Random Thoughts.....What Are You Thinking?

Bloodborne was published by Sony and the developer, Japan Studio, operated under the SIE banner since its inception in 1993 until Sony folded Japan Studio.
Concord was published by Sony and the developer, Firewalk Studios, also wound up operating under the SIE banner. Maybe they're regretting that purchase though.

But of course, thats just irrelevant information that does not mater to Nynja.

Atleast we got Ghost of Tsushima.

Sony bought Firewalk in Q2 2023, so there is a very big chance that they aren't even the decision maker on Concord game mechanics nor art direction, since you need to nail down those things very early in the development.

You can blame Sony on overestimating Concord potential, but I would question if Sony made most the decisions on the game design/art. Sony probably made marketing/business decision for it, that's all.


I bet if Sony has never aquire Firewalk, this game would get significant less harassment from anti-woke mobs. Most of the anti-woke hatred seems to target towards big companies like Sony. People would care less about a mid size 150 people unknown studio failed their first game. Basically Firewalk received extra negative reputation because of Sony lol.

Failing a commercial game is VERY common in the gaming industry. A "bad game" simply means they failed the competition in the market against the better games. Since games gets better each year and the market gets more saturated each year too, it is unavoidable to see more and more bad games (or even 7/10 games which means bad these days) are being made. Because only very small amount of games can be "good" that beats everyone else in competition.

So it's not entirely new that game can fail in 2024 for any reason. People just used this failure story as propaganda to promote their political views, that's all.

What makes Bloodborne Bloodborne is because of Miyazaki, not Sony.

It doesn't matter if Sony put money on Bloodborne II instead. If Miyazaki doesn't make it then it doesn't matter. It would be Bloodborne II with names only.

Why would you even want that?

I would rather see Bloodborne II because Miyazaki wants to make it, not because Sony wants to milk an IP.

No company ever tries to milk an IP. Especially not Disney and Shart Wars

Cyberpunk Vampire Xcom style game, looks kind of interesting.

You just want the boobs, you perv

There are no real verifiable relationship between "woke" and "bad game" or "ugly character" anyways. It's all propaganda.

FF7 in 1997 was woke as hell, but nobody said a thing. A group of environmentalist warriors fighting mega corp featuring a black man in the main cast that can be dated by the male protagonist? That's woke in every single way.

BG3 and Hogwarts were woke as hell too, but nobody said a thing because they sold well.

Plenty of western games from early 2000 had ugly characters, such as WoW, Might and magic, BG2, Planescape Torment, Mortal Kombat etc. Nobody said a thing 20 years ago too.

The truth is that people aren't mad at woke, they are mad at games that failed to entertain them. then instead of just focusing on criticism on elements that made the game fail they just have to find a political scapegoat to blame bad game design: such as "woke" "left wing ideology" or "DEI", despite none of those ideology evidently leads to bad game design.

How many Call of Dutys have there been now??


How many years running have people been begging for a Bloodborne remake or 2?? Its literally free money, but the ESG scoreboard demands Goyslop, so we get Dustborn and Concord instead. We get bug infested Outlaws.

Lets the ***studios shut down, and the based Studios will rise up again like a Phoenix when the DEI funds run out. Theyre not gonna keep releasing ***that peaks at 200 players. Till then, theres backlog and indies.

Firewalk studios operated under the ProbablyMonsters banner

Lets see what we can learn anout ProbablyMonsters


Shocked lol


They also raised 200 million (as an independent studio with literally zero game releases under their banner lol cmon) and then canceled the big project they were working on. Hello money laundering.

There are a lot of games that had connections with DEI/woke and are still successful, lol. The list is so long that it's impossible to name even half of them in a post.

I would even argue that indie scene has even more woke. Like Celeste etc.

You can't just name 2 "woke game" that failed, made a point that "woke game" sucks, then proceed ignore the rest of "woke games" that are successful.

It feels more like blanket statement with a political intention, not actual game development/game design discussion.

Whether a game is successful or not has more to do with good execution on every aspect, less to do with woke or no woke.

Lol

Oh wait, you actually believe that.

LMFAOOOOOOO

I couldnt doomscroll for 10 minutes without seeing a SW:Outlaws ad, it must be doing well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1f82h2b/investors_seem_very_disappointed_about_star_wars/

Oh. Unless youre suggesting its just a bad game. Amazing how all these “bad games” all have something in common. Monké isnt an absolute banger of a game by any means (i hate the invisible walls on clearly walkable paths), but its sold lots of copies.

