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Fell Cleave Party Ratings
By Sidiov 2011-07-04 15:38:49
Just did one with Hatenko (FC) Dydy and Zanji (puller), hope that kparser numbers dont count as player warnings.
First hour free, I did not include it as I only got <10k xp + 4600 crour, and the xp chain reset a few times even at the end of the first hour when pay time came.
This is from a level 35 job, so the first several mobs didnt produce xp, by the end of the hour they were approaching 200.
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Experience Rates
Total Experience : 26746 (includes 14500 in chests)
Number of Fights : 367
Date : 7/4/2011
Start Time : 12:20:19 PM
End Time : 1:24:30 PM
Party Duration : 1:04:11
Chests that granted Cruor : 15
- Total Cruor : 15000 (never got cruor from mobs)
By Caladan 2011-07-04 20:22:53
Just did a run w/ Van's group in 6 hour pt we did 962k exp. Have to say they are a VERY good group. ^^
By Sidiov 2011-07-06 00:23:46
Here is a kparser for Ayban (FC and puller) (level 31 job)
100k / hr - no free hour, but spent about 5 min capping azure when we entered.
WHM left early on, rdm couldnt handle curing. FC died many times and then left. 50k refund so 50k for 1 hr and:
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Experience Rates
Total Experience : 3548 (no chests)
Number of Fights : 255
Date : 7/5/2011
Start Time : 9:07:14 PM
End Time : 10:08:06 PM
Party Duration : 1:00:51
Number of mobs that dropped Cruor : 33
Total Cruor drop (mobs) : 1522
Average Cruor drop : 46.12
Chests that granted Cruor : 6
- Total Cruor : 6000
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By Phoenix.Dragonwarrior 2011-07-06 18:34:49
Sidiov said: Just did one with Hatenko (FC) Dydy and Zanji (puller), hope that kparser numbers dont count as player warnings.
First hour free, I did not include it as I only got <10k xp + 4600 crour, and the xp chain reset a few times even at the end of the first hour when pay time came.
This is from a level 35 job, so the first several mobs didnt produce xp, by the end of the hour they were approaching 200.
Quote:
Experience Rates
Total Experience : 26746 (includes 14500 in chests)
Number of Fights : 367
Date : 7/4/2011
Start Time : 12:20:19 PM
End Time : 1:24:30 PM
Party Duration : 1:04:11
Chests that granted Cruor : 15
- Total Cruor : 15000 (never got cruor from mobs)
That parse data is amazing. Thank you for your insights. It shouldn't count as a player warning, just a base understanding of how FC's differ. May have been a bad day for them. Although the main list exists just as a guide. Thank you!
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By Phoenix.Dragonwarrior 2011-07-06 18:39:46
Adding Chomeymatt to "Good" he's improved over time.
 Phoenix.Deboro
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By Phoenix.Deboro 2011-07-06 18:47:10
Does new plugin save data anywhere? Zozur needs to be on the excellent list Thf 76-90 and Drk 37-76 in 6 hours. Peaked at 298k/hr and had perfect light setups. was best cleave ive ever been a part of.
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By Phoenix.Dragonwarrior 2011-07-06 18:48:32
Phoenix.Deboro said: Does new plugin save data anywhere? Zozur needs to be on the excellent list Thf 76-90 and Drk 37-76 in 6 hours. Peaked at 298k/hr and had perfect light setups. was best cleave ive ever been a part of.
I'm literally down to 2 jobs that can be cleaved. I'll try to test out Zozur if I ever see him shouting.
By Sidiov 2011-07-09 12:34:38
Last night with Theheeat (FC) and Alanon (RDM). Started with already capped lights, then first hour free, 75k/hr after that. Not including first hour, here is the paid hour's xp:
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Experience Rates
Total Experience : 74973
Number of Fights : 539
Date : 7/8/2011
Start Time : 8:30:59 PM
End Time : 9:30:48 PM
Party Duration : 0:59:49
Number of mobs that dropped Cruor : 204
Total Cruor drop (mobs) : 14306
Average Cruor drop : 70.13
Chests that granted Cruor : 20
- Total Cruor : 20000
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 Phoenix.Kbizzle
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By Phoenix.Kbizzle 2011-07-11 18:23:52
Phoenix.Dragonwarrior said: Phoenix.Deboro said: Does new plugin save data anywhere? Zozur needs to be on the excellent list Thf 76-90 and Drk 37-76 in 6 hours. Peaked at 298k/hr and had perfect light setups. was best cleave ive ever been a part of.
I'm literally down to 2 jobs that can be cleaved. I'll try to test out Zozur if I ever see him shouting.
Unfortunately you will never see him or his mule shouting. Zozur usually (maybe different in deboro's case not sure) but he almost NEVER charges. His FC's are phenomenal as he does it mainly for cruor/TE's and for LS mates that need to build a job up. Anyway just my input, zoz is a 10+, and I almost guarantee you will only hear about it from word of mouth.
Awesome list/thread by the way. Seems pretty consistent and accurate as I've seen, and FC'd, with some people listed here. Good work - Keep it coming!
