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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-03-25 18:54:13
Dontkare said: Ludoggy said: Enternius said: Ludoggy said: So this formula is wrong? Ranged Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) You don't even have to look up a formula to be able to tell that Two-handed weapons improve Ranged Attacks. Equipping an Earth Staff and using a ranged attack will always do more damage than with no weapon equipped, even though Earth Staff doesn't add any real damage. I'm just saying that 2str=1atk 2str=1ratk Somebody obviously doesn't have any 2-handed jobs. SE has made plenty of statements that 2str=1atk
Bahamut.Revision
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By Bahamut.Revision 2009-03-25 19:10:50
Seriously. I saved myself 15 minutes of reading from people who use staff. Not interested. It doesn't matter if your /nin or /war or /lol. I'm also not disputing Str over Rattck. There are plenty of other slots open for Strength. Use them. I've been a full time Ranger since 2003 and have tried every combination out there. If your using staff your either poor and can't afford the alternative Str setup for other slots, naive, or your into the whole monkey see/monkey do. Last post on the matter. Enjoy. Debate. Ciao~
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-25 19:12:54
I love these "You do it differently than me so you suck" people, they make the game worth playing <3
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-25 19:16:03
Revision said: Seriously. I saved myself 15 minutes of reading from people who use staff. Not interested. It doesn't matter if your /nin or /war or /lol. I'm also not disputing Str over Rattck. There are plenty of other slots open for Strength. Use them. I've been a full time Ranger since 2003 and have tried every combination out there. If your using staff your either poor and can't afford the alternative Str setup for other slots, naive, or your into the whole monkey see/monkey do. Last post on the matter. Enjoy. Debate. Ciao~ I find great irony in this post.
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By Fenrir.Dontkare 2009-03-25 19:22:14
Ludoggy said: Dontkare said: Ludoggy said: Enternius said: Ludoggy said: So this formula is wrong? Ranged Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) You don't even have to look up a formula to be able to tell that Two-handed weapons improve Ranged Attacks. Equipping an Earth Staff and using a ranged attack will always do more damage than with no weapon equipped, even though Earth Staff doesn't add any real damage. I'm just saying that 2str=1atk 2str=1ratk Somebody obviously doesn't have any 2-handed jobs. SE has made plenty of statements that 2str=1atk As I said, somebody doesn't have any 2-handed jobs. 1 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) 2 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + 3STR/4 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food )
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-25 19:26:19
Revision said: You all are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for disagreeing with what I believe and I'm awesome and perfect because I've been playing the job since 2003. I don't care what you all have to say, I'm right and you're all stupid and naive for disagreeing. I have nothing else to say cause I have no valid points, reasonable arguments or evidence to support my statements. Bye~ Fixed that for you.
Bahamut.Citag
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By Bahamut.Citag 2009-03-25 19:30:32
Wooooodum said: I love these "You do it differently than me so you suck" people, they make the game worth playing <3 I like to wear my Sam af body to see how many complaints I get. That's always fun. So what if I want some damn tp back if I get hit, occassionally. :D
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-03-25 19:41:39
Dontkare said: Ludoggy said: Dontkare said: Ludoggy said: Enternius said: Ludoggy said: So this formula is wrong? Ranged Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) You don't even have to look up a formula to be able to tell that Two-handed weapons improve Ranged Attacks. Equipping an Earth Staff and using a ranged attack will always do more damage than with no weapon equipped, even though Earth Staff doesn't add any real damage. I'm just saying that 2str=1atk 2str=1ratk Somebody obviously doesn't have any 2-handed jobs. SE has made plenty of statements that 2str=1atk As I said, somebody doesn't have any 2-handed jobs. 1 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) 2 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + 3STR/4 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) How come we went from ranged to 1hvs2h?
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By Fenrir.Dontkare 2009-03-25 19:46:56
Ludoggy said: Dontkare said: Ludoggy said: Dontkare said: Ludoggy said: Enternius said: Ludoggy said: So this formula is wrong? Ranged Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) You don't even have to look up a formula to be able to tell that Two-handed weapons improve Ranged Attacks. Equipping an Earth Staff and using a ranged attack will always do more damage than with no weapon equipped, even though Earth Staff doesn't add any real damage. I'm just saying that 2str=1atk 2str=1ratk Somebody obviously doesn't have any 2-handed jobs. SE has made plenty of statements that 2str=1atk As I said, somebody doesn't have any 2-handed jobs. 1 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) 2 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + 3STR/4 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) How come we went from ranged to 1hvs2h? Because this is a debate about using two axes or a staff, and if you didn't know, staves are two handed. So given that formula, each STR equals .75 attack AND ranged attack versus the each STR only giving .5 attack AND ranged attack. So just by equiping a staff that already has 5 STR, and 10 ranged attack; in otherwords 13 ranged attack plus the STR for ws mods. Also, every additional point of STR you add in other slots will still add out to .75 ranged attack instead of the .5.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2009-03-25 19:50:29
Dontkare said: 1 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food )
2 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + 3STR/4 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) I know that the Strength: attack ratio is different depending on if you're using a 1 handed or 2 handed weapon. But attack does not equal ranged attack. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but someone post proof that 1 Str = 0.75 RAtk while holding a 2 handed weapon cause right now I'd have go on the 'not true' side, lol. Edit: These formulas are from the Wiki page for calculating 'attack'. There is only 1 formula on the 'ranged attack' page.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-03-25 19:50:48
Thanks for pointing that out for me.