Yeah, I can make a long list of successful woke games in the past including FF7, Celeste, KOTOR/Mass Effect/Dragon Age, Hades 1 and 2, BG3, Hogwarts Legacy, God of War Ragnarok, Spider man 2, Alan wake II, TLOU 1 and 2, Life is Strange, Cyberpunk 2077........

Those games are woke as hell or has DEI connection, and they sold pretty damn well with positive reviews.

If games above sold well with woke element, then "woke" can not be used as an excuse for failed games, the reason behind a failed game lies somewhere else. It's just simple logic.

It sold lots of copies because Chinese bought them like mad, and anti-woke propaganda promote it like a saviour of anti-woke. Two privileges that many games don't have.

Without both elements it's probably on par with Stellar blade or Nioh or lies of P, maybe slightly more from PC market, that's all.

That's how big the market is for this kind of game that scored 8/10.

In 1997 woke wasn't a pejorative.

Indeed, in 2024 the vast majority of those who use woke as a pejorative can't define it.

Example: Anti-Woke Book's Author Humiliated, Can’t Define ‘Woke’ in Interview

I think its not about woke or any of that ***, game looks bland.

I really hate this buzzword thing now. they made a bad game, its that simple.

As a far-right puerto rican bigot who enjoys capitalism with my overpriced hennessy, I enjoyed every second of Concord...... burning on impact. I was delighted while watching the devs push a toxic campaign of why their sales look terrible. I jumped for joy hearing concord was being shut down.

“FF7 was woke as hell”

Why?
Because they had a black lead with an interesting back story?
Because Cloud cross dresses to get into a certain establishment?

What else did I miss?

This is pretty much the representation of 99.9% of the people regurgitating any dumb talking points online. My eyes roll back like Elon's old hairline as soon as I see a buzzword like woke thrown into any 'discussion'.

Environmentalism.....they even did terrorism for environmentalism. Basically the worst kind irl.

If this isn't left wing ideology idk what is.

So why aren't you complaining about FF7, using the same standard?

Or did you handpick what is woke and what is not only based on the ideology that you don't like?

Instead of left vs right, maybe wonder why they are doing what they are doing.

Blackrock are offering cheap loans to game companies to follow their agenda, why would they do that? Is Larry Fink secretly a fluffy bunny boy, that wants joy feelings to the world?

Or is he and his company setting up this for the gaming industry:



The way you make this, is setup all these smaller companies to alienate their fanbases and farm back to back failures.

Then you can gobble them all up and make mega corps. It's really hard to make big mega corps, when all these little companies are doing really well and have strong fanbases.

I don't think the original FF7 is woke. Wokeness started after the Obama era.

Wokeness is about being constantly offended. FF11 has racism in the sense of lore. The voices of Mithra and Tarutaru; and Galka being a slave with a silly name.

Galka got bullied around and out by literal ants.

But it was still very left wing using 1997 standard.

So why people didn't have a problem back then?


Good game story will have an agenda or ideology, usually. with or without Blackrock.

You can't critize Blackrock agenda unless the same standard is applied to all games.


It's okay for BG3 to be woke because they are independent? But another company with Blackrock money can't do the same? That's double standard.

If indie games are allowed to be woke, then other games should be allowed too.

You can attack bad game design or bad story, that's fair. Attacking agenda alone isn't fair.

The term and that usage of it is actually older than I am. It dates to at least the 1930s and the jazz era.

Environmentalism is part of social justice ideology as well. So saying FF7 is woke should be correct based on the definition.

I think how this term is being used in the gaming community in 2024 is very different from the correct meaning though. Which is..... interesting.

Edit: I think a lot of negative comments about woke in the gaming community came from story being preachy when it comes to ideology. But to me it is problem of narrative technique, not woke problem.

Jrpg and anime suffers from preachy narratives all the time. Us otakus use the term "cringe" to describe preachy narratives, not "woke". Those are fundamentally two different things.

The left wing in 1997 wasn't the same as today. Now there are gay and black conservatives. Though, people can change if they disagree. Brains aren't fixed.


I used to think people were doing fine in 1980s and 1990s until guess what? It's all about raising children properly.

Well yeah, I agree that politics can change, of course. What I meant is that people are mad that games in 2024 have an agenda, but okay with 1997 games that also had an agenda(even if the agenda itself is slightly different).

So what's the standard for implementing ideology in video games?

Was it "video games can't have agenda at all"?

Or "video games can't have agenda that I don't like"?

Or "agenda is okay, as long as gameplay and story are well made"?

It feels like the arguments are all over the place in the gaming community atm.

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I couldnt follow this discussion, but statistically, its more likely youre all wrong, so a buttslap on each of you

Excuse you

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