Bismarck.Helel
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-07-11 18:26:41
So why are people FCing instead of CW still? I love waiting twice as long to kill as stuff as much as the next person, but I'm just curious.
Phoenix.Kbizzle
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By Phoenix.Kbizzle 2011-07-11 18:50:23
Bismarck.Helel said: So why are people FCing instead of CW still? I love waiting twice as long to kill as stuff as much as the next person, but I'm just curious.
And there's "that guy".
 Carbuncle.Axle
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-07-11 20:23:51
Bismarck.Helel said: So why are people FCing instead of CW still? I love waiting twice as long to kill as stuff as much as the next person, but I'm just curious.
Alot easier to build a war for cleaving than a blu to CW burn easily.
War and Rdm and the right mob, and you have a very low stress never die option. And its easily dual boxed, just have to cast phalanx2.
Has anyone ever ran into a CW burn area and lvled your mobs to VT? Not sure all blu's or even basic war's understand the difference on dmg from a DC to VT mandy. (Not saying a blu can't handle it, just most basic blu's can't)
Phoenix.Esvedium
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By Phoenix.Esvedium 2011-07-12 22:34:01
Screenshots from a party that Vandel did a few nights ago. Been off the game for a bit, but here's what I screenshotted from attainment plugin. Overall: 10/10
Top screenshot is where I went to bed. Not sure if the xp/hr was capped at that point, but as you can see, it's about 90min in. Paid 600k for 7 hours. Price rate is 100k/hr, first hr free.
Bottom part of the screenshot is when I woke up the next morning.
Ragnarok.Tarutaur
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By Ragnarok.Tarutaur 2011-07-12 23:19:23
How much time does a good cleave take to get from LVL30-90?
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By Phoenix.Dragonwarrior 2011-07-16 16:31:53
Ragnarok.Tarutaur said: How much time does a good cleave take to get from LVL30-90?
Well really good FC's like Wasuvi and Vandel have taken me to ~75 in 3-4 hours. Although I guess an average FC from 30-90 can take 6+ hours. It also depends on the zone. Altep is obviously the best.
I'm going to add Brd to the excellents list when Jurges gets back. I understand that she may have gotten a negative review awhile ago from one of my LS members, but she has really improved.
After like ~11 mil gil spent, I've gotten all my jobs to 90, and made roughly over 7 mil cruor (which was the original plan). I won't be going to anymore charged FC's, but I do wish for people who want to voice their opinions to post. To avoid player warnings, we can only have positive FC ratings. If you do a review, please include a xp/hr, cost, and time spent to reach capped xp, with the lvl you went in as.
Thank you
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By Phoenix.Dragonwarrior 2011-07-16 16:33:33
Phoenix.Esvedium said: Screenshots from a party that Vandel did a few nights ago. Been off the game for a bit, but here's what I screenshotted from attainment plugin. Overall: 10/10
Top screenshot is where I went to bed. Not sure if the xp/hr was capped at that point, but as you can see, it's about 90min in. Paid 600k for 7 hours. Price rate is 100k/hr, first hr free.
Bottom part of the screenshot is when I woke up the next morning.
Vandel's FC is worth every penny. The man is a best.
By Jurges 2011-07-16 16:57:22
Updated...
Chomeymatt to Good
Brd to Excellent
Phoenix.Meowzer
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By Phoenix.Meowzer 2011-08-04 10:05:51
Methylated let me join his FC for some free TE's while I was doing Bastion. I've FC'ed with this guy before, and he almost never charges. I didn't get a chance to see how long the PT was going for or how much EXP they amassed this time around, but I know he's a good & consistent FC'er. Definitely try him if you get the chance.
Fenrir.Ilax
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-08-04 11:09:34
Mon-Tue on fenrir i run a FC run.
We charge 100k/h, and first 30 min is always free, if people are not happy of the Exp on the first 30 min they can leave and that cost them zip nothing. This never happen even once.
Our group is pretty simple, 2 RDM, 1 WAR. We never ask anyone to open chest, we take charge of all that, and no worry we spam key on all chest.
I know a lots of people think is a rip off paying 100k/h for cleave PT, but trust me they have no clue what they are talking about, my FC average tons of cruor/exp per/h. Personally i never really parsed any of my FC, but i know is close to 70k~100k cruor per/h, for Exp i am not even sure, but i see people get form 30 to 90 in 9~10h.
Of course if you come lv30 you wont get 70~100k cruor/h, but if you come any job 90, then is guaranted you do, my pull is 20 mob average, and 135 cruor per kill with light cap, i never take more then 3 min to pull (i know bc i have to open 2h chest just to keep up bc i cancel retaliation.. ya i don't pull with that silly movement speed down) so is 20 pull per hours @ 20 mob average, 400 kill /h * 135 = 54k cruor + min ~10% cruor box, 40k form box.
For exp is hard to say because you get it nerf <lv90, if you were lv90... then that be 400x 600 exp + min ~10% Exp from chest 50k + 240k exp/h.
So even with the nerf the 300k/h still turn around 100k~150k min/h.
We never take break, when i have to go WC or i wan take it easy, then our RDM pull.
