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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 02:08:21
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0803: Japan's NHK TV also has that report of an explosion, which it says was "near" the Fukushima-Daiichi plant. The Tokyo Electric Power Company - which runs the plant - says some workers were injured, NHK reports.

Oh, vague, rushed reports. What would I do without you? =/

At this point I'm just utterly spent on trying to keep up and figure all this out. This whole day has been insane.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 02:15:10
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BBC said:

0810: Japanese media reports say that radioactivity has risen 20-fold outside the Fukushima-Daiichi plant.

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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 02:15:19
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
# 0755: AFP says an explosion has been heard at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant, and says Japanese TV is showing a white cloud above the plant.
Dat bad
Dat really bad.

It could just be sensationalist hooey though. An "Explosion" sound could be caused by a lot of things, and they might just be venting more steam to ease pressure.

I think I'll wait for an official source.
Meh even the "official source" wont be completely trust worthy. They tend to release the least amount of info on there plants and what happens to them of pretty much any country. Bah looking for a quote but I remember awhile back about a fire in a plant and they initial press releases were all fubered... unfortunately very hard to find right now given the current situation lol
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 02:16:51
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Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said:
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0810: Japanese media reports say that radioactivity has risen 20-fold outside the Fukushima-Daiichi plant.
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That's sensationalism at it's finest. 20-fold of what? Previous lvls that were more or less non-existant? 20 - fold of normal background radiation?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 02:17:35
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. 20x0 = 0 so sup sup math.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 02:20:11
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. 20x0 = 0 so sup sup math.
Well background is never 0. Average exposure is around 240ish mrem a year.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 02:22:08
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. 20x0 = 0 so sup sup math.
Well background is never 0. Average exposure is around 240ish mrem a year

I know, but I was just making an easy reference point, since the product of something like 20x0.002184 isn't someone other than an Autistic savant would immediately recognize.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 02:23:26
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Anyways if you happen to be just hanging out within a couple of miles of it you probably got the equivalent of an X-ray. I think they long term studies from TMI showed like only at most 1-2 people above average in the miles around it got cancer over there lifetime
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 02:29:09
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BBCBreaking at Twitter said:
0822: The Associated Press cites Fukushima Prefecture official Masato Abe as saying the cause of the white smoke seen above the plant is still under investigation, and that it's unclear whether there was an explosion.

Oooookkaaaaay.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 02:30:06
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#0822: The Associated Press cites Fukushima Prefecture official Masato Abe as saying the cause of the white smoke seen above the plant is still under investigation, and that it's unclear whether there was an explosion.

I can't help but think of Square-Enix.

The simple fact that they have to "Investigate" it is, probably more telling than anything else. If it wasn't something bad, I'd think they'd just come out and say that, yeah?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 02:32:32
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Yep.

I'm starting to suspect the earthquake caused systemic problems and, frankly, no one has a freaking clue what's going on in there.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 02:33:43
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#0828: Japan's NHK TV showing before and after pictures of the Fukushima-Daiichi plant. It appears to show that the outer structure of one of four buildings at the plant is no longer there.

That can't be good.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 02:34:24
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Bleh can't find the full thing but iirc awhile back there was a fire that turned out to be in like an AC unit at a plant and the iirc the initial reports were along the lines of there is a fire not sure where we're pretty sure there is no radiation leak :).

Let's just say I don't read too much into japan initial reports anymore
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 02:35:31
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Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said:
Yep.

I'm starting to suspect the earthquake caused systemic problems and, frankly, no one has a freaking clue what's going on in there.
Meh looking it up there have been several problems in the past in japan caused by earthquakes and people usually freaked and things went on like normal
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 02:36:39
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Have there been any 8.9s? =/
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 02:38:08
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Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said:
Have there been any 8.9s? =/
Well duh no. I think 8.9 is like what 4th biggest in recorded history?

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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 02:41:00
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OK so, assuming that the "outer structure" is in fact missing now: back to scenarios.

