Aegis Enhancement?

Why would I bother with redundant posts when you're the one who is too lazy to read the hundreds of other posts explaining what I've said?

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Whether they were ever "needed" or not doesn't really matter in the long run of things. It was more of the simple fact that any Paladin with half an idea of what they were doing and tank somewhat effectively, that's primary why they were used. It was ususally less risky.

Tanking on a regular DD job without having any idea how to do it and manage it back on certain NMs was dangerous and put extra pressure on the healers to try to handle multiple tanks and risked a certain level of uncertainity involving conal attacks, AoE and so on.

For the most part PLDs were easier to manage as tanks all around and even as a PLD main originally, I have to say our usage came from the community (the majority mind you) tenecity to use what people were comfortable then with then take certain risks by allow certain setups that didn't follow a set 'pattern'.

Outside of abyssea this pattern for PLD has changed mostly because of the level cap where the changed in gear and stats as resulted in most of the stuff PLD is used for is easy enough to kill now that it's no longer considered a 'pattern' for people to follow.

Really my PLD mostly gets used today mostly when we fight Omega and Ultima in Limbus or certain types of low man situations. Why? Not really for necessity but rather convienence purposes. That's what it sort of comes down to, the view of the group that is using a PLD for something.

At this point I don't really know how you'd "Fix" Paladin, but if it ever does, it's not going to take place in Abyssea, that's all I can really say about it.

You're right... I should take advice from the Brown Belt mnk wearing a kemas earring.... You obviously have extensive HNM experience judging from your gear and your intelligent responses that fail to explain how a melee job before level cap was raised could avoid being one-shotted by tourbillion or getting ***-raped by nidhogg when terrored. You are ignorant and gimp, which is the worst possible combination. Please don't even try to play it off that the kemas earring is town gear. You'd be better off with a freaking spike earring.

Cause I totally don't have aesir and multiple gearsets. Cool story, bro. I also don't have MDT/PDT gear sets that I don't use. I've clearly never fought anything that terrors or has dangerous tp moves either. I also can't read accounts of drk/sams tanking tiamat and nidhogg/cerb/khim with their eyes closed while keeping hate and doing more dmg than a pld could do in an hour during a 5 minute fight.

Cool story, bro.

Please show me where anyone tried hnm tanking on drk/sam other than an apoc drk. Drk/nin or dead before level cap was raised especially against tiamat. Once again you and your kemas earring fail. You have no proof to back up anything you've said. If you were a good mnk you wouldn't even own a kemas earring. You fail.

Drk & sam. Reading comprehension fail.

Again, you mad.

I think drks did tank /sam though, and sams tanked /war. Or so I've read.

.................... This isn't why I created this thead you know...

LOL. you're an idiot plain and simple. Yeah sure sam/war's and drk/sam's used to tank HNM's all the time and were wayyyy better at it than plds. You fail troll. Go find a thread you might know something about to troll.

Ninja edit: I'm out, have fun and good luck. Ignorance is bliss.

Gear card was pulled. I had to.

Yeah they did.. always used SAMs on Tiamat. RDM and NIN/DRK could out tank PLDs too pre nerf.


Beat me to it :(

I already said rdm was a better tank pre level cap raise. Also, mine is obviously town gear. I don't walk around tping in heafoc mitts.... RDM and NIN/DRK isn't even the argument. He stated that melee jobs could outtank PLD's pre-abyssea. It's simply not true. Melee jobs were only used to tank a few NM's, period.

People always fell back to PLDs after a nerf or a new monster type. PLD is a job of safety, and has a higher chance of survivability than any other job in an alliance. Abyssea certainly shook that, but regardless of what people say, Aegis is still the most prevalent Relic, currently at 508 on FFXIAH, with the runner up being Apoc at 347, as of this post. PLD is a formidable job, but the game has shifted so many times, away from cautious, and into exploring offense instead of defense - simply because people want to succeed, but within a reasonable frame of time.

This was the most level headed and reasonable thing I've read in awhile.
(well most of it. I don't think the relic bit is relavent since that was pre abyssea.)

That's seven years of observation about Paladin. Abyssea hasn't even been out a year for it to be considered a defining point in Paladin's career. For that reason, the number of relics are important, especially considering that people argue still that Paladin was useless in comparison to melee/Red Mage tanks. That many relics argues otherwise.

PLD is never useless in the past or now because it is just a fun job that pple like to play. You know video game, play to have fun, pple like different things etc. I like playing PLD, fun job and looking forward to this update, hands down Aegis > Ochain

'cept it isn't.

I think its this plan an smple abyssea took away the best thing pld had going for it. The fact that it was a "Safety net".

before abyssea you could tank with DDs sure it could be done but tanking with pld insured that you would win the fight because of it's survivability (sure a dd could kill the monster quicker but if it goes down the fight turns ugly)

Now because of abyssea DD's survivablilty has increased so much it make's pld's much less relavent. Add to that the fact that pld can no longer keep up with the hate generation that dd's can and you take away all that pld has to be a useful job. :(

Hopefuly the next update will be outside abyssea so that pld's usefulness can shine again.

Yeah I forgot about that +20 vitality....

This is all true Play what you want to play. Pld is only "useless" in a top porfomance set up. It can still play a role in a party.

I have to disagree with Aegis > Ochain however. a shield that can turn 1/4 of the damage you take from a blocked attack (with a 90% block rate) and turns it into mp is very... very powerful. Even SE has realized this (check the OP) and is gonna improve aegis so it can match it.

...You haven't even read this OP or the full effect of Ochain haven't you?

MP not HP unless you mean by curing but with atma's, devotion, refresh, gear, ballad etc is mp a problem?

My *** god you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE as hell if you seriously believe that to be the intention.

Posting from my Bismarck profile on purpose, so you ignorant fool may take a closer look at whatever it is that went on in your head at the time of your post.

typo but my point is the damage migreation that ochain gives just doesn't conpare to aegis. even more so since you can cap magic damage Migration with gear and Shell V alone.

ITS GOLD

damage migration