SE Does See The Problem With Pld....

I think they should give pld a draw-in ability. Not because it would be effective... it would just amuse me.

To the people who keep suggesting more hate generation abilities; that isn't the problem. I mean, I'd take em, but the real issues are:

1) hate caps the same for everyone
2) DDs can mitigate damage just fine (or better!) while doing damage
3) PLD damage is pretty meh without an empyrean or relic

They've flat out said they aren't changing 3, because they don't want PLD to be able to do "everything".

Now, 1) isn't a huge deal since everyone eventually caps anyway, you just need to make sure that you re-cap faster than the DDs - with jobs like MNK and NIN that swing so fast, this isn't really feasible, but it's a big part of why Joyeuse was so awesome at 75 (Atonement being the other). So to fix this you'd either have to raise the hate cap for PLD only, which would be hilariously broken, or greatly modify hate generation/decay, which they aren't going to do.

So the answer is 2), which is more or less how PLD found its niche in Voidwatch; DDs cant just face tank when MP isn't unlimited, but as Ironguy pointed out earlier, the *second* that SAMs and MNKs can tank VWNMs without too much hassle, PLD is going right back on the shelf.

For now, I'm going to enjoy having a niche to play PLD again, but anyone expecting it to be permanent just hasn't paid attention to XI at all. Everything is cyclical.

/Though maybe they could fix atonement, you know, 750 damage doesn't go as far as it used to

I was skimming the previous "pld QQ" threads

and it's astonishing how little the "problems" with pld have changed in (literally) years. It's also amazing how similar the solutions (at least the not rediculous ones) are. I can't believe that SE let it go on this long without at least making an attempt :/

I love how everyone complains about Paladin. I've never personally done PLD, but my LS's main tank is PLD and he seems to have no problem with it. Sure he doesn't do the most damage, but that's not the point of the job really. If you wanted to deal massive amounts of damage, you'd be WAR or BLM or something. All I'll say is that his HP rarely dips below ~75% on any mob/NM. In a party setting I don't think PLD is broken, solo is a different story. You can outlast the mob easily, but it's just inefficient.

someone say 75 cap?

This is the problem. There is no bigger PLD fan than me, but playing it for anything that isn't Voidwatch generally means I'm choosing to make my group less efficient than it could be. Why would I do that to my friends?

I'm actually a reasonable DD as a PLD (Excalibur, woo!), and I still don't compare to any of my real DD jobs (and none of them are even all that fantastic). So I play it for Voidwatch, where it is effective, and for other content, I play something more appropriate.

See you're taking that out of context, I said in solo play. In a party play (in my parties at least) having our PLD actually increases dmg output. I'm currently a fulltime WAR and because our tank is so awesome, I can keep berserk up and spam Raging Rush (Ukko's soon) with no fear I'll pull hate or, because berserk is up/don't have good tank gear, take massive amounts of damage and die.

Well, outlasting the mob is generally how PLD works in a group setting, too ;)

As for not pulling hate, the hate cap is so low that if you aren't pulling hate from the PLD at least occasionally, you aren't doing enough damage.

As for increasing damage output, there is currently no content outside of voidwatch that is best tanked by a PLD - whatever you're fighting, there are at least two or three jobs that will 1) take less damage and 2) contribute more damage at the same time. This is what we're talking about when we comment on efficiency, and that's why PLD isn't widely used right now.

That's because you sub dnc & are a weak DD, not because your tank is awesome.

Not everyone is blessed with this:


5% > 0% haste. Plus, it makes his paladin feel good.

I refuse to believe this and I'm a pld proponent.

Hey NIN gets damn expensive, especially on things like that damn rabbit in Misareaux

It's not even that, you can stay up there at the cap with relative ease.


This ^ Other DDs do not need a dedicated tank on the majority of stuff. Even if they fixed it so PLDs can maintain the target's focus, why bother when other jobs can successfully tank it while killing it faster? It was the same at 75, it's just more obvious to the player base that you don't need a PLD to succeed.


I'm assuming that's a joke, but in regards to making enemies ridiculously hard, and sky rocketing PLDs defensive abilities so much that they become required to fight them, is pretty much going to kill lowman content and shoot us back to 2005 HNM.


Problem is, that JA will be limited by a recast. Too long and the ability is useless. Too short and it's broken, basically like raising PLD's cap only.


More hate tools aren't going to fix PLD. They'll help you cap enmity faster and maintain cap longer. That's it, after that you're still facing the same problem of PLD being inefficient comparatively to other jobs acting as tanks.


Yeah. Sorry, any claim that a PLD can maintain hate even 50% of the time is bogus. Even at 75, players intentionally held back to allow PLD to tank. Unless you're doing that (slowing your kill speed), or you just suck, then I'm not buying it.

While I know you're trolling, 10% > 5%!

/sam...

It is that though, because whoever takes an action last will the target of attention.

Does it? I'd say I'm a fairly bandwagon NIN and that thing couldn't touch me.

PLD 4 life.

Yeah I know, basically an enmity system overhaul is required, but as it stands the first solution is to create situations that require a PLD. Can swing pretty fast with a sword fully hasted, but overall it doesn't matter, because the MNK or WAR is plenty enough majority of the time.

I'd rather tank on WAR myself. I always have whether people have liked it or not. It is just more acceptable.

it's not hard working on a nice PDT/MDT set. Also if your RR/Ukkos won't be pulling hate. Waste of an Empyrean.

Edit: I agree with what has been said before though. Increase PLD's hate cap over other jobs.

Have to get one first, just using an AH GA

Ah, so a pending waste.

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I'm confused, did you just call Devlin an awesome tank?

Yes yes I did

Yeah dude, check out that sattva ring.

That Sattva he has is pretty amazing, makes you hold hate 100% of the time, especially if you TP in it. OTHER PLDS THAT DONT HAVE ONE DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE JOB. /endsarcasm

I've outtanked him NIN/DNC while dualboxing a BLM for grellow procs. All he did was feed the NM a shitton of TP along with the THF and lolBST that were also there (especially the BST, contributed nothing else to the fight), which was fun *** times considering it was Quasimodo. 2k spikes every 10 seconds, anyone?

Calling a Skeld Sword, Sattva Ring, Knight's Earring PLD awesome is laughable.

what a champ. i wanna be that guy.