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 Fenrir.Minjo
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-03-21 10:08:19
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It would be a combination effort of doing Dynamis daily while doing some other something for an income. It would take a fair degree of determination, but that's inclusive in his point: if you want something badly enough, you can get it.

Conversely you could just cruor burn for weeks on end. If our server's resident vocally inclined moron can handle it, I'm sure anyone else could.
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2012-03-21 10:26:30
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Ramuh.Laffter said: »
Phoenix.Neosutra said: »
Also, "this is my only job" is pretty irrelevant in this day in age, when you can 99 a job in a day, max gear it in a week, and put a relic on it in 1-2 months (solo).
Not arguing, but what kind of player do you have to be to do this?

Just a dedicated one. Not even a very bright one. Few ways to quickly obtain relic:

1. Solo farm or duo dynamis every day. - 72.4 days to complete a relic if soloing 200 currency a day. Double that timeline if you're splitting currency. Cut that time line in half if you use mules to farm dynamis more than once a day.

2. Make Exp/Cruor burn parties (literally anyone and any job can do this..). If you have a cleave job, charge alliance spots. If not, focus on cruor burning, and turn that cruor into choco blinkers (2.62 gil per blinker).

3. Salvage - Trioing SSR nets you another 3-400k a day per person.

4. VW - Just spamming Qilins for heavy plate and pouches should net you a few hundred k a day.

5. Fishing, Synergy, Crafting (-1s still sell well, and people still buy the abj tatters from sky, which is piss easy to farm and sell).

6. Sky/Sea pop farming. - Piss easy to low man, pops for upper tier NMs sell for decent gil still. If you can kill AV (again, piss easy now), you can sell Sash for 5-10mil, and other rings for couple mil each.

Start with #1 and work your way down doing what is feasible with your play time. It's so easy to make money in the game right now that I'm really surprised everyone isn't capped on jobs and on their 5-6th relic.
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By Cerberus.Funond 2012-03-21 11:08:47
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Phoenix.Tsuekasa said: »
Got a question for a friend who is playing a Paladin. He's working on both his relic and Empy Shield but until then, what are some good shields to be using for tanking puproses?

Since no one actually answered your question other than the usual bs here are a couple of suggestions:

Skill: Bloom Buckler - get it to cap
Capped skill: Castellan's Shield, Thuellaic Ecu or Weathering Shield depending on how nasty the target is and your budget.

Guessing weapon would be Shikargar, Skeld Sword, or Honorbound based on how long you need to hold the mob for your newer LS and mages to hit procs.

Easy low budget options until the empy or relic gets off the ground.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2012-03-21 11:55:48
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Cerberus.Funond said: »
Phoenix.Tsuekasa said: »
Got a question for a friend who is playing a Paladin. He's working on both his relic and Empy Shield but until then, what are some good shields to be using for tanking puproses?

Capped skill: Castellan's Shield, Thuellaic Ecu or Weathering Shield depending on how nasty the target is and your budget.

No, just no. There is never a time that a tower or round shield is worth using.

There's a dmg reduction comparison between various shields, including Castellan's, in this thread. One of my posts, actually.

I don't have time to find it again atm, but I'll post a link after work.

But long story short, Csatellan's is garbage. Use Bucklers for skill up, and size 3 for tanking. Stay away from tower/round.

Weathering is a good option. So is majorelle.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-03-21 12:11:31
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Agree on Castellan's being a no-no, but I'd presume that the Ecu was suggested for its haste+2%. Given that they're just moving into Abyssea, it's not unreasonable to think that this person lacks haste gear. Not ideal for tanking by any means, but it's Abyssea.

Cerberus.Funond said: »
the usual bs
Please, explain how being practical is "***". I don't like how skewed Abyssea is towards certain jobs, but I'm not going to disregard it either. Being dead weight is never a good feeling.

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He is thinking of taking Red to 99 next.
Please, encourage him to level a different job. RDM is even worse off than PLD, inside and outside Abyssea.

