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 Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-03-30 13:29:21
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I don't get why threads like this are made anymore... The people who use bots are always going to supporrt them and the people who don't aren't. It seems like some of the people that use them feel the need to justify that they use bots so that others can see that it is ok and then when somoene doe snot agree they will nit pick at them for things like using ffxiah (cmon now!). The people who don't use bots are usually always going to think that its wrong or cheating. Sure there probably is a little jealousy in there as well as some truth.

It does mess with the economy and can put others ahead of those that don't use it. Honestly though its become a part of the game thats not going to go away. So to those of you that bot, keep botting away and just keep it to yourself. Those of you that don't bot deal with it and move on...
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2011-03-30 13:31:50
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Asura.Bartimaeus said:
Can modify dats to gain an advantage, so..yeah.

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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-30 13:32:31
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I made it because I was pretty bored, and I wanted to predict something... which came true:
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-03-30 13:32:46
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Lakshmi.Flavin said:
It seems like some of the people that use them feel the need to justify that they use bots so that others can see that it is ok and then when somoene doe snot agree they will nit pick at them for things like using ffxiah (cmon now!).
This is called an avoidance strat. If you can't win the argument, make a new one you can win. Or deviate the conversation in a way that questions the other's credibility.
 
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-30 13:34:31
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
It seems like some of the people that use them feel the need to justify that they use bots so that others can see that it is ok and then when somoene doe snot agree they will nit pick at them for things like using ffxiah (cmon now!).
This is called an avoidance strat. If you can't win the argument, make a new one you can win. Or deviate the conversation in a way that questions the other's credibility.

It's actually the strawman and ad hominem fallacy.
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By Lakshmi.Tronsy 2011-03-30 13:35:30
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
It seems like some of the people that use them feel the need to justify that they use bots so that others can see that it is ok and then when somoene doe snot agree they will nit pick at them for things like using ffxiah (cmon now!).
This is called an avoidance strat. If you can't win the argument, make a new one you can win. Or deviate the conversation in a way that questions the other's credibility.

Has nothing at all to do with avoidance. it comes down to if people wanna toss broad all encompassing blanket statements around they had best be prepared to back them up, or at least be prepared to get called out on it.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-30 13:35:34
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Lakshmi.Flavin said:
I don't get why threads like this are made anymore... The people who use bots are always going to supporrt them and the people who don't aren't. It seems like some of the people that use them feel the need to justify that they use bots so that others can see that it is ok and then when somoene doe snot agree they will nit pick at them for things like using ffxiah (cmon now!). The people who don't use bots are usually always going to think that its wrong or cheating. Sure there probably is a little jealousy in there as well as some truth.

It does mess with the economy and can put others ahead of those that don't use it. Honestly though its become a part of the game thats not going to go away. So to those of you that bot, keep botting away and just keep it to yourself. Those of you that don't bot deal with it and move on...

And no-one would bring up AH or windower, if non botters didn't call botters cheaters.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-03-30 13:35:39
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Some more assumptions? I don't nerd rage, but I'll kick gimp WHM's who can't keep chains and I'll dual box my bot instead seeing as it makes everything more streamlined.
Well if your primary reason (Which is extremely situational, because as of this moment, it seems your only justification for using a PL bot is so the main healer has an auto-pilot function) for using a PL bot is the above, then yeah, that must be some hard-core projection of anger onto other people, because it certainly doesn't infuriate me enough to go look for other options. If I was that aggro over losing chain, I'd kick the weakest link and fix the party.
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As for FFXIAH effecting gameplay, Economy. You can find trends in items selling at certain times and plan accordingly. Therefore it's cheating.
You can find trends on the AH too, it's not that difficult either if you've got the know-how.
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Oh I also hope you don't play XI in fullscreen mode when you use windower, seeing as that isn't part of the original functionality of the game.
You have very weak strawman arguments. You won't prove any point by just setting those up for me to knock them down over and over.
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I hope you've never pinned either, or use the Guildwork client or use FFXIClopedia to find out the drops an NM has. Etc.
I've never pinned intentionally (Tunga has pinned himself a few times for instance). I don't use guildwork. Equally FFXIclopedia is not cheating, it's not even part of the game. Another strawman.
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You can stop with the ego now though, I think it's cute as hell that you assume that everyone who bots is bad at the game, and you non botters call botters elitists.
I have an unusually large ego because I don't agree with you? It seems you didn't create this thread out of sincerity but more to fellate your own ego, bud. I didn't ask for people's opinions to shoot them down, I've stated my opinion and I've defended it. I'm also not a pushover.

