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By Asura.Vyre 2011-07-08 15:13:25
Niniann put me in stitches.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-07-08 15:13:31
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I don't think anyone's arguing that they are. I think it's silly though to say that because it's not 100% we should abstain from sexual intercourse entirely if we aren't willing to have a child. That's like saying don't ever suck on a Jolly Rancher if you don't want to choke. Sex is a natural act. While not as necessary as eating, we've been doing it much longer than we have been sucking on candy (har har har, I know) and so I think it may be worth looking at it from that angle. While abstaining is effective, why should we all do it? We have the Heimlich Maneuver for when a Jolly Rancher is lodged in your throat. We don't let people die because they should have abstained from sucking candy. Why should this be that much different? Again while I don't completely disagree, your comparisons are just really off... lol.
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By Asura.Chuuuuu 2011-07-08 15:14:21
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: hmmm lol but fine fine /sigh on topic
true I wouldn't rely on Anal for birth control either lol
*edit damn you fast pokemon anal or vag. TONS OF GOOP
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By Asura.Chuuuuu 2011-07-08 15:15:45
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Asura.Chuuuuu said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: hmmm lol but fine fine /sigh on topic
true I wouldn't rely on Anal for birth control either lol
*edit damn you fast pokemon anal or vag. TONS OF GOOP why are you constantly bringing up the goop? now due to that I'm actually picturing the goop, damn you! cuz sex is gross and filled with goop :D
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By Asura.Chuuuuu 2011-07-08 15:17:35
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Asura.Chuuuuu said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Asura.Chuuuuu said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: hmmm lol but fine fine /sigh on topic
true I wouldn't rely on Anal for birth control either lol
*edit damn you fast pokemon anal or vag. TONS OF GOOP why are you constantly bringing up the goop? now due to that I'm actually picturing the goop, damn you! cuz sex is gross and filled with goop :D remind me of the same convo years ago with sofa we had but psht not gross just goopy
last time I'm carrying this on before the whole forum starts picturing goop I REMEMBER NO SOFA. GOOP GOOP
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-07-08 15:17:58
This was a serious thread.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yomisha 2011-07-08 15:18:25
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By Asura.Chuuuuu 2011-07-08 15:23:28
ok fine want srs only? i never considered abortion to be ok for most of my life. until i broke up with my horrible ex. if i had his demon spawn of a baby i really couldnt live with it at all :| but luckily my BC worked so no babies :O
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-07-08 15:27:12
Lakshmi.Flavin said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I don't think anyone's arguing that they are. I think it's silly though to say that because it's not 100% we should abstain from sexual intercourse entirely if we aren't willing to have a child. That's like saying don't ever suck on a Jolly Rancher if you don't want to choke. Sex is a natural act. While not as necessary as eating, we've been doing it much longer than we have been sucking on candy (har har har, I know) and so I think it may be worth looking at it from that angle. While abstaining is effective, why should we all do it? We have the Heimlich Maneuver for when a Jolly Rancher is lodged in your throat. We don't let people die because they should have abstained from sucking candy. Why should this be that much different? Again while I don't completely disagree, your comparisons are just really off... lol.
How so?
When you take it down to the core of what it really is, sex is a biological process that provides intense pleasure and can result in reproduction. In the context of this argument, diseases do not matter and we may say reproduction is an undesirable result.
When we take sucking on a Jolly Rancher down to the core of what it really is, you see that it is the biological process of taking a non-necessary, aesthetically pleasing piece of sustenance and sucking on it for a prolonged length of time to maximize the pleasure from the biological processes in your mouth. Unfortunately, if you suck too hard, talk while sucking on one, or stumble it may lodge in your throat and can cause choking which may lead to death if untreated.
These are both biological processes that have the benefit of pleasure and have potential downsides. Where's the true difference?
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-08 15:44:06
My stance on Abortion: Animals kill their babies. Why can't we.
THERE RE-RAILED GUYS!
PS: Goop.
Asura.Vyre said: Niniann put me in stitches.
I aim to please~
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-07-08 15:45:54
Leviathan.Niniann said: My stance on Abortion: Animals kill their babies. Why can't we.
THERE RE-RAILED GUYS!
PS: Goop. When you manage to convince the rest of the human population that we are no better than any animal on earth is when you'll get an agreement to that. humans seem to believe that because of our intelligence and humanity that we are better and have no need to do that.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-08 15:47:46
Ramuh.Urial said: When you manage to convince the rest of the human population that we are no better than any animal on earth is when you'll get an agreement to that. humans seem to believe that because of our intelligence and humanity that we are better and have no need to do that.
Yeah I know. :( So silly though.
