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Better relic now?
hey, if they give relic ws another 25% boost, it'll match Asuran next update
If you HAD to pick between apocalypse and ragnarok... ragnarok sounds like more fun!
Asura.Vyre said: Ragnarok has 3 jobs attached to it. I'd do it over Apocalypse just for that reason. Apoc at 90 isn't really so bad. LS bud has it, and even outside of Abyssea he gets up to the 1900~2k margin with Catastrophe consistently. He basically cannot die. Also one time he did a, and I kid you not, 1702 Slice. On Lamprey Lord. It was freaking hilarious. On the other hand, I've only seen Ragnarok in the hands of dipshits with poor gear, so I honestly haven't even seen it used to its full potential. Neither have I seen it at 90. I'm being ambitious and aiming for it on Warrior, not to make myself the best, but because I like Great Swords on Warrior(*** you Paladin and your Spinning Slash utility too), and because I like the name of its attestation the best(and the damn thing keeps falling to me every time we do a Goubldfaupe whether everyone has passed or not). So you have a choice of job flexibility, plus pretty rad damage over pretty rad damage and survivability on one job. Honestly though, and I know the OP requested not to bring them up, but if I were a DRK main I'd get Apoc and Caladbolg(it makes Ochains scream). Huzzah for getting everything on one job. >_>; That's a very good reason for chosing Rag over Apoc imo, amd the Crit% bonus now makes it much more appealing. Long time ago I was battled between starting a Bravura or a Ragnarok, but since the GS was really terrible at 75 I opted for the GA. Of course, now that my Dyna LS quit and my playtime shrunk for work I'm left with nothing but a handful of 100s and a lolstage 3.... :( GL on your Rag though! Serj said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Captaincrunch has both Spharai and Verethragna, don't think he's used Spharai since completing Vere... Considering it's entirely possible to cap counter rate (80%) without Spharai in Abyssea I'm not really surprised. Counterstance + AF2 feet + merits = 65% + GH = 75%, just need 5% in gear to cap. Could drop GH and maybe some gear with Spharai, but the AGI is nice enough for tanking that you're not gaining a whole lot by that. Outside Abyssea it'll be a bit more useful, but considering how easy it is to get Smite H2H it's still pretty meh. EDIT: Why would Final Heaven be better than HF? It doesn't get any sort of cRatio bonus. That's a damn good point. Forgot relic ws get hosed with that. Would spharai be enough to warrant going /war to some nms if you have decent support outside abyssea in your opinion? Or rather, would the +25-30 counter be enough to makeup not using VS /nin. Personally don't see getting Spharai as a goal, and mnk + whm can duo verethragna to 90... Just trying to advocate some use for Spharai. On the note of relics overall, aren't the rng relics still pretty good because of the fixed enmity values? Personally I'm going for Apoc.
Carbuncle.Laitha said: I still rock my 90 gun and it is hard to beat my non-hate pulling dps. Coronach is stronger than slugshot now on 90 relic so basically the only time the mob looks my way is relic dmg proc on barrage or regular /ra Serj said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Captaincrunch has both Spharai and Verethragna, don't think he's used Spharai since completing Vere... Considering it's entirely possible to cap counter rate (80%) without Spharai in Abyssea I'm not really surprised. Counterstance + AF2 feet + merits = 65% + GH = 75%, just need 5% in gear to cap. Could drop GH and maybe some gear with Spharai, but the AGI is nice enough for tanking that you're not gaining a whole lot by that. Outside Abyssea it'll be a bit more useful, but considering how easy it is to get Smite H2H it's still pretty meh. EDIT: Why would Final Heaven be better than HF? It doesn't get any sort of cRatio bonus. That's a damn good point. Forgot relic ws get hosed with that. Would spharai be enough to warrant going /war to some nms if you have decent support outside abyssea in your opinion? Or rather, would the +25-30 counter be enough to makeup not using VS /nin. Personally don't see getting Spharai as a goal, and mnk + whm can duo verethragna to 90... Just trying to advocate some use for Spharai. On the note of relics overall, aren't the rng relics still pretty good because of the fixed enmity values? It'll still be nice for the occasional NM but probably moreso as a defensive tool if ***gets really nasty rather than an opportunity to /WAR. I could be wrong though. Cerberus.Wolfshadow
