them at all?

Either we're at war with them, or we're not, in my opinion. If we leave South Korea to their own issues, then South Korea will just start building up their own military to makeup for the loss of US forces.

North Koreans are defecting to China and South Korea at an astounding rate. During the chaos of a wartime situation, you'd be surprised how many families and soldiers would be hauling *** from their impoverished, starving nation.

The DMZ is made in large part to keep North Koreans IN, not just to keep South Koreans out.

Since we're on the subject of superfluous military spending, do we really need bases in Germany anymore? Okay...Let me just say that they close and re-open so many bases in Germany so often that it will make your head spin!

Hainerberg and Mainz-Kastel are the two that I have been to the most. My dad was stationed in Hainerberg, but we lived-off base because my mother objected to having my brother and I raised in an exclusively American atmosphere in Germany. (Which I'm thankful for because on base schools are complete ***. Believe it or not, a lot of officers rather have their kids educated off-base.)

Anyway, throughout my shuffling back and forth to and from Europe in the past, I've seen plenty of pointless military spending in Germany alone. An officer's hotel near Herrenchiemsee had been closed down to be remodeled six times in one decade.

Last year, when my mother went back. She decided to treat her sister to the military "mega-mall" that had opened in Rammstein the year before. When they finally made it there, the mall was already closed down "permanently".

The lengths they go to to accommodate military personnel abroad are just laughable! Now that I'm older, I also recognize that most of the military families refuse to even take advantage of their host country, and simply opt for their American hidey-hole.

EDIT: Also, when 'ole G Dub-ya visited one of the bases we were shopping at in 2005, they treated both my mother and aunt like complete ***at the entrance even though my mother had her military dependent ID and my aunt had her German DL on her. I was pretty appalled at the assumption that my mother and aunt were terrorists, just because they both have German citizenship. What's even more funny is that we're all as Whitey McWhiterson as they come. Thanks, Bush paranoia!

Those bases in Germany are necessary though because the alternative is Nazis.

Hardy-har-har!

/rolls eyes

welcome to fox entertainment...

I'm glad I don't watch current events on television...

And if you read some of the posts.. some people here actually really believe what the media portrays as truth.

well I have studied economics and political science in college (University of Rochester) and was a stock broker at Charles Schwab & Co. soon aftewards and now I am currently in the law school (not that I got laid off but purely by choice since I just got sick and tired of dealing with old people day in and day out, trying to explain this new technology called internet).

Here's my perspective on the great debate that seems to be going on even in this small forums between the conservatives and the liberals.

1. the line between the conservatives and the liberals are very blurry and only a very minority of people would fill in this category of "extreme" conservative or the "extreme" liberals.

Just because I do not support abortion and that I believe that the state should govern themselves without being interfered by the federal government does not mean that I am an extreme "conservative" (yes the most clear cut difference between the liberals and the conservatives is not the bear to arm issue, or the abortion like most of who are arguing here thinks. It is in fact the separation of state and federal government) and it REALLY does not mean that I like to starve the people on the street or take away the rights from the minorities. So please stop kidding yourself if you are thinking that someone is a conservative and therefore is a greedy *** who is stealing food from the starving babies. (If you do, sorry I have no hope for you).

2. Occupying the wall street, I am not sure who these people are but I am quiet entertained by these people since most of the interviews I have seen, they seem to have NOOOOO clue whatsoever about anything.

These people are probably the same liberals who have supported Obama administration during the elections and now are pointing their fingers at the Obama administration.

A. Obama didn't do much but he didn't *** up the economy. NO single president has that much power. Did he make it worse? Not really... but did he make it any better? not yet

state of economy has its ups and down as time goes, and every single person who has seen any economy text books will tell you that the economy has its UPS and DOWNS that happens continuously over the years and guess what.... we're currently on the down time...

