Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
I still have my *** Gamecube box xD
If it tells you anything...
I still have my NES box :o
Sony's Rapture?
Sony's Rapture?
If it tells you anything...
I still have my NES box :o
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
I still have my *** Gamecube box xD
I still have my SNES box
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
I still have my *** Gamecube box xD
If it tells you anything...
I still have my NES box :o
hi grandpa.
I haven't bought a console in over 8 years. Doesn't it stand to reason though that if you shelled out $300 or $400 or whatever it is for PS3, wouldn't you want their network to work?
Saying stuff like "I bought all these Sony products and they ripped me off, I'm glad this is happening to them" or similar seems like you're glad you wasted your money. If I blew money on a console, I would want it to be fully functional and not glad the company is suffering.
Saying stuff like "I bought all these Sony products and they ripped me off, I'm glad this is happening to them" or similar seems like you're glad you wasted your money. If I blew money on a console, I would want it to be fully functional and not glad the company is suffering.
Fenrir.Rinnsi said:
my friend was all over this, cheering on the hackers, even thot hey took the network down. go them? I dunno, people say what Geohot did wasn't bad, but it completely opened the PS3 and PSP for hacking. meaning more pirating. then he distribted them. if he kept it to himself, it wouldn't of been a problem. but it's like taking your friends Debit card, figuring out the code, then making thousands of copies and giving them out to people. of course he;s gunna be pissed
the difference here is that the one is illegal, the other isn't.
what Geohot(name?) did wasn't illegal, nor was distributing the info, Sony's butthurt that's all.
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
I still have my *** Gamecube box xD
If it tells you anything...
I still have my NES box :o
hi grandpa.
nuuuu :x i'm only 25 ;;
Quote:
That same group said on Twitter this past Friday, "We're working on another Sony operation. We've condensed all our excited tweets into this one: this is the beginning of the end for Sony." A follow-up tweet yesterday said, "#Sownage (Sony + Ownage) Phase 1 will begin within the next day. We may have a pre-game show for you folks though. Stay tuned." As of this writing, no further updates related to Sony have been posted.
inb4 follow-up tweet "Today Sony; tomorrow: THE WORLD"
Jailbreaking is not illegal.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
my wife yells at me for keeping all my electronic boxes, we just keep them in the garage both my ps3 boxes and other random crap
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Jailbreaking is not illegal.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
Jaerik ftw! :D
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Jailbreaking is not illegal.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
I thought I read that the jailbreaking thing only applies to like ... phones or handheld devices... or did I read it wrong when I saw it?
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Jailbreaking is not illegal.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
I ask how can the jailbreak be considered illegal if you're doing it for illegal purposes, that's doing nothing more than trying to add a crime for committing a crime?
Basically they need to stop focus on what's allowing them to commit a crime and focus on the crime itself (pirating). However after an argument with a pirate I know I can kind of understand Sony, because there's no helping him. He refuses to acknowledge that he's stealing and that it's wrong.
I mean I used to pirate, probably will download/watch something that I didn't pay for in the future too, but I don't try to defend it.
I have a lot of roms and copied discs, but interestingly enough 99% of the time I use an emulator I own the game and I want to use savestates or I'm playing the actual disc in the pc's drive.
I just don't see the point of view that full on pirating is ok.
If I had the money I'd buy the rest of the games that I had roms for too, but I don't...
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Jailbreaking is not illegal.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
I thought I read that the jailbreaking thing only applies to like ... phones or handheld devices... or did I read it wrong when I saw it?
Thanks for clarifying Jaerik. I honestly didn't know it was fully legal....Good to know I suppose lol
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Jailbreaking is not illegal.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
I have yet to hear about anyone jail breaking a gaming system for something other than running games. People always try to defend hacking the ps3 because they want Linux back but, i think everyone knows that's a load of BS. I'd wager there's maybe 1% of the population who uses jail breaking a gaming system for something other than free games. I can understand the situation with hacking phones because the phone market is all about screwing the consumer and one sided contracts.
Lakshmi.Galith said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Jailbreaking is not illegal.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
I have yet to hear about anyone jail breaking a gaming system for something other than running games. People always try to defend hacking the ps3 because they want Linux back but, i think everyone knows that's a load of BS. I'd wager there's maybe 1% of the population who uses jail breaking a gaming system for something other than free games. I can understand the situation with hacking phones because the phone market is all about screwing the consumer and one sided contracts.
I disagree, however there are people who write homebrew games and people want to play those on their console for whatever reason.
I tell you what, if somebody makes MKFusion available to play on a DS I'll hack that thing asap.
Personally I find hacking one's console is typically more trouble than it's worth. Then again sometimes I just enjoy the simplicity of buying a game, popping it in and having fun, without having to worry about configuring.
My dad unlocks phones for a living. The only illegal thing is wiping the IMEI number and unbarring a phone that has been shut down.
My friend's hacked Wii gives me a headache. So many ISOs ; ;
I've been thinking of hacking my wii, but I wouldn't know the first thing to do, nor do I want to risk screwing it up and destroying it :/
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
My friend's hacked Wii gives me a headache. So many ISOs ; ;
So many "shovelware" games on Wii, how can they expect you not to try them before buying? >.>
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
I've been thinking of hacking my wii, but I wouldn't know the first thing to do, nor do I want to risk screwing it up and destroying it :/
I'm told wii's are the easiest (or were) to hack.
I may try to hack one of the 360's that I'm going to fix soon.
I still need to fix my ps3, it's been sitting on my desk for days now left open, anyone know the voltages a 60gb model's psu should output? I'd like to check them.
Jet is right -- they only made the act of jailbreaking itself legal. If you do it to run alternative (legal) software, then a service provider / copyright holder like AT&T or Sony can't go after you for violating your contract with them.
