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By Fairy.Spence 2011-01-09 13:07:54
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Guns are easy mode.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-09 13:10:01
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Fairy.Spence said:
Guns are easy mode.

personally I think it distracts one from the full extent of killing somebody, you don't get the same emotions from a bullet to the head as you do when you slit their throat or stab them in the heart, or that may be hollywood talking.

edit: it makes sense in a way though
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-01-09 13:16:09
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Sort of anti-climactic?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-09 13:17:53
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Phoenix.Darkdestroyer said:
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I think almost everyone here is missing the real cause of this tragedy. It has nothing to do with guns or politics. The reason behind this is misinformation. Where the misinformation comes from is irrelevant, as it comes from every aspect of the politic spectrum. Had this (I won't even say suspect, because he did it, people saw him) lunatic done any research on his own, rather than listening to one-sided (doesn't matter which side) rhetoric, or even looked into methods of non violent protest, this may have been avoided. Instead he clang to whatever propaganda he was into. There is also the fact that clearly he took it to an extreme. Why? We may never know for sure. That being said, what people like him and others don't realize is that people like Palin, Beck, Moore, etc. are entertainers. They do what they do, because while having a strong belief in what they talk about, they are not leaders, merely entertainers. If they weren't they would be in a public office, and surely the tone of their propaganda would be toned down dramatically. However, some politicians, without pointing fingers, have actually started to take lessons from these entertainers and thereby adding to the problem of misinformation.
this all may be true but this guy was a wakco...my bother who is on meds for mental problems use to talk the same way about stuff like this. I remember when Mccain picked palin for his vp my bother said " I do not like her and will vote for obama because Governemt is building devices in alaska to control our minds and Palin is allowing this to happen up there" where the hell he got this ***from i have no clue, this guy and others like him where not pushed to kill because they listen to politican from one side or another these people are crazy and we need to fix our mental health system to prevent this, we dont need to ban guns blame republicans blame democrates we need to fix the mental health system so when people start talking HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE ***like this they can be helped before they hurt someone.
I do agree, if someone is prone to mental instability, that of course would factor in heavily.
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By Phoenix.Darkdestroyer 2011-01-09 13:21:13
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Fairy.Spence said:
Guns are easy mode.
personally I think it distracts one from the full extent of killing somebody, you don't get the same emotions from a bullet to the head as you do when you slit their throat or stab them in the heart, or that may be hollywood talking. edit: it makes sense in a way though

yes guns are easy mode, and i aggree with you Jeta there is more a thrill to take from stabing someone and this brings things back to a mental defect in the mind set, a crazy person looking to kill is gonna do it for the thrill, look back in history most seiral killers never used guns and most people who did use guns ended up getting cought way faster.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-09 13:22:45
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I think gun control falls under the same premise of the war on drugs.

While the war on drugs is much more futile, they both conjure up arguments of banning versus all should be legal. In reality though, both need to find a middle ground between the two sides. Both have a history of "things go wrong" during an outright ban.
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By Phoenix.Darkdestroyer 2011-01-09 13:28:37
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Leviathan.Chaosx said:
I think gun control falls under the same premise of the war on drugs. While the war on drugs in much more futile, they both conjure up arguments of banning versus all should be legal. In reality though, both need to find a middle ground between the two sides. Both have a history of "things go wrong" during an outright ban.

I agree 100%, and a middle ground could be simple...how often to you hear of a man taking a shotgun or rifle into a crowd of people and shoting up the place? almost never. Wanna ban guns find a middle ground ban all but those not made for killing each other...a hand gun has no purpose other then protection but a shotgun is just as good for protection and never used in a crime ban the Handgun only if you feel there must be a ban (although it will never work to BAN anything tbh). Just like drugs the middle ground could be legellize the shoftcore ***like pot while continue to fight the hardcore ***.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-09 13:52:01
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Phoenix.Darkdestroyer said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Fairy.Spence said:
Guns are easy mode.
personally I think it distracts one from the full extent of killing somebody, you don't get the same emotions from a bullet to the head as you do when you slit their throat or stab them in the heart, or that may be hollywood talking. edit: it makes sense in a way though

yes guns are easy mode, and i aggree with you Jet there is more a thrill to take from stabbing someone and this brings things back to a mental defect in the mind set, a crazy person looking to kill is gonna do it for the thrill, look back in history most serial killers never used guns and most people who did use guns ended up getting caught way faster.

ftfy

as for the insanity bit, you could still get enjoyment out of shooting people.

like this:



edit: found a better quality video
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-09 14:23:41
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Asura.Eeek said:





Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.

