Final Fantasy VII Sucks

The problem is that if you came from playing FF6 to FF7 (as I did), FF7 was anything but pretty.

FF6 was essentially the pinnacle of 2D graphics, at least for the SNES era. It just didn't get any better. I view the transition to 3D as a downgrade. What was the top of 2D became what is easily near the bottom of 3D. I mean, just look at Cloud.

I realize this isn't from the game, but this is more or less it. Hugely deformed, simple geometric shapes.. if they had made a solid white box and wrote the word "Cloud" on it, it wouldn't have been much worse.

It would be unfair to leave only FF7 up for scrutiny, so consider the comparison:

Yes, Locke is probably made up of no more pixels than Cloud is of polygons. But to me, there is so much more room for the imagination, which I find the 3D approach to lack increasingly more the more advanced it gets, to the point where there's nothing left to imagine at all; they may as well be live action models and you may as well be watching a movie instead of playing a game.

No, for me graphics were actually a low point for FF7. The soundtrack and story are what make me consider the game to be good. I tend to hate a lot on FF7 not because I think it's a bad game, but because I really feel it marks the point in the series where they ironically started focusing more on graphics and "style" over substance, for which it will always stand out for me as the beginning of the decline, as I call it.

*shudders*

But seriously, FFVII is one of my favoritest games ever... and honestly Fire Emblem Blazing Sword/Path of Radiance are at least close in tiers to it, if not better in a lot of aspects. :/ Radiant Dawn is a hard game, but as far as plot etc goes it's decent. Shadow Dragon I couldn't play because of the re-classing. *shiver*

I'm not sure how I feel about Mystery of the Emblem simply because it's bringing back that stupid reclassing system from Shadow Dragon. Will no doubt play it through for the story, but I doubt I'll replay it much.

Then don't play Mass Effect 2, (and if you haven't played it) which has a chance to kill off characters that you probably will find yourself caring about. Gah, Mass Effect 2 is probably the greatest rpg known to man right now in my book.

I'm being clear so you don't misunderstand me, don't get sensitive about it.

Maybe saying I liked Shadow Dragon was going too far, the whole "Lol you don't have to die" and making classes got my goat.

Flion I dont want to get you on a rage here. If you liked fire emblem and you actually played them then great. Pre 1997 these games were very hard to come by and not very popular in the states so sorry if I had a hard time believing that you played every one and they were better than ff7.

I was a big fan of suikoden 1 and 2 were amazing and did not get much hype.

I'm not raging. But my age is really irrelevant now-a-days. I emulated all the NES and SNES fire emblems and played all the GBA, GC, Wii and DS games.

Fire emblem is one of my favourite game series'. Behind Tales of and FF.

Good points.

Some of my favorite games have it where you can't even see your character (Etrian Odyssey, Wiz 8) so I get what you mean with the whole imagination thing.

I think the thing here is that not everyone thought this way, they wanted the big flashy effects and... well, everyone had a *** for the NEW AND EXCITING WORLD OF 3D!11!, no matter how dumb it looked (pretty much every Sega Saturn game at the time). Like what you said with the luck thing, FF7 really hit the spot there at the time. Sprites were unfortunately becoming a thing of the past.

Funny enough, Nomura said something along the lines of FF7 having his worst character designs because of how limiting the engine required it to be at the time, or something like that. After all, the elaborate long summon animations met as much criticism as it did with praise.

I prefer 2D sprites to early 3D for sure.

Same for Golden Sun, I think it was far prettier in 2D than 3D.

To be fair, the in battle models were awesome. The out of battle models would've been OMGWTFBBQ if they'd done that. Like they did in the very next game.

You have to admit though, the zones were/are awesome looking.

The atmosphere of VII sold it to me more than anything, the feeling of hopelessness in Midgar, the feeling of finality in the northern crater and the feeling of fun in the Golden Saucer.

This is why I love the game so much. They did a great job painting various emotions into all of the areas.

(Edit: also Vincent/Reeve/Rufus/Tseng/Reno are hotties.)

Yeah, remembering that the generally amazing art is technically a part of graphics, FF remains to be one of the better looking series thanks to that timeless aspect. I tend to bash Nomura's characters, but the man is still very important to fleshing out the worlds and making them memorable; he's just a guy doing his job well.