By Halfpint 2011-07-08 15:53:50
Leviathan.Niniann said: Phoenix.Sehachan said: Well oral is 100%(though I've met many dumb girls who asked me "I swallowed, will I get pregnant?") UNLESS YOU SPIT THE *** OUT INTO A POPSICLE MAKER AND MAKE A SPERMSICLE AND USE IT AS A ***! Edit: On second thought the sperm would probably die. I guess you could spit it out and douche with it! >_>;
<grin, prepares for the "ick" response>..if she goes down on him, they immediately kiss and swap spit then he goes down on her......guess what.. is posssible.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-07-08 15:56:59
Halfpint said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Phoenix.Sehachan said: Well oral is 100%(though I've met many dumb girls who asked me "I swallowed, will I get pregnant?") UNLESS YOU SPIT THE *** OUT INTO A POPSICLE MAKER AND MAKE A SPERMSICLE AND USE IT AS A ***! Edit: On second thought the sperm would probably die. I guess you could spit it out and douche with it! >_>;
<grin, prepares for the "ick" response>..if she goes down on him, they immediately kiss and swap spit then he goes down on her......guess what.. is posssible. And this is why you ALWAYS make this use mouth wash after oral before you kiss them...ALWAYS....not that sperm is super icky and that's the real fear....it's purely for contraceptive purposes...yep
By Halfpint 2011-07-08 16:05:48
Ramuh.Urial said: Halfpint said: Leviathan.Niniann said: Phoenix.Sehachan said: Well oral is 100%(though I've met many dumb girls who asked me "I swallowed, will I get pregnant?") UNLESS YOU SPIT THE *** OUT INTO A POPSICLE MAKER AND MAKE A SPERMSICLE AND USE IT AS A ***! Edit: On second thought the sperm would probably die. I guess you could spit it out and douche with it! >_>; <grin, prepares for the "ick" response>..if she goes down on him, they immediately kiss and swap spit then he goes down on her......guess what.. is posssible. And this is why you ALWAYS make this use mouth wash after oral before you kiss them...ALWAYS....not that sperm is super icky and that's the real fear....it's purely for contraceptive purposes...yep
lol...last time i posted something along that line i got 6 posts of EWWWWWW or not me....lol
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-07-08 16:21:23
Aldiel said: If it's not the right time to have a child then it is not the right time to have sex. It simply is too irresponsible from an STD point of view and from a clearly humanitarian point of view to have sex without protection. All of this "I can't help it" *** is just another excuse to do the wrong thing and not take responsibility for our actions and/or be lazy. It's immature to take life for granted like that. We are not animals, we have to have a societal conscience and those that oppose abortion should focus on social responsibility instead of religiosity if they want to end this frivolous waste of time, money, human resources etc, my tax dollars should NOT be used to ease economic burden on immature and irresponsible ppl that KNOW that the biological function of coitus is reproduction, nobody is that stupid. It is not lack of education, it's lack of giving a ***(or maybe giving to many without a condom). Stop wasting my money.
We are animals, and the "right time" to have sex is when two consenting partners agree that they want to do the nasty.
Your "money" via taxes (since your flag is the US) does not go to abortions, ever, by law.
Remove your head from the hole it's in.
There seems to be a lot of talk about anal in this thread, gross.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-07-08 16:32:33
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: There seems to be a lot of talk about anal in this thread, gross.
You like it.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-07-08 16:59:18
This thread...
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2011-07-08 17:00:37
Ramuh.Krizz said: This thread... Is awesome? :D
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-07-08 17:01:54
Shiva.Spathaian said: Ramuh.Krizz said: This thread... Is awesome? :D No.
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-07-08 17:02:24
Ramuh.Krizz said: This thread...
Should have been aborted?
/spenceface
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-07-08 17:03:25
Fairy.Spence said: Ramuh.Krizz said: This thread...
Should have been aborted?
/spenceface I can't decide if I should laugh or not.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-07-08 17:06:31
Ramuh.Krizz said: Fairy.Spence said: Ramuh.Krizz said: This thread...
Should have been aborted?
/spenceface I can't decide if I should laugh or not.
do you have the battery life for it?
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-07-08 17:10:38
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Krizz said: Fairy.Spence said: Ramuh.Krizz said: This thread...
Should have been aborted?
/spenceface I can't decide if I should laugh or not.
do you have the battery life for it? Indeed. I am home and all plugged in.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-07-08 17:12:36
Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: My stance on Abortion: Animals kill their babies. Why can't we.
THERE RE-RAILED GUYS!
PS: Goop. When you manage to convince the rest of the human population that we are no better than any animal on earth is when you'll get an agreement to that. humans seem to believe that because of our intelligence and humanity that we are better and have no need to do that. Isn't the whole argument that we aren't actually killing babies but a clump of cells that isn't a life (as we define it) yet?
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By Phoenix.Amael 2011-07-08 17:12:57
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Indeed. I am home and all plugged in.
/mental Image.
Ew ew ew ew ew!!
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By Ragnarok.Beef 2011-07-08 17:20:04
Ramuh.Urial said: Leviathan.Niniann said: My stance on Abortion: Animals kill their babies. Why can't we.
THERE RE-RAILED GUYS!
PS: Goop. When you manage to convince the rest of the human population that we are no better than any animal on earth is when you'll get an agreement to that. humans seem to believe that because of our intelligence and humanity that we are better and have no need to do that.
lol are you serious? so you think we should just live without laws because, hey why the *** do we need laws to try to better ourselves, we're just animals might as well live by the 1 law that is governed only by nature, "the strongest survive and the weak die" right?
you is a savage son
vs Kansas:
Kansas to Shut Down All but One Abortion Clinic Friday | Mother Jones
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/kansas-shut-down-all-abortion-clinics-friday
Quote: This story has been updated below.
