Blade: Jin

Okay, from what I've gathered, you guys think this would be the best set?:


Anwig Salade: +4 AGI/DEX +2%/3% WSDMG/Crit DMG; Byakko Haidate: +4% Crit DMG; Light Earring +1% Crit Rate

Crit DMG: +57%; Crit Rate(GH+RR+DEX): +84% w/ Jin's crit bnous at 100% tp(assuming 10% just for the sake of things) would make it 94%.

Only problem I see with this is low attack, which is where my other set could come in I suppose.

This is the only post you need in this thread:


Also I don't believe in this SS hype unless you want e-peen points for spikes onry or want the HP.

switch the back to Atheling while inside abyssea

Relic hands at night time might be better for inside abyssea, and not sure but heafoc might be acceptable during day, because although dex is a mod, the str probably outweighs it due to ddex being capped anyways

no
Edit: ignore me, I reversed that less-than symbol in my brain.
yes

Highly dependent on your attack. If attack is capped or near capped, iga back easily beats atheling.

Best jin gloves if you don't have AF1+1

Also dependent on attack

Yes, but I use my anwig for something else.

Even if SS beats GH, it will be by a very small margin. The added utility of +50 AGI and +10 counter should make up for that in almost any circumstance. This is a very tough argument, and either choice has its uses.

Atheling wins over AF3 back inside abyssea, Cruor buffs and RR's DEX should let you use Heafoc mitts (I WS in heafoc) against most things assuming you're not hurting for acc. I don't have AF3+2 body but I think with the high crit rate and such inside abyssea Loki's would win over it. (You're using GH+RR)

Thank you for the input guys^^

Well, I suggest reading my post again, since you obviously didn't and only took the "bad" things out of it.
Nowhere did I say that Hi or Kannagi are nessesary.
But ppl who don't want to work towards improving their jobs (and pushing mediocre WS' to their limits is certainly not much of an improvement) simply are too lazy to invest time on that particular job. And this is not an accusation but a fact. If you want something, you work on it. If you don't want to be better, you don't care.
All this is fine, not everyone has to like every job

Optimizing Jin is indeed not a bad idea but it doesn't mean that you like the job enough to make it better.
If NIN isn't your main and you don't want to play it right, that's totally fine with me, just don't get hurt when ppl tell you that using Jin is no acceptable solution if you want to play the job seriously.

I've done 5 WoE weapons because I didn't have the means to do the real ones, just as I did most of the Nyzul WS I needed/wanted between floor 20-40, as well as all the WSNMs I could do for my jobs.
And all this, because I wanted to have those WS, because I wanted to not only be on those jobs but because I wanted to play them as well as I could.

If Jin wasn't a crit WS and there weren't all those crit atmas, you would have no chance whatsoever in tanking. Just keep that in mind.

I agree with GH generally being more useful than SS, even if SS offers some more dmg output.
Generally, AGI helps you way more with tanking, due to the eva/parry/subtle blow you gain.
NIN isn't all about DDing but it's a tank job.

It is an accusation though when you say I must be lazy if I like the job, but don't have Hi, or that I just don't like the job enough. Nin is one of my favorite jobs, but the only time I'm on it is outside of events(mainly solo) and I don't feel that the time working on WoE is worth the outcome, and maybe it is, but I'm not here looking for someone to sway me the other way. As for Kanaagi, I'm far down on the list of getting another emp sadly, but even so, I plan on working on something else most likely when the time comes.

If Blade: Hi wasn't a crit WS and there weren't all those crit atmas, would you stand a chance whatsoever in tanking?

It's hard not to when it's chock full of passive-aggressive insults
All of a sudden, people who are trying to use ninja as a means of improving a different job are lazy.

Chief, all we're looking for is a means of bettering our ninja in 10~20 seconds of macro changing so we can finish making our ukonvasaras so we can stop going ninja, ok? ok

I'm really getting amused at your obvious ability to read our minds/feelings about a job, please, tell us more about ourselves.

