Holy Shit, Is This The End Of Console Gaming?

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Holy shit, is this the end of console gaming?
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By Alexander.Nepharite 2009-04-02 21:41:21
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There is already more broadband solutions coming in the new future, like mobile broadband 4g, its supposed to have upload/download speeds that could rival/beat current cable/dsl broadband.

With new broadband technologies like this, it is possible. Like is there even a reason to buy blurays anymore if you can stream hd movies?
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-02 21:46:09
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Nepharite said:
There is already more broadband solutions coming in the new future, like mobile broadband 4g, its supposed to have upload/download speeds that could rival/beat current cable/dsl broadband.

With new broadband technologies like this, it is possible. Like is there even a reason to buy blurays anymore if you can stream hd movies?


You can already stream HD movie with a 100Mbits line. A bluray movie bitrate is ~40Mbps average. (including audio bitrate). Issue are servers mostly :x Giving 100 Mbps line to everyone ain't that hard, having servers being able to handle that is another story.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-04-02 21:48:51
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because you can hold a blueray. you cant hold something you download.
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-04-02 21:50:27
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<3 Physical media.

Besides, it's a reliability issue. Imagine if your HD suddenly failed and you had nothing to back up upon. That would suck.
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-02 21:51:11
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Well streaming is supposed to be the successor of pay per view TV or DVD/BR renting. You cannot "hold" these either. We'll always have physical medias.

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Besides, it's a reliability issue. Imagine if your HD suddenly failed and you had nothing to back up upon. That would suck.


Seeing the current $/TB ratio, anyone can afford 1:1 backup now (or RAID1/5) :]
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By Ramuh.Jackel 2009-04-02 21:59:07
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Atrithk said:
720p streaming requires an average connection speed of about 110 MB/s. Not megabits. MegaBYTES.
Enjoy your scam.


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720p would require around 12-15 Mbps for artifact free streaming. 15 Mbps equaling 1.875 MB (Megabytes) or roughly a download of 1920 kilobytes per second.

Antipika said:
Nepharite said:
There is already more broadband solutions coming in the new future, like mobile broadband 4g, its supposed to have upload/download speeds that could rival/beat current cable/dsl broadband.

With new broadband technologies like this, it is possible. Like is there even a reason to buy blurays anymore if you can stream hd movies?


You can already stream HD movie with a 100Mbits line. A bluray movie bitrate is ~40Mbps average. (including audio bitrate). Issue are servers mostly :x Giving 100 Mbps line to everyone ain't that hard, having servers being able to handle that is another story.


It's a good point you bring up about the ease of 100 Mbps lines. Current laid copper wiring, can already reach 4x the output of Fiber Optics, it's just how the data is sent through.

I read about it a few years back, found a link for hose interested in a good read.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-04-02 22:01:18
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Jackel said:
Atrithk said:
720p streaming requires an average connection speed of about 110 MB/s. Not megabits. MegaBYTES.
Enjoy your scam.


FoF (Full of Fail)

720p would require around 12-15 Mbps for artifact free streaming. 15 Mbps equaling 1.875 MB (Megabytes) or roughly a download of 1920 kilobytes per second.

Could you say that in away for us who have no clue what you just said? =\
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-02 22:05:19
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Ludoggy said:

Could you say that in away for us who have no clue what you just said? =\


He just said you can stream 720p with a normal DSL line :] As I said earlier, H.264 exists, (and compression in general) too.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-04-02 22:07:30
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Antipika said:
Ludoggy said:

Could you say that in away for us who have no clue what you just said? =\


He just said you can stream 720p with a normal DSL line :] As I said earlier, H.264 exists, (and compression in general) too.

So many big words DX
Thank you.
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By Ramuh.Jackel 2009-04-02 22:09:00
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Ludoggy said:
Jackel said:
Atrithk said:
720p streaming requires an average connection speed of about 110 MB/s. Not megabits. MegaBYTES.
Enjoy your scam.


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720p would require around 12-15 Mbps for artifact free streaming. 15 Mbps equaling 1.875 MB (Megabytes) or roughly a download of 1920 kilobytes per second.

Could you say that in away for us who have no clue what you just said? =\


Sure. More or less someone claimed you'd need 110 Megabytes per second download to be able to stream 720p. That's the same as 112,640 Kilobytes. Most ISP's offer speeds such as 1-3-5-10 Megabit services.
So imagine when you download a song, if you have a 3 Megabit connection, you'd be downloading at a little over 300 kilobytes per second.