Is 10km far enough?
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2011-03-12 02:41:02
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Think I saw a report somewhere that this earthquake is 7th biggest in recorded history.
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By Odin.Bloodhunter 2011-03-12 02:42:44
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1RmANx9WA
video from the explosion
is that the reactor building? what do you think?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 02:42:53
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CNN is reporting a press conference where Japan is announcing failure of the cooldown and a focus on evac.
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By Odin.Bloodhunter 2011-03-12 02:47:22
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 02:47:33
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BBCBreaking at Twitter said:
0841: Malcolm Grimston, a nuclear energy expert from Imperial College London, has told the BBC that as long as any nuclear meltdown is small-scale, it can be contained: "For example, there was one in the Chapel Cross plant in south-west Scotland in the 1960s, and at the end of that it only affected two of what they call the fuel channels, the long tubes where the fuel is put. They simply sealed those off, there was no release of radioactivity offsite and the plant continued to operate for 30 years."
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 02:49:53
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Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said:
OK so, assuming that the "outer structure" is in fact missing now: back to scenarios.

Is 10km far enough?
I wouldn't assume that. Not after this long after they established some form of pressure control and cooling... also even if it was which building?

I seriously doubt that the reactor caused 1/4 of the building to go missing. Steam explosions of that magnitude require some serious power excursions. Like 10X normal full power. Not slow build up of pressure from decay heat of a full shut down reactor. Something like that would cause some weak link part to fail before pressure climbed too high. Certainly bad inside but not omfg. Unless of course previous reports were outright lies lol
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 02:53:17
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Looking at Bloodhunter's video, there was definitely an explosion and it definitely completely demolished a building. You can see the supporting walls blown away in chunks.

I don't think it's safe to think we have any idea what's going on in there anymore.
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By Odin.Bloodhunter 2011-03-12 02:55:39
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german tv just said it was the reactor building
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 02:57:13
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Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said:
Looking at Bloodhunter's video, there was definitely an explosion and it definitely completely demolished a building. You can see the supporting walls blown away in chunks.

I don't think it's safe to think we have any idea what's going on in there anymore.
Sounds like they were lieing before... pray for low wind or at least in the direction of the ocean :)
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By Cerberus.Raddmage 2011-03-12 03:00:02
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Tokyo - Japanese nuclear officials say radiation levels inside a nuclear power plant have surged to 1,000 times their normal levels after the cooling system failed.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/japan-earthquake-high-radiation-levels-nuclear-plant-fukushima-daiichi-evacuation-20110311

doesnt sound good
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 03:00:11
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BBCBreaking at Twitter said:
0847: NHK TV carrying advice to people to protect themselves against radiation. Experts say people should cover their mouths and noses with wet towels. Exposed skin should also be covered and people should wash after coming indoors. People should also avoid vegetables and other fresh food, as well as tap water, until authorities give the all-clear.

BBCBreaking at Twitter said:
0850: Japan's Kyodo news agency reporting that four people have been injured in an explosion at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant.

BBCBreaking at Twitter said:
0855: Some pictures have come through now on Japanese TV of that explosion. It looks very strong. You can see debris being blasted from the building, then a cloud of smoke mushrooming up from the plant.

I'm just glad so many people have already been evacuated. Good on the engineers for doing whatever they did to buy so much time. Even if ***goes pants-up, they saved lives, no question.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 03:03:28
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Cerberus.Raddmage said:
Tokyo - Japanese nuclear officials say radiation levels inside a nuclear power plant have surged to 1,000 times their normal levels after the cooling system failed.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/japan-earthquake-high-radiation-levels-nuclear-plant-fukushima-daiichi-evacuation-20110311

doesnt sound good


That's definitely a meltdown.

Also, in the video, it's almost surreal, the amount of energy it had to have taken to cause such a catastrophic and instantaneous failure.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 03:08:36
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Silly japanese people. So concerned with venting.

Radiation levels aren't really that much of a concern if you get even just a few miles away. Fallout of contiminents on the otherhand...
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