IF I really wanted to blame someone for our state of economy, I think I would point my fingers not at the president as much as the other branch of government. hmm how about we start off with Ben Bernanke, (If you don't know what he did or who he is, please stop posting your opinions on the forum I think you are better off joining the "occupying the wall street" group.) During the housing mortgage crisis, Mr. chairman decided to lower the discount rate three times to boost the cash flow which in turn would boost the economy temporarily, but what he did not account for is the reaction from the corporations or what they would do this "excess" amount of cash... and on top of decreasing the discount rate not once, twice, or three times (o also he did "STOP" the shorting of stocks as savvy people who are good at stock, made millions and millions of the economic crisis), Mr. Chairman is the person who is responsible for the wall street bailouts which we know is not currently working out so well. Sooo.... who should we blame? Person who reappointed Mr. chairman, or the person who makes these calls... I guess both but my finger goes on who pulled the trigger.

One benefit that I have to being a political science major (i know completely useless right~~~?) is that I know the difference between liberals and conservatives, and as much as many believe it is the candidate's political views on controversial issues that decides the fate on the incumbent, it is in fact the state of economy that truly decides the fate of whether the person is re-elected or not. We can all pretend and say I CARE ABOUT THIS MORE THAN MONEY but the history of re-election shows that what people really care about? It is whether you're employed and have money in your pocket to feed you and your own. So for those of you who are reading my long and dumb post, please stop pretending that all conservatives are bad and greedy as I am a conservative "technically" although I support Obama over all the other idiot republican candidates at the moment.

Something that Chris Rock said in his recent stand up stood out to me... "Listen to what the politicians say FIRST and then make up your mind instead of "ganging" up and making up your mind."

O also lastly solution to our problem at hand, bad economy? Time

Let it be for few more years, and when Ben Bernanke starts doing his job then economy will go back to being awesome and everyone is going to praise the "president" at the moment to be the BEST PRESIDENT EVER regardless of the fact that the president will probably have MINISCULE amount of impact on the economy (IE Clinton "HOLY ***WE NEED BILL CLINTON BACK!!!" /facepalm)

anyways Good night!

Are you implying Obama didn't send 100 military advisers to Africa to combat a righteous Christian militia and further the influence of Islam in Africa? My source is irrefutable though :( He's a white guy with a radio show who does not make hundreds of millions of dollars for his political insight. You must be mistaken to think we can't trust the media. Would this guy lie to you?

I disagree with one thing here - the wealthy at the expense of laying off thousands of workers have NOT earned the billions for which they keep themselves.

Take for example a company that lays off 1000 workers but the executives in that company still take home (including options and re-investment oppertunities) millions of dollars a year; say a CEO takes home 10 million after the company has "downsized." Where is the fairness and equality here? Has he earned the 10 million at the expence of making the business run more effeciently? Afterall, he still takes home 10 million a year and look, the company doesn't need those 1000 workers anymore.. That's just rediculous.

At a time where inflation rates are at an all time high, yet 10% of the countries work force is living off of government handouts for unemployment but the leaders of our American companies are still taking home millions and billions of dollars, they are not the "job creators," they are the whirlpool of our financial system, bleeding it dry of all it's wealth while taking home millions and billions of dollars for themselves at the hands of the unemployed where the middle class bears the burden of paying taxes so they can continue to live in poverty through government handouts, and jobless.

The following is graphic... Scoff at infowars if you want. I don't expect major news media to show this. Make sure you watch the videos.

http://www.infowars.com/veteran-shot-in-the-face-by-rubber-bullet-at-occupy-oakland-protests/


http://www.infowars.com/cameraman-shot-for-filming-cops-in-oakland/



At this point, how long will things end up like this all over?


Some protests have been more peaceful. The use of flashbangs are out of line. I think that crowd of people wanted to help an injured person. Then an *** throws a grenade right into them.

Lol. And who creates the jobs then? The government? With my tax dollars and the tax dollars of the business owners you hate so much.

