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Samurai Discussion #93520123
pretty sure my comment was on topic, was regarding sam!
your frowning is irrelevant to the thread, topic ban!
Leviathan.Dodu said: » Fenrir.Niniann said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » That's really only an illusion of the truth, as far as I'm concerned. Very little is likely to change, its more that the fact that very little did change is going to be brought to the surface at a full-force run. Masamune was never that much better than Amano, and as such, Amano's advantages are already very apparent to anyone who's tried to smack even T2 VW mobs. Bravura will probably never be better than Ukon, Mjollner will probably always be better than Gamby, Mandau and Twas will probably always be astonishingly similar, Apocalypse and Redemption will probably always be the lesser options of any serious DRK- the list goes on. I believe Night actually did some math that showed Apocalypse to be superior in a certain situation, though the situation escapes me and he's gone to bed. Everything else is spot on though, lol. I'd be lying if it weren't speculation, but really? I feel like Ragnarok has gotten significantly better, while Apocalypse has just gotten.. accuracy. Given that I've mostly stuck to full buffs thus far I wouldn't be surprised to see DRK pull ahead in situations where it's gaining haste out of Last Resort instead of swapping gear around, though you do lose some flexibility in gear as a result. Regardless, the potential for top-tier damage in certain situations with Apoc's additional utility via Catastrophe is pretty nice. The debate for SAM TP sets have always fallen under the category of HASTE vs. STP (X-hit). How much HASTE are you willing to sacrifice for a higher X-hit tier? In this post I will strictly compare 5-hit sets. You can easily achieve 5-hits with haste values close to (or even at) the gear haste value without sacrificing much.
I've compiled 3 5-hit TP sets based the very important stat of HASTE and list many important (significant) statistical advantages of each set and each sets downsides. All 3 sets allow you to WS in the SAME WS SETS so long as you have the holy duo of Rajas Ring and Unkai Haidate +2 equipped in your WS set. 5/5 STP merits is REQUIRED. Kirschy's BG Haste Topic (Graph) Kirschy's BG Haste Topic (Numbers) #1
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Generic WS set for all 3 TP sets
Let's start comparing sets. The first and most glaring difference between the WS sets is the back piece. #1 requires the infamous Tactical Mantle compared to sets #2 and #3. The second major difference is set #3 boasting the Pole Grip. There are also minor differences among the multi-hit rate values. Will elaborate below. ALSO very important note: by using Unkai Mimikazari for all 3 sets you allow EQUAL zanshin rates for all 3 sets. HASTE. I will ignore TP set #3 temporarily. The pole grip applies to the WS set debate, which this post is not about. The main concern here is, are you willing to sacrifice all of the statistical benefits of TP set #2 to achieve 2% more haste? Do I really have to use the disgusting piece known as the Tactical Mantle in the optimal TP set? The answer is YES (sadly) and NO (oh my!).
CONCLUSION. I hope I didn't get anything wrong and that this is useful for the haste debate. Herp derp. Leviathan.Jihiro said: » CONCLUSION. 6-hit. TP:
weapon/polegrip/thew Zelus/Gane/Cent/Brutal Af3+2/Dusk+1(Aces)/Mars(Pyro)/Rajas Atheling/Bullwhip/Af3+2/Aces Inside Abyssea swap out polegrip for claymore(or sword strap if it doesnt break your build outside/inside), if you dont have ganesha use Rancor collar. Hands are probably just preference and if youve augmented dusk, though -movement speed should be an issue. The good thing about a 6hit is it has flexiability, can swap in black tath,acc neck, bushi,usukane feet, mars ring to accomodate any acc issues that and the tp bonus earring does more for ws then it does for tp. I personally use Juogi over Af3+2 because its hideous on elvaan model and I know that Im purposely gimping my output by less than 1% and thats fine by me(just inc ppl check my profile) WS: weapon/grip/thew Varangian/Justice/Cent/WotG Faz Mail/Heafoc/Pyro/Pyro Unkai/Beir+1/Hachiryu/Af3+2 Can use anguinus when berserk is down, can use brutal earring when attack is capped, aswell as ele gorget/belt when its capped. Is Pole/Claymore really better than Sword Strap?
This is what I'm using: 17.1 - So still have complete WS choice freedom. They aren't that far apart, I'd imagine Pole edges out due to benefits on WS.
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