Sekundas, I retract my previous statement on the .DAT editting. Thanks for clarifying. I knew about those things but it didn't come to mind. Cheers on the attitude too.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-03-30 13:35:44
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It was made out of boredom for the easily amused by anonomous people with secret agendas.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-30 13:36:12
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Lakshmi.Tronsy said:
Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
It seems like some of the people that use them feel the need to justify that they use bots so that others can see that it is ok and then when somoene doe snot agree they will nit pick at them for things like using ffxiah (cmon now!).
This is called an avoidance strat. If you can't win the argument, make a new one you can win. Or deviate the conversation in a way that questions the other's credibility.

Has nothing at all to do with avoidance. it comes down to if people wanna toss broad all encompassing blanket statements around they had best be prepared to back them up, or at least be prepared to get called out on it.

+1 Articulated it better than I could.
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By Serj 2011-03-30 13:36:24
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Asura.Ludoggy said:
Asura.Bartimaeus said:
Can modify dats to gain an advantage, so..yeah.

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But then I'd have to change my avatar ;_;
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-03-30 13:38:03
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Lakshmi.Flavin said:
It seems like some of the people that use them feel the need to justify that they use bots so that others can see that it is ok and then when somoene doe snot agree they will nit pick at them for things like using ffxiah (cmon now!).
This is called an avoidance strat. If you can't win the argument, make a new one you can win. Or deviate the conversation in a way that questions the other's credibility.

It's actually the strawman and ad hominem fallacy.
Thanks for the correction then, I'm not versed in these.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-03-30 13:38:15
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<insert seven pages of pony pictures here>
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By Diabolos.Megatron 2011-03-30 13:38:34
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botters are lazy asshats. no if's and or butts about it. you cant be pissed at one kind of botter and endorse another. cheatings is cheating.
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By Lakshmi.Tronsy 2011-03-30 13:39:46
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Actually considering a lot of the information on the wiki comes from the use of third party tools and reverse engineering that data yes it too would be considered cheating if you want to get right down to it.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-03-30 13:41:33
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Lakshmi.Tronsy said:
Actually considering a lot of the information on the wiki comes from the use of third party tools and reverse engineering that data yes it too would be considered cheating if you want to get right down to it.
In this line of thinking, you could also say using the AH supports botting and corrupts the economy. It's bad logic.
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By Lakshmi.Tronsy 2011-03-30 13:41:44
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Diabolos.Megatron said:
botters are lazy asshats. no if's and or butts about it. you cant be pissed at one kind of botter and endorse another. cheatings is cheating.

Again with the hipocracy of posting on a website that is essentially a cheat in itself about how cheating is bad.
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By Lakshmi.Aurilius 2011-03-30 13:42:32
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Diabolos.Megatron said:
botters are lazy asshats. no if's and or butts about it. you cant be pissed at one kind of botter and endorse another. cheatings is cheating.

