I wanna introduce my idea how PLD can be better solo DD/tank in low man situation in abyssea and better for cleave then any other job
I called it "Hundred Shields" because it was first thing that came to my mind
Samples in both movies are pretty small but that's because I wanted to make them fast. Cleave should work on almost any mobs. If you are solo then EP-DC for non mnk mobs and T-IT for MNK mobs. If you have a healer then probably all of them. As for the fighting NM this way I know it's a little risky and need some preparation before the fight but doesn't ppl whining for how easy and boring are fights now?
Anyway I hope you enjoy this idea:
Cleave:
Movie 1
NM:
movie 2
"Hundred Shields" PLD :)
"Hundred shields" PLD :)
thats rather impressive. but i think "hundred shields" is kinda of a lame name >_> i like "Cleaving Wall of Justice"better
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Well looks great for building amber solo, but WAR+WHM still beats the ***out of this for fast killing.
BRD+WAR+WHM beats the *** ***out of the NM thing too- same number of people assuming your WHM is decent, although I doubt it would work as well on more powerful NMs like bukhis...
Either way Ochain is one hell of a trial to get, and the fact that it's NEEDED for PLD to be remotely useful is kinda lulzy...
BRD+WAR+WHM beats the *** ***out of the NM thing too- same number of people assuming your WHM is decent, although I doubt it would work as well on more powerful NMs like bukhis...
Either way Ochain is one hell of a trial to get, and the fact that it's NEEDED for PLD to be remotely useful is kinda lulzy...
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Will give credit where credit is due. Good ***
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Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
thats rather impressive. but i think "hundred shields" is kinda of a lame name >_> i like "Cleaving Wall of Justice"better
Haha I like it too :D
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and suddently pld is tp DD go figure... -.- we almost done with our LS ochain should be interesting ^^
That's pretty *** awesome what you came up with haha.
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Well looks great for building amber solo, but WAR+WHM still beats the ***out of this for fast killing.
Imo it isn't. War killing process will be a little faster like 5 sec instead of 10 with 20 mobs but on PLD I can pull 20-30 mobs easily when on WAR it require WHM following me all the time and it still can be risky. Fell cleave also have very poor AoE range and usually with many mobs you need to finish some of them with hits. I need to position good on PLD only if I solo. If I have a healer then I can pull 20+ mobs and just stay in center and Aedge will hit mobs behind me also.
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
BRD+WAR+WHM beats the *** ***out of the NM thing too- same number of people assuming your WHM is decent, although I doubt it would work as well on more powerful NMs like bukhis...
3rd person was BLM for yellow.
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Either way Ochain is one hell of a trial to get, and the fact that it's NEEDED for PLD to be remotely useful is kinda lulzy...
Ehhh... It's not about "What to do to compete with WARs and MNKs on PLD" It's about "What you can do if you have Empys" that's all XD
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Lol I wondered about this when ochain block rate first came out but most poeple discounted the tp gain from blocking adding to DD capability cause they were too busy lolplding.
Also as far as the war thing goes... if he still has the same whm as he had when I was with them there's no way he'd survive pulling more mobs than he could've done solo on war :(.
Btw Ato how is our I can't cast cures whm doing? She finally get 90 pld so she could start lvling whm from75 74 ;)
Also as far as the war thing goes... if he still has the same whm as he had when I was with them there's no way he'd survive pulling more mobs than he could've done solo on war :(.
Btw Ato how is our I can't cast cures whm doing? She finally get 90 pld so she could start lvling whm from
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Ramuh.Atoreis said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Well looks great for building amber solo, but WAR+WHM still beats the ***out of this for fast killing.
Imo it isn't. War killing process will be a little faster like 5 sec instead of 10 with 20 mobs but on PLD I can pull 20-30 mobs easily when on WAR it require WHM following me all the time and it still can be risky. Fell cleave also have very poor AoE range and usually with many mobs you need to finish some of them with hits. I need to position good on PLD only if I solo. If I have a healer then I can pull 20+ mobs and just stay in center and Aedge will hit mobs behind me also.
I guess with only two people that's true, If I'm fell cleaving I usually have 1-2 DNC or THF with me though. More power to you if you can only do it with two.
On the other hand if blue chests are dropping and you have a RDM/SCH with you, you can defender, phalanx II, AoE stoneskin then pull, pop Mighty Strikes and Blood Rage and kill them all in 1~2 hits depending on the stragglers. Pop ISL, repeat. Revitalizer if ISL doesn't drop, or you're going strictly for Gold chests.
Ramuh.Atoreis said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
BRD+WAR+WHM beats the *** ***out of the NM thing too- same number of people assuming your WHM is decent, although I doubt it would work as well on more powerful NMs like bukhis...
3rd person was BLM for yellow.
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Either way Ochain is one hell of a trial to get, and the fact that it's NEEDED for PLD to be remotely useful is kinda lulzy...
Ehhh... It's not about "What to do to compete with WARs and MNKs on PLD" It's about "What you can do if you have Empys" that's all XD
Well more power to you for being able to do so much as PLD.
i want an ochain now, how long did it take you
Azdaja part 4 days and half was done with brew for speed things up. Other half was done mnk/blm whm whm thf for both cleave chest for KI and fight.
