INT+ Over Magic Atk Bonus?

Lol insta cast on stun. Now I know you are trolling. Insta cast on the 1-4 proc spells you cast per fight.. oh yeah that's so useful. Ya for saving a couple of seconds casting. Lot's of nms with hate reset... yeah sure a small handful.

Those debuffs could save the blms life easy. That -emnity lets the tank get hate back faster. And show me this set your blm uses that caps him -emnity so everyone can laugh at anyone actually casting in it.

Safety nets are aren't safety nets if you can avoid needing them easily every time. They are either useless or crutches at that point

Oh lawdy.

I know it must be hard concept to get that if you have less emnity it is easier for a tank to get it back... oh wait no it isn't. Ya know I've tanked on thf... and you know what no one has ever died from the hate reset when I did.

Don't worry I'm still laughing at insta casting a spell that normally cast so fast you couldn't interupt it even if you started moving slightly before the cast started and that's without fast cast gear

You do realize you are able to instantly recast the spell after it insta casts...? Why you being so mean Dasva! I tank a lot on my thief, my partner rarely dies unless he doesn't care and just nukes away and afks after proc lol. That's using apoc, I really see no reason to use Allure.

just something to point out, if you aren't opening up a nuke in fast cast gear, you fail. if you open up a nuke in fast cast gear while using AOA you're going to nuke in fast cast gear, thus losing dmg potential. if you are using AOA and not using fast cast gear, then your dot will suck anyways.

Uh this whole discussion is about low manning and using the blm for proc/main heal only. You wouldn't use either apoc or Allure for max dmg obviously...

Use vates cape and u gain -12 enmity for the loss of 5 mab. If u want to keep some damage you can use goetia mantle and still gain -5 enmity. Pax grip for another -4 enmity. Then there is an obi with 6 or 5 int and - 5 enmity irc. Not quite cheap but its available. Now use MM and you are capped enmity for a minimal loss of damage. You already don't get the full boost of allures -enmity if you nuke in a normal set :x

You do realize you are able to instantly recast the spell after it insta casts...? Why you being so mean Dasva! I tank a lot on my thief, my partner rarely dies unless he doesn't care and just nukes away and afks after proc lol. That's using apoc, I really see no reason to use Allure.

allure would win regardless, better heal potency, -enmity, more mp for manawall etc etc. only benefit to AoA is if you suck at timing your nukes and run into a TP and even then the recast timers arent very long. you shouldn't be relying on an instant cast stun when it's damn near instant to begin with.

Derp I meant rarely takes hate. Provided no hate reset.

How does he take hate if just nukes and then afks after proc?

Either way I pull hate all the time. Half of what I do on blm is mentally trying to stay around the hate line and if timers are good go way above it for a time then ja. Faster kills mean less time for bad stuff to happen less overall emnity accumlated. Also less tp given to dmg dealt nuking so less hate reset moves will happen.

No it doesn't win regardless. Better heal potency lol.. 50 mnd for cure4 yeah that's doing way much. -Enmity when its not necessary like I said earlier. Use temp items if you need mp that badly. You people seem to forget (or perhaps you don't even realize?) the spells recast timer is set instantly to 1, that means you can recast the spell again right after you use it. Which means back to back stun or, if you care about max dmg, back to back bliz5's.

"just nukes away" as in spams his spells and dies to afk. How are you dealing more dmg with atma of allure then? I am strictly talking about low man scenario of two~three where the blm is usually /whm to heal... AoA also lets you isntantly recast a spell, which means back to back bliz5's. Assuming first cast in fast cast gear you deal maybe ~500 less dmg. Then you can insta cast it again for max dmg, spam spells after proc and enmity douse.

TP spam has nothing to do with spells dearie. If you stun a aoe spell and it insta cast procs and then the mob is reading a ws right after, you can stun again. GASP. No you don't "rely" on it, but its a nice benefit. Something that is a lot better than allure...

I'm not a BLM but I'll try to give my opinion on MP gear.

The only thing MP would have any use for is to boost your MP up so you can get off a few free nukes, and put it away until you rest to full again. MP is only as good as money, once you spend it its gone. If you are at 500/1500 MP you wont benefit it. I wouldn't go as far as to say MP is totally useless, because it does has its uses.

Lets say Mage1 has the absolute best nuking gear in the game. Then here comes Mage2 who has a lot of MP gear on. Mage1 only has 1000 MP while Mage2 has 1500 MP. Who will end up doing more dmg? If Mage2 switches into Mage1's gear after they use up their extra MP then Mage2 would end up doing more overall DMG.

Mage1 (1000 MP)
Start<--------------------------->Stop

Mage2 (1500 MP)
Start<--------->Switch|Start<--------------------------->Stop

But if you have an insane amount of refresh and will never run out of MP for long... its best to forget about the MP thing most likely as you'll end up falling behind on DMG. In other words, if you don't really run out of MP then MP gear is completely useless~

Basically you gotta ask yourself how often do you rest and if you rest to full. MP should be one of the last things you work on as any mage be it WHM or BLM or RDM or BLU because your core qualities are what matter the most.

This isn't just about Abyssea either.

How are you getting no benefit from the proc? I think you are looking at the worst case scenario... The only things it would be wasted on would be.... nothing. It saves time overall, or in the case of a nuke/cure/stun, lets you recast it instantly for more dmg/etc.

So what if it saves time. Are you constantly casting? Nope. If you needed that time you're already failing cause it wont happen most the time. So you get to recast instantly... how often does that actually make any difference? What does that small amount of time actually do for you most the time? Nothing.

I never said they are useless, I said they aren't as important to make allure push ahead. 30 MND... really not game breaking. It adds up over the fight obviously... if you are casting stoneskin when a damaging tp move goes off that is bad. If you are casting something when you can be proc grellow or finding what it is that is wasting time. It adds up. If you recast instantly it makes a difference OVER TIME. If you instantly cast stun, you can cast it again and prevent a spell or tp move or melee hit or let tank get ichi up etc. If you insta cast a nuke, you can cast it again for even more dmg.