See, people, I'm not the only one drawing the connection between Sarah Palin's tactics and a one mentally-ill man's murdering spree.

The connection IS there, whether you choose to observe it or not, is a matter of how well you use your eyes and brain.

I highly doubt "Mark Kerr" is the only lowlife in America who is "applauding" Sarah Palin in the wake of Mrs. Giffords' assassination attempt.

In response to an earlier post, YES, obviously "lunatic" conspiracy theorists and "extreme" Tea Party advocates are not the "same". However, they're in the same boat, and thus they share the blame.

To stare me in the face and naively try to tell me that Arizona's gunman wasn't heavily influenced by Sarah Palin and her ilk, is completely absurd.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-09 14:28:11
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Cerberus.Irishlass said:
Sorry for duplicate post didn’t see this was here.

This is what I wanted to say about it.

I was reading this and the words that he speaks sound so hauntingly familiar to me. I see this kind of talk on face book and in internet forums. I think it is sad that a person can get so involved in their self and own opinions to the point that they can do something like this.

I don’t know if this has to do with gun control. I think it’s more that some people have lost touch with reality and they somehow use things like Youtube and Facebook to help them decide to take action on things related to their warped sense of reality. To me it’s unjustified craziness. My thoughts are with the victims. This is so sad.

A+. Bravo.

Only problem is that if we try to regulate/legislate YouTube and Internet forums, the same conservative crybabies who fear firearms regulation would freak out about proposed internet regulation.

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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2011-01-09 14:34:37
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Fairy.Spence said:
Ragnarok.Blindphleb said:
Just because a few people may misuse WMD doesn't mean we should ban them.

Been browsing this thread and this stuck out to me. I hope I'm just taking it out of context or I missed the sarcasm, because this is ridiculous.





it was sarcasm used to discredit that same notion on guns.

it was for "wow" effect and entirely out of place
It was exactly where it needed to be. Your freedom loving can only go so far before you have to admit that there is a purpose for limits, even in a free society.
 
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-09 14:56:17
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Phyrexius, you are clearly mentally ill.

Please, do yourself and the world a big favor, and seek medical attention immediately at your nearest mental health clinic.

I don't feel "high and mighty". I feel disgusted and disappointed in America.

I don't have any heroes in American politics, period.

I don't have audacity to draw the short, bold, and direct line between Sarah Palin's PAC Facebook graphic and an assassination attempt on a "targeted" Congresswoman. I have common sense and cold, hard logic.

I would not be surprised if your name is "Mark Kerr", or if you have Mr. Kerr on your Facebook friends list.

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By Phoenix.Darkdestroyer 2011-01-09 14:57:43
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
Asura.Eeek said:
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. See, people, I'm not the only one drawing the connection between Sarah Palin's tactics and a one mentally-ill man's murdering spree. The connection IS there, whether you choose to observe it or not, is a matter of how well you use your eyes and brain. I highly doubt "Mark Kerr" is the only lowlife in America who is "applauding" Sarah Palin in the wake of Mrs. Giffords' assassination attempt. In response to an earlier post, YES, obviously "lunatic" conspiracy theorists and "extreme" Tea Party advocates are not the "same". However, they're in the same boat, and thus they share the blame. To stare me in the face and naively try to tell me that Arizona's gunman wasn't heavily influenced by Sarah Palin and her ilk, is completely absurd.
Mark Kerr another wacko that needs to be put in mental hospital. As for your so said influences bye Sarah Palin we all need to stop blaming everyone else for something that one person did, should we lock Sarah Palin up for this guy being stupid? Many of you dem and rep alike hold so much hatered for someone in the other party that you will find anyway to link something bad back to that person, and its not just dem's who attack Palin its republicans alike, I read on a new forum today where a Repbulican blamed Obama for the shotting come on people we are all capibale of adult thoughts we are not childern the moment you turn 18 thats the moment you have to start taking respoiablity for your own actions and stop saying "well s/he said this and that made me do it"
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-09 15:06:17
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Darkdestoyer:

as I've stated previously, the gunman bears the ultimate responsibility for his actions, and he deserves the swiftest, most severe punishment available.

That's not in question.

The question here concerns whether or not the hyperbole and firearms-related imagery on Sarah Palin's PAC Facebook page represents a weapon just as potentially deadly as a gun.

