Redemption Help/questions

lol? what? not sure if ur being sarcastic or if u are implying it sucks on NM..either way >_>

Show the gears!!

Actually it depends on how you want to play. If you want just to melee a NM and WS only @ 300 % it's up to you. Could be good too if you have to zerg maybe. With Aftermath on, you'll hit often for 1k + with or without RR. This atma allows you to reach 2k + on melee hits.
So it really depends on your playstyle.
I prefer GC.

I would say almost all Tier II empy NMs are duoable, Tier I are duoable-soloable. Isgebind is duoable, Orthrus and dragua ... um... i won't try for orthrus since the KIs are a pain to get for it.

Not sure what you are saying? That aftermath + crit from RR dont stack or something? and there really isnt a play-style, you play well or u dont

Of course RR stack with aftermath. Yes it's a playstyle matter, you prefer to do more dmg on melee i prefer to do more on WS.

I think it's more that he prefers to do more damage overall and thus be useful whereas you prefer to epeen at your group's expense.

Shame on you for answering this in such a manner. You didn't read the post before that was talking about how some mobs don't like you to just keep swinging at them until they die I take it?

As for Orthrus's triggers...those are as easy to get at your local Auction House right? On the abyssea scale, I guess this can be difficult depending on how many afk toons you have to plow through to get there...

Regardless, I don't think It usually ranges 1.5 -3k randomstuff, so I am a total disgrace to epeenffxi. Regardless, I enjoy my infected Colibri on a stick.

More damage overall on what?

I read your post, i'm just pointing that warrior's path is not the easiest. For Orthrus, would spend 150k per run for tiger's king hide?

1.5-3k is not usual? I don't understand. What are you talking about?

on anything. if you are DDing it is not about the one mob that got 1 shotted. It is about the entire duration of your active time trying to kill stuff. aka overall damage or your DoT(damage over time).

If you are focused on a single hit for max damage you are just wasting time you can be doing more damage, MORE SO with calda which has a nice added benefit of having a low delay, meaning your melee damage counts more cuz you are swinging more for 100% tp(also adding to the importance from aftermath as well as things like RR and desperate blows)

Only time where staying back and building tp might come up would be voidwatch at best...(dam thing is a snoozfest, talk about whoring trigger idea SE!)

this thread

THIS THREAD

it's going places

The point was to maximize WS damage while still keeping frequency high, and just to say its for epeen numbers is stupid because damage is damage and 3.5k Quietus to 4k Quietus to make a 4k+ Darkness SC is hardly a "bit" more WS damage.

While on the flipside you can maximize your melee damage while ditching WS alltogether. I chose the WS option but that doesnt mean going straight Melee damage does better overall damage at all. RR is a good atma but it certainly isnt god for DRK unless we suddenly get a crit based WS.

and im hoping we do get a crit based ws. i hoping for them to refine quietus or torcleaver to make it either more powerful or crit based

Anyone that ignores the TP Phase and the huge DPS boost from RR should stop what they are doing and start playing a mage job, because you suck at melee :(

RR IS better its already been mathed out and proven, your eyeballing and saying MY WAY WORKS JUST AS GOOD, is NOT going to make what you want right.

Suck less.

I have a feeling that SE might make it that all WS work like regular hits that you can critical base on your dDex and merit and gears, and that critical base WS gets a bonus % on top of that. It makes absolutely no sense that the WS and regular hits work off different mechanic when it comes to critical hit.

Once that is done, all problem should be solved pretty much.

Math link pls?

Saying MY WAY WORKS BETTER isnt going to make what you want right either.

Jesus cant we all work to see which builds a Redemption DRK can use effectively to kill and support it with math? or is that too much to ask?

So far the effective ones ive done are:

(WS oriented)
DRK/SAM VV/GC/Apoc -Borderline Balanced- ~I use this mostly~
DRK/SAM VV/GC/Plague
DRK/SAM GC/Lion/Apoc
DRK/THF RR/SS/GC or RR/SS/Apoc

(TP Phase Melee oriented)
DRK/SAM RR/GH/Apoc
DRK/SAM RR/SS/Apoc
DRK/SAM RR/Lion/Apoc

(Balanced TP/WS)
DRK/SAM RR/GC/Apoc
DRK/SAM RR/VV/Apoc
DRK/WAR VV/Lion/Apoc -Borderline TP-

There are other setups out there so feel free to add to it.

Now as to HOW effective some of these setups are we need math for; real math, not a couple of assumptions you just pulled out of your ***. If someone could provide it we would figure out if what we are using is really good or if it blows.

Its on BG somewhere im sure, I for one don't like checking that forum its a giant gaggle *** but the Data they give is spot on.

You can ask in the "What's better?" thread and they will tell you just that.

Use Motenten's spreadsheet. Dropping RR for anything is a massive drop in your dps.

General Consensus that has been already proved a million times with math >>>>>> your opinion you pulled out of your ***.

Yeah, I did some searching and found Motenten's spreadsheet but it only has a few atmas to play around with, it doesnt have GC or Lion so I cant really test those. Id really like to look at the RR/GC/Apoc combo to see if you can get the best of both worlds.

What Im trying to do is find the best possible setup for the common situations im in(Fodder mobs/Bukhis). Also the spreadsheet doesnt include skillchain damage in its calculations as far as I know.

Ill keep messing with it.

Ok I found something I never knew, Sword Strap(-3% Delay) increases my DPS from a Pole Grip(2% DA) by 14... But It also made my TP/Hit go from 18.6 to 17.1. This must mean the melee DoT you would get from the sword strap outshines the TP frequency you would get from the Pole Grip.

Apparently Calmecac does slightly(like 0.2DPS)better than +2 bale legs. and with the small atma pool I got, RR/AlphaOmega/Apoc beat any other combo. that leads me to believe RR/Lion/Apoc would be the best considering att is capped against fodder mobs and -10%PDT >>> -25% HP

edit: Also I noticed Quietus doesnt seem to have its TP modifier and added aftermath damage.

Sword Strap is always generally the best grip you can use unless it is breaking your x-hit.

well Thats good to know...

Orthrus path is hard? 150k is a problem? Since when has gil been an issue since LOLabyssea? You have unlimited gil now, but heaven forbid you get a gold box in altepa that doesn't have 40 King Tiger hides in it, or the sharby hides. If you can't kill a dhalmel for a HQ hide...well ya.

Glavoid and Itzapookaloo is essentially gold box work, I'm just not seeing how 'Hard' it is. Considering the sheer number of joke warriors on asura that sport a UKON and no other gears(no not that Iarumas guy), gotta say this path is just as ZZZ as the rest.

As for what I'm talking about, like I have a clue. The epeen and eyeball extremes have already established this. You finish the empy yet? This thread has been going for awhile, should be done by now with at least a stage 1...something.