Anyway i know there some poor/sad FC pt that charge and is not even close of exp/cruor i do, and i can understand people to be scared by it. But if you get in a good one, for sure you be happy. Best is join them for free for 30 min, then take or leave, is not like you loose anything.
Anyway happy hunting/cruor/exp everyone, and sent me a /tell mon/tue if interest.
Phoenix.Kirana
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-08-04 12:20:25
This thread is not meant for arguments, take it to PMs please.
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 Phoenix.Xinnn
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By Phoenix.Xinnn 2011-08-04 17:41:24
Fenrir.Ilax said: Mon-Tue on fenrir i run a FC run.
We charge 100k/h, and first 30 min is always free, if people are not happy of the Exp on the first 30 min they can leave and that cost them zip nothing. This never happen even once.
Our group is pretty simple, 2 RDM, 1 WAR. We never ask anyone to open chest, we take charge of all that, and no worry we spam key on all chest.
I know a lots of people think is a rip off paying 100k/h for cleave PT, but trust me they have no clue what they are talking about, my FC average tons of cruor/exp per/h. Personally i never really parsed any of my FC, but i know is close to 70k~100k cruor per/h, for Exp i am not even sure, but i see people get form 30 to 90 in 9~10h.
Of course if you come lv30 you wont get 70~100k cruor/h, but if you come any job 90, then is guaranted you do, my pull is 20 mob average, and 135 cruor per kill with light cap, i never take more then 3 min to pull (i know bc i have to open 2h chest just to keep up bc i cancel retaliation.. ya i don't pull with that silly movement speed down) so is 20 pull per hours @ 20 mob average, 400 kill /h * 135 = 54k cruor + min ~10% cruor box, 40k form box.
For exp is hard to say because you get it nerf <lv90, if you were lv90... then that be 400x 600 exp + min ~10% Exp from chest 50k + 240k exp/h.
So even with the nerf the 300k/h still turn around 100k~150k min/h.
We never take break, when i have to go WC or i wan take it easy, then our RDM pull.
Anyway i know there some poor/sad FC pt that charge and is not even close of exp/cruor i do, and i can understand people to be scared by it. But if you get in a good one, for sure you be happy. Best is join them for free for 30 min, then take or leave, is not like you loose anything.
Anyway happy hunting/cruor/exp everyone, and sent me a /tell mon/tue if interest.
Sorry, but 9-10h~ for 30-90 is not good.
Since the Phoenix-Titan merger, anyone that has been in PJ has noticed all the "conversations" about Fell Cleave parties. So, despite the controversies, this purpose of this post is to help provide a guide on which Fell Cleave parties are worth the money if you're going to pay for a "leech" spot.
I just want to preface a few things to start. First and foremost, I just want to clear up a misconception. The true value of FC parties is in the cruor earned. I know there's plenty of people that are perfectly happy having a lot of jobs leveled and being able to share pink and Perle gear on all of them. I, nor any of the the other people contributing are one of them. This is from the perspective of those that are using brews to finish off their level 90 Empyreans as time efficiently as possible. If your not one of those people, thats fine, enjoy your EXP. Second, this is an evolving post. If you have an amazing experience, let people know. There's some groups that are well thought out and are very efficient that you can earn a couple brews while attending. In the same breath, there are others (see my rant above) that have no clue what they're doing. Next, I'm well aware that this has potential "Flame thread" written all over it. Nothing is meant to be a personal attack to an individual\group. If someone is really just bad, I'm not even going to add them to the initial list because I'm confident in someone will be pointing it out later. If a group feels that should be rated higher, people will be sharing their experiences, so I'm sure you'll move up the list. No need to have your LS mates come in and spam positive comments. that will be be pretty obvious and it'll only hurt your credibility. Finally, I want to give credit to the brain child behind this Dragonwarrior. trying to finish his Ochain and Gandiva has subjected him to a various number of experiences and anyone that knows him on the server, is well aware of his considerate reputation.
Criteria for rating system:
1. 2+ runs with group\ individual. Everyone has a bad day, so nothing has been judged on a one-time experience and patterns are pretty easy to pick up on. There are a couple 1 time runs, but when the person just accessed the WS 2hrs earlier and is trying to now make money there's no reason to go back.
2. Is there a dedicated puller, healer and cleaver. This helps tremendously with the run. And thats important if you are a aying customer.
3. Overall "Bang-for-your-Buck" factor. Is the cost/hour worth it. Also, is the first hour free or is it free till 100exp\kill
4. Gear/skill of the cleaver. This seems obvious, but if it takes someone 4+ FCs..... something is probably wrong.
*Names are based on FCer
EXCELLENT- worth every dime, get on a wait list to join
Redfrost/Zulukru**
Wasuvi
Bleube
Seshamaru
Drakehart
Vandel
Brd
GOOD- good group, don't hesitate
Chomeymatt
RESPECTABLE- so close to moving up, and not a waste of gil
Galkapryme
Devilbringer
Biggz
Cayota
Liglebaud/Varin
Cannibal
**Note: Acknowledging my LS relation, but who doesn't love Uko. Criteria based on the experience
Once again, if you're gonna spend the money, make sure its with the right people. FC gets a bad rap for the wrong reasons. Now BE NICE :)
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