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Bahamut.Dasva said: Carbuncle.Laitha said: I still rock my 90 gun and it is hard to beat my non-hate pulling dps. Coronach is stronger than slugshot now on 90 relic so basically the only time the mob looks my way is relic dmg proc on barrage or regular /ra Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Serj said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Captaincrunch has both Spharai and Verethragna, don't think he's used Spharai since completing Vere... Considering it's entirely possible to cap counter rate (80%) without Spharai in Abyssea I'm not really surprised. Counterstance + AF2 feet + merits = 65% + GH = 75%, just need 5% in gear to cap. Could drop GH and maybe some gear with Spharai, but the AGI is nice enough for tanking that you're not gaining a whole lot by that. Outside Abyssea it'll be a bit more useful, but considering how easy it is to get Smite H2H it's still pretty meh. EDIT: Why would Final Heaven be better than HF? It doesn't get any sort of cRatio bonus. That's a damn good point. Forgot relic ws get hosed with that. Would spharai be enough to warrant going /war to some nms if you have decent support outside abyssea in your opinion? Or rather, would the +25-30 counter be enough to makeup not using VS /nin. Personally don't see getting Spharai as a goal, and mnk + whm can duo verethragna to 90... Just trying to advocate some use for Spharai. On the note of relics overall, aren't the rng relics still pretty good because of the fixed enmity values? It'll still be nice for the occasional NM but probably moreso as a defensive tool if ***gets really nasty rather than an opportunity to /WAR. I could be wrong though. Aside from another flat increase to the Atk/Acc bonus (since they've been rising by 5 points every 5 levels. so yay to +45 Acc on 2h weapons... lol), I'm guessing an increase in the base damage gap between Relics and the Empy/Mythic counterparts and a further boost the WS damage. The way upgrade trials have been going, it seems to me like SE is trying to put Relics back in 1st place, followed by Mythics and then Emps. That's highly unlikely to happen for most of them though, unless they literally redo the math over Relic WS mods and their additional effects. They also need to raise the cap on stuff like Haste, Atk, MDT, PDT and so on. I was referring to the Counter enhancement on Spharai. Since its benefit is essentially maximized on the 90 Spharai, any further enhancements in that department would have to either break the counter rate cap or provide benefits outside of counter rate to be useful.
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Carbuncle.Laitha said: I still rock my 90 gun and it is hard to beat my non-hate pulling dps. Coronach is stronger than slugshot now on 90 relic so basically the only time the mob looks my way is relic dmg proc on barrage or regular /ra Cerberus.Wolfshadow
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Bahamut.Dasva said: Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Carbuncle.Laitha said: I still rock my 90 gun and it is hard to beat my non-hate pulling dps. Coronach is stronger than slugshot now on 90 relic so basically the only time the mob looks my way is relic dmg proc on barrage or regular /ra Fenrir.Nightfyre said: I was referring to the Counter enhancement on Spharai. Since its benefit is essentially maximized on the 90 Spharai, any further enhancements in that department would have to either break the counter rate cap or provide benefits outside of counter rate to be useful. Kinda like They made the MDT better on Aegis.... SE Doesn't care if their "enhancements" are useful or not. Seems to be more this is what you are getting deal with it. *EDIT* Although they could increase Spharai Counter rate to go high enough to not need counterstance. Now that would be wicked awesome. Just watch lvl 99 Relic weapons become the non Abyssea and Atma free God Mode button.
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Carbuncle.Laitha said: I still rock my 90 gun and it is hard to beat my non-hate pulling dps. Coronach is stronger than slugshot now on 90 relic so basically the only time the mob looks my way is relic dmg proc on barrage or regular /ra Relic ws all have conserve tp +20 and enhances conserve tp to save you all of it.
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Odin.Sheelay said: Just watch lvl 99 Relic weapons become the non Abyssea and Atma free God Mode button. I can imagine and would enjoy lol No no no, it's Relic > Mythic > Emps Bahamut.Dasva said: Relic ws all have conserve tp +20 and enhances conserve tp to save you all of it. Hr hr hr >:D Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Odin.Sheelay said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Odin.Sheelay said: Just watch lvl 99 Relic weapons become the non Abyssea and Atma free God Mode button. I can imagine and would enjoy lol No no no, it's Relic > Mythic > Emps Nope, but relics hold the "eldest ultimate weapon" status :P Task wise, mythics are harder just because they require goals from multiple forgotten events VS Dynamis onry. Of course alot of the mythic requirements are already done by alot of people for other reasons
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Two things that i want for Ragnarok
Job ability like sneak attack but for the front for drk...60 second timer ~ this would allow us to get full benifits of rr in aby. Scourge after math to boost crit damage not crit %. ~ maybe around 20% damage + |
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