Ukko's Vs Tachi: Fudo

I'd like to see the variety of damage across the servers, screenshots would be nice also. I'd also like to take a look at the different ws sets that made it happen.

"Brews No Thanks"

Ukko's > Fudo

i honestly cant answer that, i have access to neither of those, but would point out if your going for one of the 2 weapons that might want to keep in mind outside of abby for up incoming updates...chances are w/o atmas sam is gonna turn into the top DD again or close and fudo will probably out do ukko's more often, just a educated guess tho my war is 50 so its hard to call but going by ws mods and such fudo will probably slaughter ukko's out of abby

Their dmg is very similar outside of abyssea actually, idk which one that avarage out better tho

Fudo does more damage outside of abyssea. Who cares inside abyssea.

wow that impresses me actually, lol like i said i have no clue but ws modifiers kinda make fudo look like a god ws compared to most all of the others

Vs Ukko there's a 0.65ftp difference, but Ukko can crit.
So yeah I guess, unless dDex is capped, which should be pretty easy vs most content outside at the moment, Fudo should win.
But, I'm not a very mathy-person so dont take this as facts.

Fudo is nothing special, Ukko's destroys it inside Abyssea due to the nature of crits. Outside they are comparable, although the spikes on Ukko's can be impressive.

Also, Ukko's looks/sounds better.

I beg to differ.

Would you like a cookie for that?

Ukko's animation is too damn long imo..

Damage wise, inside abyssea Ukko's is very powerful. It has the edge over Fudo due to crits... Outside of Abyssea, with current content, Ukko's can still be pushed to force crit w/ dDEX, but yea, fudo makes up a lot of ground. It's still a toss up though as to which DD is better outside, going to depend on how SE handles new content.

I'm sorry, since when were samurai the best DD?

A damn well geared warrior will outparse the samurai.

WAR just has a lot more natural DDing capabilities, I have no trouble believing Ukko's remains a head outside.

Lol, ukko's > Fudo. In every situation. But also, Drakesbane > Fudo too. :D

Ukko's has higher maximum damage, Fudo is more consistent, not having to rely on a crit, though has it's own drawback of being more likely to miss entirely than a 2 hit.

This is the most relevant post I can recall.

The parse is dated October 24th, so the level cap was 85 at the time, and it was taken in a T2 Einherjar chamber. Buffs aren't listed, gear is not shown, and the variety of monsters are not noted, so it is by no means a definitive answer. However, it somewhat shows that Tachi: Fudo and Ukko's Fury are comparatively close outside of Abyssea, and there's even someone using Torcleaver to compare to as well.

Pretty much this^

Looking at fudo averaging higher than 3.81 ftp esp with the earring, while ukko averaging around 3.55ftp. Fudo sam has more str in gear over war(probably 20-30 more str, thats 10-15wsc more). Fudo sam also gets 19% ws dmg increase, although having DDs spread around the mob could hurt your ws average if the mob isnt facing you during ws.

What ukko has going for it is that it can crit, has bloodrage but thats only up 20% of the time, and it has restraint, which is only up 50% of the time.

Like Darka said, Ukko has a better spike damage but Fudo has more consistant damage.

HAHAHAHAHA don't make me laugh. All I ever see inside and outside of abyssea is Ukko war's tearing the ***out of fudo sams. Hence why I started making a Ukon but been busy with other stuff to finish it atm.

Since when a job is the best DD in the game (outside pure maths removing all doubts)? I thought it was all based on if the player is good or not and if the gear is following, or not. Also, the SAM is allowed to be well geared, too.

Inb4 FFXI no skill/brain etc.

The right answer has been said many times:


Anyone saying "Ukko's > Fudo period, lol" is pretty much as smart as a guy comparing Grant and Rock Howard's worth in Garou.

Jelly mad.

That's a vested interest.... Fudo would naturally scale better without RR and the massive dex you get inside abysssea. If you really saw it being THAT much of a one-sided race you were watching people fight EP, OR you just read 1000 people on bandwagonhouse forums saying UKKOS IS DA BETTER and assumed that meant outside abyssea too.

I'd have no problem believing a properly equipped Fudo SAM could beat a properl equipped Ukon WAR outside of Abyssea.

Inside Aby though there's no fair match.

Inside Abyssea yes, I really see no hope when I play SAM and there is a "good" Ukon WAR. Outside Abyssea it's not as impresive, especially when the gear choices are not backed up by atmas.

WAR is squishy.

typical clueless response from someone who bothered to try and create apocalypse

anyways, even outside with no razed ruins, ukko's fury can and will spike higher than fudo, but in the end fudo offers a much more reliable weapon skill average, which when pairing each against one-another, honestly as it stands currently, if you've got one, don't bother with the other as far as strictly outside abyssea goes, they're that close, but to be precise, i'm almost positive fudo will outmatch ukko's fury in the long run, though just barely

i've mentioned it before, but once again, samurai's lost a ton of ground over the course of this year thanks to mediocre increases for the job (primarily job abilities and traits, though gear as well to an exent) compared to warrior, or even monk

perhaps this will change by ninety-nine, but for now, seeing how you (original poster) happen to have ukonvasara already, i highly recommend not investing your time in building a masamune just yet, since as stated, they're practically neck and neck outside

on an outgoing note, i had a brainwave the other day: imagine if they gave samurai access to gandiva :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:DD:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D



your tp set is confused, but so is your statement by-extension, so i digress

torcleaver ok?

thanks for the offer, BUT I'LL HAVE TO PASS

though it'll be a lot more acceptable to bring drk along and around after today :D:D:D:D::D

telling you, gonna gear that ***and have cala and the world will know the presence of

TOR

CLEAVER

just realized visual kinship will diminish if i do so, sadnow

I appreciate all the opinions but... Is anyone going to actually post anything relevant to the actual thread? All I asked for is actual screen shot if possible so I... better yet "we" can get a visual if not that's cool.