Empyrean Vs. Relic

For DRG I'd do either OaT or Mythic. I wouldn't waste time/money on drg empy/relic :S

Can you read the thread before you spew your nonsense. please.

How does the Empyrean WS compare to Drakes outside? I'd assume if its stronger then it would trump Gungnir. Inside both would be spamming drakes, which would make Gungnir the Superior weapon.

Would'nt it be optimal to ws at 300tp for aftermath, then spam drakes until you gotta redo aftermath?
Not like building tp is a problem for DRG >_>

something unrelated:
aren't yoichi and armageddon essentially the same weapon?

yush.

The ws is no drakesbane, but i put up respectable 2~2.4k numbers outside. I mainly use it tp setup aftermath or a self light skillchain. Imo its a good weapon.

while sam isnt exactly the most popular job atthe moment, yoichi sam is insanely powerful, i used to like to describe kaiten sams as massive hate machines, and yoichi sam being the exact opposite, insane hateless ws machine. i know salvage isnt a good baseline anymore, but going yoichi sam then/there used to beone of the most potent combinations imagineable. easily throw out 12-14k damage w/o the chariot even looking at you, and if i had some nasty temps things could get even crazier! additionally since theres a 25% ws increase now, its worthy to note namas does pretty much identical to sidewinder damage(that should make coro DEFINITELY beat slug since its a tad more powerful than namas arrow), an example i can give in ragards to side vs namas, was that giant in altepa, sidewinder did 1 damage LESS than namas arrow. previously sidewinder was still "better" and refulgent arrow being a good 300tp start-of-the-zerg ws. i mean we have jishnu and stuff now, but that said, i would never give my yoichi up for anthing still!

not at all >_> wildfire is magical and subject to resists, especically outside of abyssea, the only thing in common they have is a low enmity weapon skill, and anni has that aswell

build relic staff -.-

Parsed averages on mobs > single screenshots :/

and clearly, BLU with its A- skill in a single handed weapon can easily cap acc on EVERYTHING while a relic 2hander with A+, can't. Get with the times, gimps.

go wipe to dragua some more

5min video of some killing would be cool

Just really LOL.

2 handed Relic users gain +35 Accuracy. You're saying a one hander can cap accuracy on everything, but relic can't? Ridiculous.

Time will tell what SE does with Relics, Mythics, Empyreans. The road their taking seems to show they want Relics to be superior fire power, but it's still too early to tell.

Relics really do need a face lift as far as what they can do overall, they really haven't touched on that yet. They need to. Relic and Mythics will forever be the big boys of the game. Not the weapon that becomes the new standard. It's like Nyzul Weapons becoming useful, and everyone portraying them as the greatest of all time.

What happens when SE releases new weapon skills? What if they're amazing? Is it really gonna matter that you have a Tachi: Fudo, or Drakesbane? Is SE going to go on a limb and make - Tachi: Fudo II?

It's a rough sketch, and right now Empyreans are indeed kicking the most butt out there, minus a few odd ball ones... Scythe... anyways.

Even if we relic users have screens to show we're breaking 2k, 3k, 4k, 5k. The rebut is always going to be: "But we have ODD 35-40% Activation, But we have +15 STR"

It's a mute point. Relics are rare, Empyreans aren't, Mythics are hardly sought out for unless it's DRG, BLU, DNC, WHM. Don't really see any others.

lol

You need to work on your detect sarcasm skill

how rare or sought out something is has no bearing on anything, gugnir was a gigantic waste of probably a lot of peoples' time grats

Pchan, go be french somewhere else please.

Why would you attack me directly over Gungnir? I love it.

Am I wrong in what I'm saying? I'm giving Empyreans their shine, but I'm not gonna sit here and consider them as I said, the greatest of all time.

Gungnir has it's shine where it's due, unless you magically have 2-3 Dragoon's at every event giving Angon so it's always up for that magical 20% physical defense down on an enemy, which at this point in the game comes out to being what, = to 140 attack boost guessing?

The proc rate is very decent, triggers on Jumps as well. Oh, and yeah, it is 19.7% even though Wiki has a magical -17%.

In anycase, I stated Empyreans are the winning ticket right now, don't get it twisted.

6k SA + Mercy stroke inside Abyssea was my highest (atmas: RR/apoc/MC , could have used a 3rd DD atma & food for more dmg tho)
3,8k SA + Mercy stroke was my highest outside of abyssea, ep ziz in mamook.

Bravura is obviously the best cause it is -30 eva and -18ish% defense to mob, and lets you TP in ~50% pdt while keeping capped haste!!! maybe not. But theres that potential!

apoc is better imo, cuz it heals

Guttler is better because it's Thirsty.

Amador... you forgot Kenkonken. That mythic is broken lol... For its job its ridiculously powerful and Pummel is a WS that is viable with smite (except the double light factor that smite can produce).
Everybody always forgets about the damn pup mythic lol

i forgot people still play that job

Apoc wins when all relic's aftermath surpasses normal caps ala-aegis.

I don't care though.

Should I remind you that you are the one advertising yourself on more than one forum of the FFXI community?

With that out of the way, I am the one that is unknown here. So from behind my bush I can clearly tell you: step your game up, this is laughable at best.

I was killing tier 4 Voidwatch NMs that you probably still didn't have your first voidstone. While the DDs in my LS were far from perfect, some of them were more than decent and without sushi they cried like little girls, period (all Empyrean tier DDs mind you). Your BLU can be nicknamed Jesus, you don't hold a candle to a 2 handed DD when it comes to accuracy with the standard TP set nowadays, not even talking of what a 2 handed can pull if you just gear for accuracy.

Try harder, little boy.

Is it just me or is Draylo becoming more skilled with turning any conversation into blu vs. the world?

I mean page 1 of Empy vs. Relic and we are arguing blu vs. stuff.

A BLU Army!!!