When mentally-ill and emotionally unstable people are isolated and then subjected to such a message, it's FAR from difficult to understand how it could provide a catalyst for the unstable person to leap from dark thoughts to criminal acts.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-09 15:12:43
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From the AP:
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Investigators said they carried out a search warrant at Jared Loughner's home and seized an envelope from a safe with messages such as "I planned ahead," "My assassination" and the name "Giffords" next to what appears to be the man's signature. He allegedly purchased the Glock pistol used in the attack in November at Sportsman's Warehouse in Tucson.
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2011-01-09 15:13:49
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I don't think Sarah Palin had an influence on this gunman, and I don't think she wished anything like what occurred Saturday to happen. I think that her poster was a tragic strange coincidence. It was a tactless poster at the beginning and it still is, but I think that's where discussion of the poster should end. A stupid PR stunt and nothing more.

I do hope though that it makes people think about future rhetoric. Do these politicians really want to stoop that low just to win over the Mark Kerrs in the crowd?
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
Darkdestoyer: as I've stated previously, the gunman bears the ultimate responsibility for his actions, and he deserves the swiftest, most severe punishment available. That's not in question. The question here concerns whether or not the hyperbole and firearms-related imagery on Sarah Palin's PAC Facebook page represents a weapon just as potentially deadly as a gun. When mentally-ill and emotionally unstable people are isolated and then subjected to such a message, it's FAR from difficult to understand how it could provide a catalyst for the unstable person to leap from dark thoughts to criminal acts.
but bye your logic do we also point to movies and video games every time a crazy person goes on a wild rage just because he seen Jason Statham do it? or do we blame GTA because a mentally-ill person picks up a hooker and kills her? The point is normal people should not be forced to watch what they say because the mental heatlh systems fails to find help fast enough for these crazy people...It might just be me who feels this way coming from personal experance with the failed mental health system we have, but the only people resposiable for the actions of a crazy person is the crazy person and the peoples who job it is to help prevent these crazy people from doing this kinda stuff.
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-09 15:21:12
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Phyrexius said:
Elanabelle you OBVIOUSLY honor the Racist, Murderous, Disgusting History of ZioNazism in many ways. Having lolArnold as your avatar for one. Beating the drum of disarming victims to make them even more vulnerable to acts of violence by the State (4th Reich) for another.

You're the one who's obviously mentally ill and paranoid. You think that disarming the citizens means violence will stop? Hello, is your memory span that of a gnat? YOUR HEROES SLAUGHTERED OVER 200 MILLION PEOPLE LAST CENTURY!

Don't forget that lolGovernment IS force. Please remember because It's becoming redundant to keep telling you lolSheeple how HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE you all keep sounding...

I'm off to work, I'll let you paranoid schyzophrenics discuss your CONspiracy Theories. By the way, the second man that the lolAuthorities are looking for is his Handler

you aren't helping your argument, if anything you're making it worse for yourself
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Bahamut.Lolserj said:
Phyrexius said:
Elanabelle you OBVIOUSLY honor the Racist, Murderous, Disgusting History of ZioNazism in many ways. Having lolArnold as your avatar for one. Beating the drum of disarming victims to make them even more vulnerable to acts of violence by the State (4th Reich) for another. You're the one who's obviously mentally ill and paranoid. You think that disarming the citizens means violence will stop? Hello, is your memory span that of a gnat? YOUR HEROES SLAUGHTERED OVER 200 MILLION PEOPLE LAST CENTURY! Don't forget that lolGovernment IS force. Please remember because It's becoming redundant to keep telling you lolSheeple how HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE you all keep sounding... I'm off to work, I'll let you paranoid schyzophrenics discuss your CONspiracy Theories. By the way, the second man that the lolAuthorities are looking for is his Handler
you aren't helping your argument, if anything you're making it worse for yourself
agreed. Although i do not agree with Elanabelle's idea's on the issue you really really should just quit. Insulting someone because of there avatar? i better watch out im a little Disturbed just look at my avatar, i guess imma start running guns and killing mexicans soon too because Im a huge fan of Son's of Anarchy.
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Phyrexius said:

I'm off to work, I'll let you paranoid schyzophrenics discuss your CONspiracy Theories.
Read: militia training
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By Cerberus.Pukushu 2011-01-09 16:07:42
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
Asura.Eeek said:





Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.

See, people, I'm not the only one drawing the connection between Sarah Palin's tactics and a one mentally-ill man's murdering spree.

The connection IS there, whether you choose to observe it or not, is a matter of how well you use your eyes and brain.

I highly doubt "Mark Kerr" is the only lowlife in America who is "applauding" Sarah Palin in the wake of Mrs. Giffords' assassination attempt.