Souls part took like week +
I had 20 plates from spamming Pantokrator and remaining 30 I dual boxed with MNK + WHM in 6-7h.
Souls part took like week +
I had 20 plates from spamming Pantokrator and remaining 30 I dual boxed with MNK + WHM in 6-7h.
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
I guess with only two people that's true, If I'm fell cleaving I usually have 1-2 DNC or THF with me though. More power to you if you can only do it with two. On the other hand if blue chests are dropping and you have a RDM/SCH with you, you can defender, phalanx II, AoE stoneskin then pull, pop Mighty Strikes and Blood Rage and kill them all in 1~2 hits depending on the stragglers. Pop ISL, repeat. Revitalizer if ISL doesn't drop, or you're going strictly for Gold chests.
tbh with Ochain pld pulling "1" family of mobs is rather poor sause.... in mis cost u "could" pull bombs+spectors+bats+pink birdys... that is easy 100+mobs(all link or aggro or both ^^) and u will prob kill them in under 30 seconds... so ur 2hr will prob outlast the rape.
Ochain is sick but unsure how it will hold up V the bats def down TP move only reason i said 2hr since that could screw u over on the whole 1-2dmg per hit thing ^^
what u think?
Ochain is sick but unsure how it will hold up V the bats def down TP move only reason i said 2hr since that could screw u over on the whole 1-2dmg per hit thing ^^
what u think?
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Asura.Jaybezz said:
tbh with Ochain pld pulling "1" family of mobs is rather poor sause.... in mis cost u "could" pull bombs+spectors+bats+pink birdys... that is easy 100+mobs(all link or aggro or both ^^) and u will prob kill them in under 30 seconds... so ur 2hr will prob outlast the rape.
Ochain is sick but unsure how it will hold up V the bats def down TP move only reason i said 2hr since that could screw u over on the whole 1-2dmg per hit thing ^^
what u think?
Ochain is sick but unsure how it will hold up V the bats def down TP move only reason i said 2hr since that could screw u over on the whole 1-2dmg per hit thing ^^
what u think?
Maybe some day lol
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
I guess with only two people that's true, If I'm fell cleaving I usually have 1-2 DNC or THF with me though. More power to you if you can only do it with two. On the other hand if blue chests are dropping and you have a RDM/SCH with you, you can defender, phalanx II, AoE stoneskin then pull, pop Mighty Strikes and Blood Rage and kill them all in 1~2 hits depending on the stragglers. Pop ISL, repeat. Revitalizer if ISL doesn't drop, or you're going strictly for Gold chests.
You could, and yeah solo, but I don't see that being as fast as mighty strikes + fell cleave, considering you have to check all those chests solo when the war can sit there and open the chests while someone pulls. But hell, BLU can do all this solo without 2hour too lol, and probably alot faster if allowed to pop 2hour chests and all that jazz. Killing massive amounts of mobs in short periods of time doesn't need 3 SMNs and astral flow anymore...
The more impressive thing is doing Bukhis with such a small amount of people. That thing can be a real headache sometimes if it takes cruor buffs off and HP downs you D:
Nice videos but idk, that looks as fast as a blu can do it.
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
Nice videos but idk, that looks as fast as a blu can do it.
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I noticed something interesting the other day while raising my shield skill. mobs didn't do tp moves until I engaged.
and yeah I grabbed a kite shield and 3 regen atmas and just stood in 1 spot while 2~3 pachypodiums were attacking me
and yeah I grabbed a kite shield and 3 regen atmas and just stood in 1 spot while 2~3 pachypodiums were attacking me
Ramuh.Atoreis said:
Asura.Jaybezz said:
tbh with Ochain pld pulling "1" family of mobs is rather poor sause.... in mis cost u "could" pull bombs+spectors+bats+pink birdys... that is easy 100+mobs(all link or aggro or both ^^) and u will prob kill them in under 30 seconds... so ur 2hr will prob outlast the rape.
Ochain is sick but unsure how it will hold up V the bats def down TP move only reason i said 2hr since that could screw u over on the whole 1-2dmg per hit thing ^^
what u think?
Ochain is sick but unsure how it will hold up V the bats def down TP move only reason i said 2hr since that could screw u over on the whole 1-2dmg per hit thing ^^
what u think?
Maybe some day lol
only saying since our Ochain is on horn(11/75) stage and he goes down like a pussy cat with blade HI + victroy + ukon +fudo if i can be assed coming sam (pro red and zerg pro stuff) lol 100k doesnt mean anythingk know adays when u can do 5-6k Ws's ^^
but Ochain defo saved pld
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Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
I guess with only two people that's true, If I'm fell cleaving I usually have 1-2 DNC or THF with me though. More power to you if you can only do it with two. On the other hand if blue chests are dropping and you have a RDM/SCH with you, you can defender, phalanx II, AoE stoneskin then pull, pop Mighty Strikes and Blood Rage and kill them all in 1~2 hits depending on the stragglers. Pop ISL, repeat. Revitalizer if ISL doesn't drop, or you're going strictly for Gold chests.