Phoenix.Neosutra said: »
It's so easy to make money in the game right now that I'm really surprised everyone isn't capped on jobs and on their 5-6th relic.
Work, life, lack of *** given, etc. If relics had been this easy to make in 2007 I'd be more inclined to agree, not so much now.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-03-21 12:31:21
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Phoenix.Neosutra said: »
Ramuh.Laffter said: »
Phoenix.Neosutra said: »
Also, "this is my only job" is pretty irrelevant in this day in age, when you can 99 a job in a day, max gear it in a week, and put a relic on it in 1-2 months (solo).
Not arguing, but what kind of player do you have to be to do this?

Just a dedicated one. Not even a very bright one. Few ways to quickly obtain relic:

1. Solo farm or duo dynamis every day. - 72.4 days to complete a relic if soloing 200 currency a day. Double that timeline if you're splitting currency. Cut that time line in half if you use mules to farm dynamis more than once a day.

2. Make Exp/Cruor burn parties (literally anyone and any job can do this..). If you have a cleave job, charge alliance spots. If not, focus on cruor burning, and turn that cruor into choco blinkers (2.62 gil per blinker).

3. Salvage - Trioing SSR nets you another 3-400k a day per person.

4. VW - Just spamming Qilins for heavy plate and pouches should net you a few hundred k a day.

5. Fishing, Synergy, Crafting (-1s still sell well, and people still buy the abj tatters from sky, which is piss easy to farm and sell).

6. Sky/Sea pop farming. - Piss easy to low man, pops for upper tier NMs sell for decent gil still. If you can kill AV (again, piss easy now), you can sell Sash for 5-10mil, and other rings for couple mil each.

Start with #1 and work your way down doing what is feasible with your play time. It's so easy to make money in the game right now that I'm really surprised everyone isn't capped on jobs and on their 5-6th relic.
Pretty good tips. Thanks.

I'm always complaining about needing gil but somehow never think of these things or just don't wanna do 'em. >__>
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2012-03-21 12:46:11
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Quote:
He is thinking of taking Red to 99 next.
RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM RDM
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2012-03-21 14:38:10
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That comparison I was talking about earlier. From this post

Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Code
Shield TDT vs 105 mob
Gear+->		+0		+52
Skill->		404		456
Castellan's	-13.6%	-23.7%
Gleaming	-21.4%	-27.6%
Aegis*		-27.5%	-36.1%
Ochain 		-60.8%	-64.7%**

*Projection based on the diff between size 3 and aegis block rate, and reported Aegis DMG-.
 -77.5%(75%+2.5% SDB Based on Neo's testing)
**Ochain Capped block rate at 433 skill. 
All values are without Creed hands.

I suppose I should update that comparison and replace the Aegis projection with my actual Aegis data, but I don't really feel like it. <,<;
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2012-03-21 15:59:02
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
It would be a combination effort of doing Dynamis daily while doing some other something for an income. It would take a fair degree of determination, but that's inclusive in his point: if you want something badly enough, you can get it.

Conversely you could just cruor burn for weeks on end. If our server's resident vocally inclined moron can handle it, I'm sure anyone else could.
Completely off topic but I'm dying to know who you're talking about.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-03-21 16:01:40
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Fenrir.Yuriki said: »
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
It would be a combination effort of doing Dynamis daily while doing some other something for an income. It would take a fair degree of determination, but that's inclusive in his point: if you want something badly enough, you can get it.

Conversely you could just cruor burn for weeks on end. If our server's resident vocally inclined moron can handle it, I'm sure anyone else could.
Completely off topic but I'm dying to know who you're talking about.
Lack of relic, etc. I asked what kind of person would be able to earn a mil or more a day. Got good answers.

Backreading is nice.

Also, whoosh once I realized you mean the person Minjo is speaking of on their server. <__<
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2012-03-21 16:10:39
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Ramuh.Laffter said: »
Fenrir.Yuriki said: »
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
It would be a combination effort of doing Dynamis daily while doing some other something for an income. It would take a fair degree of determination, but that's inclusive in his point: if you want something badly enough, you can get it.

Conversely you could just cruor burn for weeks on end. If our server's resident vocally inclined moron can handle it, I'm sure anyone else could.
Completely off topic but I'm dying to know who you're talking about.
Lack of relic, etc. I asked what kind of person would be able to earn a mil or more a day. Got good answers.

Backreading is nice.