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By Ifrit.Haseyo 2009-03-25 20:43:52
But, the more Str+ I have, the better I feel inside! ; ;
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By Pandemonium.Kajidourden 2009-03-25 20:47:27
Dontkare said: Ludoggy said: Dontkare said: Ludoggy said: Dontkare said: Ludoggy said: Enternius said: Ludoggy said: So this formula is wrong? Ranged Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) You don't even have to look up a formula to be able to tell that Two-handed weapons improve Ranged Attacks. Equipping an Earth Staff and using a ranged attack will always do more damage than with no weapon equipped, even though Earth Staff doesn't add any real damage. I'm just saying that 2str=1atk 2str=1ratk Somebody obviously doesn't have any 2-handed jobs. SE has made plenty of statements that 2str=1atk As I said, somebody doesn't have any 2-handed jobs. 1 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + STR/2 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) 2 Handed Attack = {( 8 + Combat Skill + 3STR/4 + (+attack from gear) + (+attack trait/ability/minuet)) * berserk effect (if available)} * (1+ percentage increase from food ) How come we went from ranged to 1hvs2h? Because this is a debate about using two axes or a staff, and if you didn't know, staves are two handed. So given that formula, each STR equals .75 attack AND ranged attack versus the each STR only giving .5 attack AND ranged attack. So just by equiping a staff that already has 5 STR, and 10 ranged attack; in otherwords 13 ranged attack plus the STR for ws mods. Also, every additional point of STR you add in other slots will still add out to .75 ranged attack instead of the .5. I dont see Ranged attack anywhere in that formula, so...... your statement is without proof and thus moot, kthxbai
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-03-25 20:50:18
Kajidourden said: I'm an ***. Fixed.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-25 20:58:26
Bojack said: I know that the Strength:attack ratio is different depending on if you're using a 1 handed or 2 handed weapon. But attack does not equal ranged attack. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but someone post proof that 1 Str = 0.75 RAtk while holding a 2 handed weapon cause right now I'd have go on the 'not true' side, lol. You post your solid proof that 1 STR = 0.5 Attack, and I'll post my solid proof that 1 STR = 0.75 Ranged Attack when a Staff is equipped.
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By Titan.Ominai 2009-03-25 21:21:50
derailed thread is derailed
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2009-03-25 22:42:43
Wooooodum said: Bojack said: I know that the Strength:attack ratio is different depending on if you're using a 1 handed or 2 handed weapon. But attack does not equal ranged attack. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but someone post proof that 1 Str = 0.75 RAtk while holding a 2 handed weapon cause right now I'd have go on the 'not true' side, lol. You post your solid proof that 1 STR = 0.5 Attack, and I'll post my solid proof that 1 STR = 0.75 Ranged Attack when a Staff is equipped. I never did say I had proof ^^. I was just commenting on the fact that people were saying 1 STR = .75 Ratk while using a 2 handed weapon based on a formula that calculates attack. Attack doesn't equal ranged attack so using an 'attack' formula to state that about ranged attack doesn't make sense. If I really had to show proof it would be those formulas from the Wiki...I know they're not proven but those are the formulas that were brought up in order to say 1 Str = .75 Ratk with a 2-handed weapon. But you say you do have proof, so why not post it and/or edit that 'Ranged Attack' page on the wiki.
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By Asura.Reublucian 2009-03-25 23:51:48
This 70 rng(Kurosiro) just invited me ( I'm lvl 15 rng ) And he was like {experience points} and I was like okay then he invites me and gives me leader, and was like {Member can I have it?} I was like uhhh im level 15, level sync 15 okay? He was like no thanks 55~...I was like you've got to be kidding me, you invite me to a party then make me make the party then you want to level sync 45 levels above me? Holy ***!
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2009-03-26 17:30:39
Reublucian said: Holy ***! :O
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By Midgardsormr.Wizkid 2009-03-26 18:03:28
lol, agreed - keeps it entertaining!
This thread is for all the funny things people do inside partys or outside or whatever really.
I am writing this as i was in a party in Caedarva Mire a few nights ago as RDM, and there was a certain JP WHM in there who would cast Silena on himself after the imps casted his silence AOE move, where is the logic in that i ask!? I was more amused and confused than angry lol
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