Incoming PLD Adjustments

Hey look, another person who thinks holding hate is the perceived problem with PLD.

This thread makes me lol - I always love it when someone says something like "you don't understand." The imbalance is what would give pld the edge for what it was meant to do. If PLD is getting hit more it would lose enmity faster, and if w're talking enmity in percentages, then pld with 110% enmity over other jobs @ 100% would be effective, as if a pld getting hit and loses its enmity below 100% then the mnk or w/e will grab hate back - the trick for pld would be to maintain higher enmity and keep "hate."

We just need to raise the hate cap so Pld can keep hate guys.

and having a Ochain pld with a 110% enmity on "said" mob whiles 5-6 DD go zerg on it wont break the game?

The amount of wooshing nearly knocked me over.

so that a damage mitigation party roll is needed again.

but the enmity gain from damage delt equations need to be adjusted to account for the damage level 90 players are doing.

Lots of jobs used to be able to fill that roll, in fact, there were several mobs where Paladin wasn't the best job to do it.

Not sure how this can be true when, at 75, spam tanks like red mage and ninja would reach the hate cap a lot faster than the DD without doing any damage at all.

From what I've read and what I've experienced, the problem isn't with paladin, it's with white mage. The whole need for a tanking roll stemmed from the fact that healers didn't have enough mp to cure the full damage that the mobs were capable of producing. Considering the amount of refresh available, I would say the key to making the game hard again is to make cure spells cost much more so that a damage mitigation party roll is needed again. This is I think only half of the problem though, the enmity system was designed for the amounts of damage level 75 characters were pumping out. Sense enmity gained from damage delt has to do with the mobs level, not maximum hp, the large weaponskill numbers have completely outweighed other enmity sources. I don't think that any class necessarily needs to be given a higher hate cap than others, but the enmity gain from damage delt equations need to be adjusted to account for the damage level 90 players are doing.

Hey look, another person who thinks holding hate is the perceived problem with PLD.

Unless I missed something, the problem with PLD is people didn't want PLD being the only tank in the game... so SE made it not the only tank. NIN can tank, MNK can tank, THF can tank, DNC can tank. The difference? NINs, MNKs, THFs, and some DNCs (I don't have much experience with DNC, bear with me) all do more damage than a PLD (I'm not talking about WS numbers, I'm talking total pwnage), so the players see this as a more attractive option since more damage = less time on this mob. Were PLD to deal the same damage swing per swing, and swing as fast and as often as MNKs, NIN, and THFs, then it would be better at what it was intended to do. However, fast and hard auto-attacks were not in PLDs arsenal.

In abyssea is the key here. Nin, thf, and dnc come back to reality once there is new content post abyssea. Which so far is voidwatch. Thf's, Dnc's, Nin's get completely owned in voidwatch as tanks from my experiences so far. Mnk simply doesnt seem to have the mag def to keep up in voidwatch either. Pld still has a place thanks to its survivability.

Dont think you quite understood what i was saying, pld has no problem with keeping hate, it was mearly to all the QQers out there in this topic saying SE need to increase the enmity cap ect that doesnt need fixing. the main problem is not doing enough damage and ive never had any problems with not producing enough damage, vorpal blade doing 1-2k on NMs now i have a almace CDC is more than enough.

"Enough" damage is relative and I have no idea what your baseline is.

My baseline would probably be matching any other DD's auto-attack with my own auto-attack, speed for speed, damage for damage.

Where the hate does NOT change would be with JA's and +enmity gear.

i knew how to play this game at 75

What is SID? And ilu Iron