Look at FFXI, it's been 10 years and the character models STILL look pretty nice on account that they were well designed. No idea who designed them though, FFXI had a few key members from all over Square.

(pre-release, 2001)

It's pretty hard to make a pre-rendered zone ugly though...

FF7 was very memorable though, and really, not many games ever, can claim that. I enjoyed my time with it, but I don't suck it's proverbial *** (That is reserved for FFIX kthx).

That's why I hate FF8 so much, it was just so forgettable, nothing about it stood out as anything more than an overly long soap-opera episode, with an ending as coherent as a Jerry Springer clipshow. Also, *** the draw system. Tetra Master alone was better than any combat mechanic in FF8.

I really like the XI graphics. I was admiring them the other day when I logged in for a short time to sort out some things. XIV has similarly awesome graphics in the character models. Whether that game fails or not it still looks really good.

As much as I hate the Kingdom hearts series, the art style was really good in that too, especially the job he did on previous FF characters like Squall and Cloud.





Some might say the Cloud is ott, but I really like it.

I liked FF8, I don't find it forgettable but that's just me, I enjoyed the story too.

And as much as I love IX, Triple Triad was much more fun than Tetra Master imo.

IX is a masterpiece though.

I can't stand the new interpretations of Cloud. One of my favorite parts of FFVII was finding out that this total badass with the huge sword, was a *** poser.

Now Cloud is this amalgam of fanfic *** that started with that abortion Kingdom Hearts.

Not sure what they did with Cloud in KH or why. It looks like just a strange hybrid mixing his attitude and clothing with Vincent.
Notice the claw gauntlet and maroon/black cape?

I just really love that style that he had in KH.

I actually liked his style in AC too. I was never a fan of the purple onesy.

I prefer Original/Dissidia Squall. *** yeah furry leather jacket.

That and it's like they went the Chris "Boulder Punching" Redfield route and made him super buff. Relatively speaking, anyway.

I'm not a fan of the onesey either, but I don't feel the emoleathers or the Vincet gay lovechild look fit him either, but at least the jumpsuit made him look like the feign professional he was trying to be.


Also, wtf is up with the wing? Is there some kind of deep story behind that, or more "omg sefiroth is so kool with onewingangle can has cloud 2?"

Best plot of any of the FE games imo! Part 3 is simply amazing. Main problem with RD is Y U NERF MY CATGIRLS ;;

I always used Squall's SeeD uniform for battles, but I'll probably use the KH outfit when I get 012. I love the furry jacket too though, it makes sense as he's known as a Lion.

I will agree with the graphics of VII, from todays standards they are behind the times even the FMVs are as well now. But from back then when it first came out it was pretty good. purpose of video games are to evolve. Personally i do prefer the sprite baised FF's out there (I II IV V and VI)

As far as story goes, its actully one of the better stories out there at least i feel. is it my favorite hell no. never will be either. And i REALLY don't understand all the Sephiroth hype <,<; come on Kefka was much better as a villain he wasn't no mama's boy either, and he succeeded where sephiroth failed.

All in all though Good game WORST game ever though? well your entitled to your opinion, but uh... most would disagree with you. I will agree with you VIII was a VERY good game... though oddly enough i see more people hating on VIII cause of its complex junction system.

Personally i always felt IV was one of the best... just not as great to get remade every time a new system comes out....

You know what I love? The fact that FFX and FFVII are actually connected and are on the same planet.

I was like "Wow cool man!" when I read that.

Speaking of Radiant Dawn... I totally man-crushed on Volug, Sothe and Haar.

lol what? I'm pretty sure FF4 has been remade more times than any other FF title. It's definitely a fan favorite, it just doesn't have the much more diverse following FF7 has.

4 is my personal favorite probably because I played it first, but looking back it's nearly the only game that everyone had their own very definite job. Cecil was a dark knight (later paladin), Rosa was a white mage, Rydia was a summoner/black mage hybrid, and so on. The character not only had an identity but they had a job which defined their character and their role in actual game play. Both earlier and later FFs are too customizable for my taste. Most characters can do nearly every magic spell/abilty just by equipping the correct esper/materia/junction/item/grid system/and-so-on.

What dialogue box did I miss? Really?

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