I got an idea, go get an education, open a business, and hire people until you only bring home what your under educated, less ambitious employees bring home.

Because you know, business owners don't have to put in extra hours, deal with extra stress or worry about an economy crash. Do you think a business owner would get unemployment? Lols.

These 10million dollar business owners you hate so much, pay more taxes in one day than you pay in a year. You should thank them, not blame them. But hey, redistribution of wealth is such a novel concept! Until the rich are broke also and the lower/middle class pissed all their money away on fast food/candy/drugs/alcohol/anything.

I mean low-middle class are just as educated, motivated and disciplined as upper class right? That's why It's only high school/college kids working fast food and other minimum wage jobs right?

Certainly no parents are too lazy to get a student loan (which is pretty much given to anyone these days) to improve their and their children's chances in this world. But they can file paperwork for those food stamps and *** about business owners.

I'll bet you most business owners who are successful do not spend more than they make per year. But go ahead, blame them for being disciplined and realistic.

Final note. Most Americans live beyond their means. Meaning, they spend more than they take in per year. Like all the idiots who blame the credit card companies. I guess they held a gun to all those people's heads who would spend, spend, spend and not read the contract they signed agreeing to said interest rates. Same with the 'housing crisis'.
Most American's would be far better off if they just learned to save 10-15% of every paycheck, instead of spending 10-15% more than they make. And if they get a raise? They raise the amount the spend. There are no real excuses for anyone anymore. There are enough programs in place that a kid who grew up on government peanut butter, could one day, be a billionaire.

We ignored everyone when pearl harbor happened. Do you want to withdraw all the troops then have something like that over your head?

Entrepreneurship has risks, gotcha. Any other obvious facts? The argument (of OWS) isn't about small businessmen making profit moreso corporations who want the government to serve their interests and the people of this country be damned in the process.

Both political parties are in the pockets of MNCs and you want me to believe this just boils down to a case of laziness? Given free rein, these companies will strip the laws bare for the sake of making a profit then throw up their hands in confusion when ***hits the fan.

But not before securing those profits and giving themselves large bonuses when the country suffers in the process. If workers are lost? Who cares, we'll outsource to China or India.


Said business owners also make more money than the average person, consume more resources and thus should pay higher taxes.

Further, you act as if all those products that low/middle class buy aren't filling the coffers of companies. They should be thanking the low/middle classes for spending on candy/beer/food amongst other things. The top 1% continues to grow richer through thick and thin while the 99% faces working harder for stalled wages, shrinking benefits and growing debt.

Something is very wrong with that picture.

But that's just cause everyone is lazy. Work harder peons, you're not getting richer because you aren't working hard enough. *cracks whip*


Being wealthy is all about being more disciplined and realistic? I'm sure you know it's far more complex than just this.


You mean the credit card companies that frequently engage in bait 'n switch, predatory lending practices, deceptive business practices and often hit you with fees for everything from looking at the bill the wrong way to breathing heavily? Even if you do your due diligence with credit cards, you can bet that they'll find someway to screw the rules and you by proxy.

Afterall, that's how they make money.

Hell, if it wasn't for the outcry against the debit card fees all of the major banks would have instituted a cost for accessing your hard earned money. They can dress it up and blame regulation all they want in order to provoke political responses but the bottom line is that they know you can't do squat when they own it all.

The bank mergers are frankly disgusting.


Save 10-15% of a paycheck when a large sum of individuals can't even survive with on full paycheck? Yeah, not gonna happen. Wages have stalled my friend and they've been stalled for a long time.

As much as you scold Americans for buying too much, the companies and business owners you raise up as heroes need people to spend or they go out of business. Ask restaurant owners how much money they've lost thanks to Americans tightening their belts.

Like it or not, business and the public are deeply intertwined. Large corporations don't really care because they damn well know you must buy from them since many consumer products are made by the same handful of companies.

Did you even read what I wrote?