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Nice videos but idk, that looks as fast as a blu can do it.
I meant the cleaving part lol, not the TP gain. It takes me two spells to destroy everything w/o getting clipped w/engage and them stunning you into that animation. Also not having to position them.
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That is in reference to the "I used to cleave on BLU to lvl mules"
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
I guess with only two people that's true, If I'm fell cleaving I usually have 1-2 DNC or THF with me though. More power to you if you can only do it with two. On the other hand if blue chests are dropping and you have a RDM/SCH with you, you can defender, phalanx II, AoE stoneskin then pull, pop Mighty Strikes and Blood Rage and kill them all in 1~2 hits depending on the stragglers. Pop ISL, repeat. Revitalizer if ISL doesn't drop, or you're going strictly for Gold chests.
... who in their right mind would do that... I mean there's no reason for anyone to do that on RDM unless going for TE quickly... There's like 20k exp tops in the amount of time it would take you to build TE to an agreeable amount.
Not to say I don't agree with you, because people hear 'free leech spot' and jump at the opportunity. They just aren't in their right mind.
On that note 1 WAR 1 DNC and 16 leeches subbing WHM (hopefully one above lvl 45 for cure III) will let you charge 16 people for leech spots. Some people are willing to pay upwards of 500k, rumors of 1mil, for a spot. Maybe not faster than getting lucky farming dark rings but thats a lot of cruor too.
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Nice videos but idk, that looks as fast as a blu can do it.
Well I didn't specify why it was faster then blu/rdm for me on cleave part. Game have bug and If you kill too much mobs at the same time you will get exp for maybe 4 of them or even none. It's not chat log bug. We tested this a lot checking exp after every pull of 20+ mobs and after killing them with exp capped on 590 per one we were getting like 0-2k exp (only this exp which was in chat). So only way was either do small pulls or do big pull and kill them in groups. On blu I was doing the second with dream charged dream then finishing with BT targeting 8-10 with conal range. PLD on the other hand was great for small pulls (the on in the movie was just for the movie). What made PLD faster overall was no preparation between pulls beside Phalanx when on BLU its 4-5 spells and on big pulls you need to slow down to not deaggro mobs.
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good job atoreis. its nice vid ^^
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Bahamut.Alukat said:
good job atoreis. its nice vid ^^
Thank you ^^
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
I guess with only two people that's true, If I'm fell cleaving I usually have 1-2 DNC or THF with me though. More power to you if you can only do it with two. On the other hand if blue chests are dropping and you have a RDM/SCH with you, you can defender, phalanx II, AoE stoneskin then pull, pop Mighty Strikes and Blood Rage and kill them all in 1~2 hits depending on the stragglers. Pop ISL, repeat. Revitalizer if ISL doesn't drop, or you're going strictly for Gold chests.
On that note 1 WAR 1 DNC and 16 leeches subbing WHM (hopefully one above lvl 45 for cure III) will let you charge 16 people for leech spots. Some people are willing to pay upwards of 500k, rumors of 1mil, for a spot. Maybe not faster than getting lucky farming dark rings but thats a lot of cruor too.
Reason why? Because you can do it solo really fast? Because chainspelling all the time is fun? Besides it requires like no thought or ability? Last time I did it took me all of about 30-40 min to cap azure/pearl solo and from there on TEs just flowed and was super easy. Run up hit key maccro hit chainspell hit blizz IV maccro ALOT convert go to another isl profit
You don't need any other person to do anything but open chest (don't actually need that but yeah I'm cheap when it comes to cruor). You also don't lose mobs from the pulls or lose chest from them being all bunched up. Have to buff for pulls etc.
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Leonlionheart said:
I guess with only two people that's true, If I'm fell cleaving I usually have 1-2 DNC or THF with me though. More power to you if you can only do it with two. On the other hand if blue chests are dropping and you have a RDM/SCH with you, you can defender, phalanx II, AoE stoneskin then pull, pop Mighty Strikes and Blood Rage and kill them all in 1~2 hits depending on the stragglers. Pop ISL, repeat. Revitalizer if ISL doesn't drop, or you're going strictly for Gold chests.
... who in their right mind would do that... I mean there's no reason for anyone to do that on RDM unless going for TE quickly... There's like 20k exp tops in the amount of time it would take you to build TE to an agreeable amount.
Not to say I don't agree with you, because people hear 'free leech spot' and jump at the opportunity. They just aren't in their right mind.
On that note 1 WAR 1 DNC and 16 leeches subbing WHM (hopefully one above lvl 45 for cure III) will let you charge 16 people for leech spots. Some people are willing to pay upwards of 500k, rumors of 1mil, for a spot. Maybe not faster than getting lucky farming dark rings but thats a lot of cruor too.
when i did imp trial (occ 2-4 attacks axe for bst,i did it solo) i asked ls mates if they want to leech dom ops.they left abyss after 2 hours with ~45k exp.
another time i had a war who helped doing it, we had many TE drops after ~50 minutes. just did pearl kills and opened azure of red chests.
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