So in a nutshell, based on what one of the previous poster said, most of you would need a connection speed 40x faster then the average broadband speed JUST to stream 720p, which is way off track and not accurate in the least.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-04-02 22:13:16
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oh o.o
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-02 22:16:48
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which is way off track and not accurate in the least.


...and not even physically possible. A hard drive alone (no raid) don't even reach a 110 MB/s sustained write speed (except if it's a very expensive -recent- SSD). So downloading at 110 MB/s per second ain't even possible.

Not to mention that with Gigabyte Ethernet it wouldn't work, max speed is typically around 700~800 Mbits/s. You'll never be able to reach exactly 1,024 Mbit/s.
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By Lakshmi.Wardens 2009-04-02 23:33:18
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Frobeus said:
Will there eventually be an end to console gaming, most likely.

Will this be the cause? Unlikely.


Agreed.
Another service perhaps similar to this one would have to be refined a few times to stand a chance of making console gaming obsolete.
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By Midgardsormr.Agebe 2009-04-03 04:07:47
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Regardless of what anyone says, this will not work. OnLive is stupid. Many, many companies can try, but as of now and for years to come, each and every one will fail, and fail horribly. Just look and what happened to the Phantom. Is online streaming good? Sure. Will it work at the speed they say it will? Physically impossible. And, even if it was to work, OnLive would fail due to people not using it. Having to pay for playing a game EVERYTIME you play it? Just look at FFXI. About what? 12 bucks a month to play. Now, tell me, do you really think that you'll move to something that may cost roughly 5-7 bucks (due to it being new and all) everytime you play it? No. That's why this HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE *** OnLive Internet ruler wanna-be company wont go through. Agreed with Frobeus. Will there be an end to console gaming? Sure mostlikely. Will OnLive do it? Frob says unlikely.. I say hell no. Console gaming will still very much be around for years to come. And plain and simple, The rivals Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo, being rivals, will learn "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and they will team up and not allow this.
 
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By Seraph.Kyaaadaa 2009-04-03 04:48:08
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Death of consoles? Go play RE5 and tell me its dead...
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By Hades.Darkclavat 2009-04-03 07:22:52
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No futher for console, Don't make me laugh....

No futher for online Video game streaming: Reasons: Connections are to slow, to slow loading time, You can't play offline, when you're internet is out you can't play anything >_< , Most connection are shared so that everyone can go on internet at home whit this system no Speed left for other peoples.

Solution = Dowloading and then playing the game.

Already have enough storage on our own.
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By Pandemonium.Kajidourden 2009-04-03 07:41:31
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Jackel said:
Atrithk said:
720p streaming requires an average connection speed of about 110 MB/s. Not megabits. MegaBYTES.
Enjoy your scam.


FoF (Full of Fail)

720p would require around 12-15 Mbps for artifact free streaming. 15 Mbps equaling 1.875 MB (Megabytes) or roughly a download of 1920 kilobytes per second.

Antipika said:
Nepharite said:
There is already more broadband solutions coming in the new future, like mobile broadband 4g, its supposed to have upload/download speeds that could rival/beat current cable/dsl broadband.

With new broadband technologies like this, it is possible. Like is there even a reason to buy blurays anymore if you can stream hd movies?


You can already stream HD movie with a 100Mbits line. A bluray movie bitrate is ~40Mbps average. (including audio bitrate). Issue are servers mostly :x Giving 100 Mbps line to everyone ain't that hard, having servers being able to handle that is another story.


It's a good point you bring up about the ease of 100 Mbps lines. Current laid copper wiring, can already reach 4x the output of Fiber Optics, it's just how the data is sent through.

I read about it a few years back, found a link for hose interested in a good read.


In regards to that... its still experimental, so it doesn't really count lol.

Edit: Also, that system would potentially be more of a pain than a help, as it would cause massive bleed over onto other pairs being terminated for use in other homes.....
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By Garuda.Kaden 2009-04-03 08:25:17
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Who ever said that consoles are on the decline is a putz. they just had one of the best years in the gaming industry console side and they keep breaking their own records year after year. ya, I don't think Console gaming is gonna die for quite some time. OnLive is most likely going to end up like the Phantom did. Dead in a ditch somewhere, where everyone can pass by it and at the same time, Point and Laugh at it.

also, <3 Blu-Ray.
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By Unicorn.Ixn 2009-04-03 09:13:49
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Only thing i saw was blah blah blah blah then hey look something about DSi. lulz
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