Thank you captain redneck. Where's the beer? Nascar is coming on.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-30 13:43:26
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Cerberus.Tikal said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Some more assumptions? I don't nerd rage, but I'll kick gimp WHM's who can't keep chains and I'll dual box my bot instead seeing as it makes everything more streamlined.
Well if your primary reason (Which is extremely situational, because as of this moment, it seems your only justification for using a PL bot is so the main healer has an auto-pilot function) for using a PL bot is the above, then yeah, that must be some hard-core projection of anger onto other people, because it certainly doesn't infuriate me enough to go look for other options. If I was that aggro over losing chain, I'd kick the weakest link and fix the party.
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As for FFXIAH effecting gameplay, Economy. You can find trends in items selling at certain times and plan accordingly. Therefore it's cheating.
You can find trends on the AH too, it's not that difficult either if you've got the know-how.
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Oh I also hope you don't play XI in fullscreen mode when you use windower, seeing as that isn't part of the original functionality of the game.
You have very weak strawman arguments. You won't prove any point by just setting those up for me to knock them down over and over.
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I hope you've never pinned either, or use the Guildwork client or use FFXIClopedia to find out the drops an NM has. Etc.
I've never pinned intentionally (Tunga has pinned himself a few times for instance). I don't use guildwork. Equally FFXIclopedia is not cheating, it's not even part of the game. Another strawman.
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You can stop with the ego now though, I think it's cute as hell that you assume that everyone who bots is bad at the game, and you non botters call botters elitists.
I have an unusually large ego because I don't agree with you? It seems you didn't create this thread out of sincerity but more to fellate your own ego, bud. I didn't ask for people's opinions to shoot them down, I've stated my opinion and I've defended it. I'm also not a pushover.

Sekundas, I retract my previous statement on the .DAT editting. Thanks for clarifying. I knew about those things but it didn't come to mind. Cheers on the attitude too.

You can find trends with, what? 5 items? I think you need to learn what trends in economy are. Unless you have a mule at an auction house and you're writing down the prices every day then you're not getting enough information to benefit from it.

And hey now, you shouldn't make large blanket statements if you don't like where this is headed, I've made assumptions on your ego from the "Everyone who uses PL bots must suck" assumption.

I sincerely hope you don't use XIclopedia to look at maps you didn't have too, especially if you use them at the same time as you play.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-30 13:44:32
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Cerberus.Tikal said:
Lakshmi.Tronsy said:
Actually considering a lot of the information on the wiki comes from the use of third party tools and reverse engineering that data yes it too would be considered cheating if you want to get right down to it.
In this line of thinking, you could also say using the AH supports botting and corrupts the economy. It's bad logic.

Hey it's your logic.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-30 13:45:13
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Asura.Bartimaeus said:
Lakshmi.Tronsy said:
Actually considering a lot of the information on the wiki comes from the use of third party tools and reverse engineering that data yes it too would be considered cheating if you want to get right down to it.

People would rather not think of it that way, even when they learn that. It would cause them to question what "cheating is cheating" actually means, when it benefits them so well.

Exactly. I'm still loling at the "Everyone who uses PL bots must suck" argument.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-30 13:46:41
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Asura.Bartimaeus said:
Many non-reg'lar users who don't involve themselves in discussions on here probably don't know how the site works. I know we say it often, since it seems like this topic comes up often but it's as was stated before.. just a lack of knowledge about the subject and stuff.

I'm not even bothered by that. If someone doesn't know, and is firmly against bots, fine.

But if we tell you 'this is how it is', and you deny it or argue it, then it starts to get ridiculous. lol

People are unwilling to think that something they've benefited from could be considered cheating, when they are so against bots they go red in the face when thinking about them.

And the fact that I'm pretty sure the majority of the anti botters here have partied with people using a PL bot and not known it.
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By Lakshmi.Aurilius 2011-03-30 13:46:45
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If you buy black sole or dil off the auction house to use in cooking, you support botting. If you invite white mages, red mages, or scholars to your abyssea alliance, odds are you support botting.

We all support botting. Get over it.
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By Diabolos.Megatron 2011-03-30 13:47:16
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Lakshmi.Aurilius said:
Thank you captain redneck. Where's the beer? Nascar is coming on.
Sorry i'm not a farmer from the 1020's, i don't drink nor watch Nascar.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-03-30 13:47:21
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Lakshmi.Tronsy said:
Diabolos.Megatron said:
botters are lazy asshats. no if's and or butts about it. you cant be pissed at one kind of botter and endorse another. cheatings is cheating.
Again with the hipocracy of posting on a website that is essentially a cheat in itself about how cheating is bad.

He's only cheating to keep up with the cheaters that are cheating really hard. The cheatingest cheaters totally started it so god is going to give the cheaters that cheated a little to keep up with the cheating cheaters a pass. It's all in the fine print under the 'Thou shall not steal" commandment, right by the part where it's ok to steal bread if you're hungry and the store is far away.
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