In response to an earlier post, YES, obviously "lunatic" conspiracy theorists and "extreme" Tea Party advocates are not the "same". However, they're in the same boat, and thus they share the blame.

To stare me in the face and naively try to tell me that Arizona's gunman wasn't heavily influenced by Sarah Palin and her ilk, is completely absurd.


First Mark Kerr is clearly not right in the head. Not only does he hate GG for being of a different political stance then him he also dislikes her because of her race. He hates her so much that he he thinks those reasons are enough for her to not deserve life. He is an extremist and not the norm. To claim that this is the norm is absurd.

Second I couldnt read the whole graphic before, but while I can see how this could be misread by a person predisposed to murder, the message of this graphic is clearly not a call to violence. Since it talks about the 'terms' (clearly a term in office), she is talking about targeting those elections where the candidate voted for national health care. Nowhere in the call to action "Take back" is there any call to violence or murder. To suggest that she wished evil on those 20 representatives doesnt even make sense (unless you have warped filters such as thinking there is some mind control devices going around.) To do so makes you a conspiracy theorist as well. Grasping at straws to propagate your political views. Have you become what you hate?

again your grouping of murderous lunatics and political parties as the same is appalling. Why not just start grouping others as well? Is the Muslim religion to be outlawed due to a few extremists who went around bombing or for taking over some planes? How about planes should they be outlawed for taking part in Sept 11? Lets go back farther should Japanese be rounded up and imprisoned because some did a kamikaze attack on Pearl Harbor? How about white people? Should white people be shunned or worse? Think about it white people are the most violently political extremists. Other than Sept 11 most of the us terror attacks and of course all of our assassinations have been preformed by white people. Not to mention that all the people you look to demonize SP and the like are all white too. Maybe all these groups of people shouldnt be rounded up but lets at least 'put them in the same boat' as the extremists from their group, am I right?

Please stop propagating that the horrible acts of the few define the relative good of the whole.

To tell me that SP and her 'ilk' were behind this senseless killing sounds more like a conspiracy theory than anything else.
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By Cerberus.Pukushu 2011-01-09 16:17:24
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Bahamut.Lolserj said:
Phyrexius said:
Elanabelle you OBVIOUSLY honor the Racist, Murderous, Disgusting History of ZioNazism in many ways. Having lolArnold as your avatar for one. Beating the drum of disarming victims to make them even more vulnerable to acts of violence by the State (4th Reich) for another.

You're the one who's obviously mentally ill and paranoid. You think that disarming the citizens means violence will stop? Hello, is your memory span that of a gnat? YOUR HEROES SLAUGHTERED OVER 200 MILLION PEOPLE LAST CENTURY!

Don't forget that lolGovernment IS force. Please remember because It's becoming redundant to keep telling you lolSheeple how HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE you all keep sounding...

I'm off to work, I'll let you paranoid schyzophrenics discuss your CONspiracy Theories. By the way, the second man that the lolAuthorities are looking for is his Handler

you aren't helping your argument, if anything you're making it worse for yourself
^ this

please stop
at least elanabelle's has logic, though flawed.
you have none.
 
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-09 16:40:31
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Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Phyrexius said:
Elanabelle you OBVIOUSLY honor the Racist, Murderous, Disgusting History of ZioNazism in many ways.

I did say quit being a *** idiot didn't I?

Phyrexius said:
Having lolArnold as your avatar for one.

There is a story behind datavatar, and I am the one who made it. Please address your disillusions at me so that I may enjoy the lulz that follow.



This.

You pathetic dolt.

My avatar is a freaking joke, designed (by Spicyryan) to mock ME.

I couldn't give two shits about *** "Arnold".
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-09 17:02:50
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Can we inform the authorities about Phyrexius, as I fear he may be the next lone gunman in an assassination attempt.

No joking here, his ideas, his constant citing of whack job sites, his calling everyone NAZIs, etc.

These are the types of people the government needs to keep tabs on.

Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
Darkdestoyer:

as I've stated previously, the gunman bears the ultimate responsibility for his actions, and he deserves the swiftest, most severe punishment available.

That's not in question.

The question here concerns whether or not the hyperbole and firearms-related imagery on Sarah Palin's PAC Facebook page represents a weapon just as potentially deadly as a gun.

When mentally-ill and emotionally unstable people are isolated and then subjected to such a message, it's FAR from difficult to understand how it could provide a for the unstable person to leap from dark thoughts to criminal acts.
That's pretty much what I was getting at with my post about the problem being misinformation.
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By richwood 2011-01-09 17:29:50
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What crazy sounds like...


I have no idea!!!
 
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