It's official. Every abortion provider in the state of Kansas has been denied a license to continue operating as of July 1. As we reported last week, strict new state laws put in place this month threatened to close the remaining three abortion clinics in Kansas. The staff of one of these facilities, a Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park, initially thought their operation could survive the strict new standards. But on Thursday afternoon, Planned Parenthood announced that the Overland Park clinic has thus far been denied a license to continue operating—effectively cutting off access to legal abortion in the entire state.
The new law, which takes effect Friday, establishes new standards for abortion providers—standards apparently designed to make compliance difficult. The rules require changes to the size and number of rooms, compel clinics to have additional supplies on hand, and even mandate room temperatures for the facilities. Given that the rules were released less than two weeks before clinics were expected to be in compliance, many providers knew they wouldn't be able to obtain a license to continue operating. The laws, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or TRAP laws, are an increasingly common legislative maneuver to limit access to abortion by redering it tough, if not impossible, for providers to comply.
With today's announcement that the Overland Park clinic was denied a license, Kansas becomes the first state to effectively make the legally protected right to obtain abortion services moot. One clinic in Kansas has already filed suit against the new rules, and a hearing on that suit is planned for Friday. Planned Parenthood is also expected to sue. The clinics are also expected to seek an injunction to block the law from being enforced. UPDATE: Planned Parenthood has filed suit. They are seeking an emergency injunction to allow their clinic to remain open while the lawsuit is pending.
"The women of Kansas waiting on their scheduled procedures will pay the immediate price for this outrageous and flagrant exertion of the radical GOP’s legislative muscle under the Brownback administration," said Kansas NOW in a statement Thursday, referring to conservative Republican Gov. Sam Brownback. "The freedom and right to legal healthcare has been denied to the women of Kansas."
UPDATE: In a statement issued Thursday evening, Peter Brownlie, president of Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri, seemed to hold out some hope that its clinic could still obtain a license to continue operating, even as the organization sought an injuction to block the law from taking effect. "We have been targeted in this bill and Kansas women are the ones who will suffer if their health care is taken away," said Brownlie. "This is radical, extreme government intrusion into private health care."
UPDATE 5:45 PM EST THURSDAY: The Associated Press is reporting that the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, after initially denying a license to Planned Parenthood, has now changed their mind. Stay tuned for more updates. PP said inspectors were back at the clinic Thursday reevaluating it, after earlier this week indicating that they would not be able to obtain one.
UPDATE 6:08 PM EST THURSDAY: Planned Parenthood just announced that the health department has, in fact, decided to grant it a license to continue operating. The PP clinic in Overland Park will remain open. "Notwithstanding that the regulations are burdensome and unnecessary, the findings of the inspection indicate what we have known and said throughout this process: Planned Parenthood operates with the highest standards of patient care and has rigorous safety procedures in place," Brownlie said.
UPDATE 7:15 PM EST FRIDAY: A federal judge in Kansas City has blocked the new abortion clinic regulations from taking effect.
Kansas Judge Blocks Abortion Clinic Regs | Mother Jones
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/07/kansas-judge-blocks-abortion-clinic-regs
Quote: A judge in Kansas has blocked the state's strict new regulations on abortion providers from taking effect, a move that will allow all three clinics in the state to continue offering services, the Kansas City Star reports.
On Friday afternoon, U.S District Judge Carlos Murguia granted a request from two clinics—Aid for Women in Kansas City and the Center for Women's Health in Overland Park—to grant temporary relief from the new rules, which took effect July 1. The clinics were denied a license to continue operating after the state issued new rules on June 17 that would have required both clinics to make major changes to their facilities. A third clinic, owned by Planned Parenthood, was granted a license to continue operating on Thursday.
The injunction will remain in place until the court hears the formal challenge to the state's regulations.
"This is a tremendous victory for women in Kansas and against the underhanded efforts of anti-choice politicians to shut down abortion providers in the state," said Center for Reproductive Rights president Nancy Northup, which joined with the clinics in filing the legal challenge to the law, in a statement Friday evening. "The facts were clear—this licensing process had absolutely nothing to do with patient health or safety and everything to do with political shenanigans."
The Kansas legislature passed a new law in April creating a new designation for abortion providers under the state's licensing system, and directed the Department of Health and Environment to issue new rules. The department issued 36-pages of rules on June 17 (though the clinics did not receive copies until June 20), mandating things like the size of waiting and recovery rooms, the number of bathrooms, and the required temperatures for each room in the facility. Clinic owners argued that it was impossible to meet the new standards, given that they were released just two weeks before the clinics were required to comply. Moreover, they argued, the rules had little to do with protecting patients and were designed to shut down the clinics.
This type of law, often called "targeted regulation of abortion providers," or "TRAP" laws, isn't exactly new or unique, but Kansas' would have gone farther than others in actually shutting down abortion providers.
Kate Sheppard covers energy and environmental politics in Mother Jones' Washington bureau. For more of her stories, click here. She Tweets here. Get Kate Sheppard's RSS feed.
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