>implying that there's one way to play a job, please just openly express your hatred of non-kannagi nins and quit trying to subtly insult people prioritizing other things

I'm playing my ninja for the intended purpose of defeating the monster I've engaged while attaining the desired procs, so long as I'm able to do that, I personally would consider myself as having taken the job seriously.
If Hi wasn't a crit WS and there weren't all those crit atmas, you'd be down ***creek without a paddle too, what's your point?

that should be your response to this thread

Hahaha xD

Hi is Jin+1. It's not game-changing, it's just a nice damage boost. If you are serious about nin, you would maximize your potential at all times (even before you finish kannagi, in other words). It's absolutely silly to not gear your current WS properly just because it's not the best WS.

I took the time to research and figure out what I thought would work best for Jin, I am also working on Kannagi.

YOU'RE SO LAZY FOR DOING THAT RESEARCH

GAWD

Who needs research when you got these guys? :P

You did nothing else but supporting my point. You don't like NIN at all but only use it to achieve other goals.
I hope you realize your own fail in trying to argue your way out of that.

And besides, you, obviously, also aren't capable of reading posts in their entirety because I did say (multiple times) that having Hi or even Kannagi isn't nessesary for anything.
And feeling attacked by such statements only means that you either thought you were doing it right and evidentally weren't. Or you're plain stupid.

Lazy is lazy, if you don't want to at least get basic things done for a job, it's just that.

I never said that I blame anyone for that either, I don't gear all my jobs as best as I could either.

Absolutely agree with that and pretty much sums it up.

2nd the agreement!

Jin can still put out about 2k outside aby and 3-4k inside. while Hi will give about 2k outside and 4-5k inside. The real advatage to Hi out side aby I have noticed is the aftermath effect. Although I find both WS to be useful.

This should have been noted since the beginning. It's the only real benefit to having Kannagi when it comes to outside situations. To stay on topic, I've easily dropped consistent 1200~1700 Jins outside, using a similar aforementioned Jin set posted earlier in this thread.

As a NIN you *don't* really need Kannagi to be a career NIN, though it's definitely a step up.

Some ppl are doing 7k+ on jin and 9-10k on Hi inside abyssea, without brew (spike dmg of course not average).
No Jin doesn't suck and let a nin able to solo a lot of NMs, but Hi is obviously better in terms of DPS. However having Hi doesn't make the ninja.

7K+ Jin on what? Bogs?

lol, i should ask but i didn't find it impossible considering that i spiked 5k+ (not on bogs) and i'm not perfectly geared.

Those are the infos that count.
Whether or not some lucky WS did 20k dmg, is irrelevant. Spike dmg is worth absolutely nothing if you're doing 1k dmg the rest of the time.
Implying that gear matters much in Abyssea? xD
One Atma usually adds 2-3 times the stats you could add in gear, making the gain from your gear sets very little, compared to 3 atmas.

The only thing that matters is WS dmg+, crit dmg+ and DA/TA/QA to stroke your epeen.
It's not against you but reading all the dmg something can do once every 1000 WS, is making me sick. Like it would tell you anything about the qualities of something.
It's like stating that someone went 1/1 on Kraken Club.

On topic though.. A good Jin (supported mainly by atmas) is ok for NIN in Abyssea but it will always only be 2nd best. If you don't care, neither do I. But if you want to improve, start getting a new WS, other than pimping out a bad one.

Outside of Abyssea gear becomes more relevant anyway, obviously.

yea I think 5kish was the highest spikes I remember from Jin and it was maybe once or twice don't remember the mob at all, 7K just seemed kinda high to me

this is my current Jin set. obvious upgrade would be zukin +2 to aias bonnet. doing some limbus for ninja tekko +1. any other upgrades i should be looking into?

Epona's over DEX ring, replace your Iga Tekko with relic hands +1 hands at night, or heafoc for now, and obviously try to augment your byakko's accordingly. Loki's might be better inside abyssea assuming gh/rr/apoc. And then yeah, aias bonnet

thats just so true, but its always the same in these forums. people talk about spike damage and sell it like it was what they could do on a regular basis. also the definition of good gear and bad gear differs a lot, adding that no one ever mentions if he or she uses any temp items or not. sure in abyssea you have stalwarts and champions most of the times when youre farming TE, yet I would not just include it in any ws number I post unless talking about spike damage records. without temp items, just atma gear abyssea buffs so kinda a solo situation the highest ive done on jin was about 4k, average Id say 2k but cant give much about average estimations I know that and thats only the usual EP-EM mobs, most of the times around abyssea konschtat when trying to farm gold chests solo.