If you jailbreak for the purpose of pirating or running illegal software though, you're still breaking the law. It's just that the law break happens further down the line. Your beef isn't with Sony/AT&T, but you still have one with the federal government.
It's like copying a key. Locksmiths can make copies of keys or break open locks legally. However, if you do it to your neighbors house and walk off with their television, then it's still illegal.
If you jailbreak for the purpose of pirating or running illegal software though, you're still breaking the law. It's just that the law break happens further down the line. Your beef isn't with Sony/AT&T, but you still have one with the federal government.
It's like copying a key. Locksmiths can make copies of keys or break open locks legally. However, if you do it to your neighbors house and walk off with their television, then it's still illegal.
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Jet is right -- they only made the act of jailbreaking itself legal. If you do it to run alternative (legal) software, then a service provider / copyright holder like AT&T or Sony can't go after you for violating your contract with them.
If you jailbreak for the purpose of pirating or running illegal software though, you're still breaking the law. It's just that the law break happens further down the line. Your beef isn't with Sony/AT&T, but you still have one with the federal government.
It's like copying a key. Locksmiths can make copies of keys or break open locks legally. However, if you do it to your neighbors house and walk off with their television, then it's still illegal.
If you jailbreak for the purpose of pirating or running illegal software though, you're still breaking the law. It's just that the law break happens further down the line. Your beef isn't with Sony/AT&T, but you still have one with the federal government.
It's like copying a key. Locksmiths can make copies of keys or break open locks legally. However, if you do it to your neighbors house and walk off with their television, then it's still illegal.
Then why were they attempting to pursue this guy for doing this? did it have to do with their signing code? ( I didn't read into the full details)
the keys allowed people to sign ANYTHING. even ISOs. there was no way this wasn;'t going to be used for illegal activities, and wanted to strike it in the bud before it took off.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Galith said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Jailbreaking is not illegal.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
I have yet to hear about anyone jail breaking a gaming system for something other than running games. People always try to defend hacking the ps3 because they want Linux back but, i think everyone knows that's a load of BS. I'd wager there's maybe 1% of the population who uses jail breaking a gaming system for something other than free games. I can understand the situation with hacking phones because the phone market is all about screwing the consumer and one sided contracts.
I disagree, however there are people who write homebrew games and people want to play those on their console for whatever reason.
I tell you what, if somebody makes MKFusion available to play on a DS I'll hack that thing asap.
Personally I find hacking one's console is typically more trouble than it's worth. Then again sometimes I just enjoy the simplicity of buying a game, popping it in and having fun, without having to worry about configuring.
I'm not saying there isn't someone out there doing it to make overly complicated games. But the vast majority of people who download a homebrew are doing it for piracy not because they want access to program for a ps3.
Legal as it may be, I think it has really hurt the industry and hope they help define a legal solution as the laws retain a gray area in the legal code. It gets to the point where companies might as well just release games for free and then ask for donations because there's nothing keeping you from downloading a game for free other than morality.
Hacking a 360 isn't too bad from what I've heard, just don't go online with that ***, lol.
Wii's are pretty easy to hack, just one *** up and you can brick it easily as well.
Wii's are pretty easy to hack, just one *** up and you can brick it easily as well.
Fenrir.Rinnsi said:
the keys allowed people to sign ANYTHING. even ISOs. there was no way this wasn;'t going to be used for illegal activities, and wanted to strike it in the bud before it took off.
That's like saying nobody should drive because there's no way people won't have accidents.
Seriously fight the actual problem.
I hate to say it but even with the exemption from Apple phones, there is not going to be any Federal protection to jail breaking PlayStation. That would just be naive and destructive.
"Computer programs that enable wireless telephone handsets to execute software applications, where circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling interoperability of such applications, when they have been lawfully obtained, with computer programs on the telephone handset."
"Computer programs that enable wireless telephone handsets to execute software applications, where circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling interoperability of such applications, when they have been lawfully obtained, with computer programs on the telephone handset."
Lakshmi.Galith said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Lakshmi.Galith said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Jailbreaking is not illegal.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
The US Copyright Office exempted it and similar hardware/software mods from copyright considerations in July 2010, as long as your jailbreak is for the purpose of running alternative but legally-owned software.
They also made it legal to "unlock" cell phones and similar devices to run on alternative networks.
I have yet to hear about anyone jail breaking a gaming system for something other than running games. People always try to defend hacking the ps3 because they want Linux back but, i think everyone knows that's a load of BS. I'd wager there's maybe 1% of the population who uses jail breaking a gaming system for something other than free games. I can understand the situation with hacking phones because the phone market is all about screwing the consumer and one sided contracts.
I disagree, however there are people who write homebrew games and people want to play those on their console for whatever reason.
I tell you what, if somebody makes MKFusion available to play on a DS I'll hack that thing asap.
Personally I find hacking one's console is typically more trouble than it's worth. Then again sometimes I just enjoy the simplicity of buying a game, popping it in and having fun, without having to worry about configuring.
I'm not saying there isn't someone out there doing it to make overly complicated games. But the vast majority of people who download a homebrew are doing it for piracy not because they want access to program for a ps3.
Legal as it may be, I think it has really hurt the industry and hope they help define a legal solution as the laws retain a gray area in the legal code. It gets to the point where companies might as well just release games for free and then ask for donations because there's nothing keeping you from downloading a game for free other than morality.
Homebrew helps the industry more than hurts it, what hurts the industry the most is to limit ideas because a few douchebags don't want to pay.
Considering the majority of consumers are too ignorant or lazy to hack their systems and the number of pirates is a small fraction.
There's no gray area in the legal code, it's pretty simple. People who pirate are committing crimes, not people who homebrew.
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