Also, whoosh once I realized you mean the person Minjo is speaking of on their server. <__<

Shhh, I'm trying to listen to the server gossip!
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By Asura.Izilder 2012-04-16 12:18:08
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Im trying to tweak a PLD SC and ive run into an issue regarding a rule for when shadows are up or down and i wish to swap between the TP set for shadows up and Idle set when shadow are down - anyone help?

Your text to link here...
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-04-16 12:26:25
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It's really best to utilize autoexec to aid with this since shadows are up and down constantly and you'd have to run a spell through to have SC check the variables and gear the right set and it may not even have it right most times.
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By Bahamut.Oakozric 2012-04-27 11:54:51
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Sorry in advance if I missed this (didn't read all 15 pages before this one) but the following link in the OP is broken:
http://kanican.livejournal.com/tag/enmity%20table

Is there an updated link where I can view this Enmity table?
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-04-27 12:07:30
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Enmity Table
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-04-30 22:12:33
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best tp set?
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By Valefor.Omerta 2012-05-01 10:59:09
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Rancor collar and a -def ring in tp set? -def ring isnt mch of an isue but surely rancor is a bit backwards
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By Carbuncle.Sambb 2012-05-01 11:05:25
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I guess it would be for the better crit hit rate during tp phase...

Against fodder mobs it isnt really an issue to be wearing that neck. Anything worth a damn though maybe pcc or something would be more suitable for the acc or what ever.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-05-01 11:06:21
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With ochain, physical damage isn't going to matter much especially if you have a whm behind you. And you can macro for spells or magical tp moves.

If you're not in any risk of dying, you may as well unload on the mob ^^
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By Carbuncle.Sambb 2012-05-01 11:09:23
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"you may as well unload on the mob"

Sounds wrong lol
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-05-06 10:41:10
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Bored and updated PLD sets. Thoughts on improvements are more than welcome^^
TP:


Aegis Bloodtanking:


Ochain Bloodtanking:


Aegis MDT:
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-05-06 11:12:02
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Portus Annulet looks pretty useless, and Phorcys are probably better than AF+1.
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By Asura.Leairc 2012-07-27 15:01:27
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Take me to the place you call "Halls of Mul," and show me the one who is named: "Paramount Gallu."

In the name of the God, I shalt slay this beast. OH HE WILL FEAR the subligar......... ! ! !
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2012-10-17 16:05:04
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Is the CDC ws set up to date? If not can someone post a set that is good but not impossible to get?
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-11-20 18:36:11
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Making base gear sets for a friend, but haven't paid much attention to pld since back at like 90. Am I off the mark on anything?

TP:


CDC:


Req:
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By Lakshmi.Phaffi 2012-11-20 19:30:35
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do they already have fulad/huginn gear or the ability to get them? that's a moderately high bar for base sets.

also i might look at drachenhorn over twilight once you got attack food maybe?
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2012-11-20 20:12:02
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Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Making base gear sets for a friend, but haven't paid much attention to pld since back at like 90. Am I off the mark on anything?

TP:


CDC:


Req:

Thanks a lot for this. I just got pld to HL earlier today & i was digging through pld topics *for the first time..ever* but couldnt find sets that seemed really up-to-date. Although some of this is still a far stretch from what my budget can afford, its nice to know what to aim for DD-wise. Most of this looks on point except maybe the d-horn thing like mentioned, but its situational.

Im not going to use my pld on a lot of HL content *its rocking an Adamas & i dont have plans of upgrading shield for a long time*, but I wanted to know what i should aim for other than pdt/dt on a gear set towards holding adds in vw. This is assuming -20% pdt in atmacites unless there are other atmacites i should use for this
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-11-20 20:20:40
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Lakshmi.Phaffi said: »
do they already have fulad/huginn gear or the ability to get them? that's a moderately high bar for base sets.

also i might look at drachenhorn over twilight once you got attack food maybe?
I think he has everything but the phos+1. By base set I ment before acc swaps or something. And I had honestly forgot drachenhorn existed, thank you^^
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2012-11-21 15:40:50
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I'm in law school right now, so not playing. If people have updated Pld info or sets they want me to include in the original post, please post them here and I'll update the OP when I get time(after finals).
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By Fenrir.Evildemon 2012-12-22 13:40:27
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Anyone have a more current pld spellcast with excal, aegis and ochain sets
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