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By Asura.Hotin 2012-01-13 00:22:14
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I would say Centaurus overall except with attack ratio capped of course.
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By Macey01 2012-01-13 05:49:07
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This is my current outside set, only thing changed since new lvl cap is feet, however my dmg seem to be quite a bit worse, did i miss something or have they nerfed Hi? i used to break 3k easily and average 1.5k-2.5k i am rarely breaking 2.5k averaging between 1-2k and more frequently doin stupid low i.e. below 500, starting to **** me off. Any ideas coz i cant see why Lithe Boots wud be better than Koga lol

Is the anguinus belt better than soil belt for Hi?
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-01-13 05:51:31
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Anguinus/cuchulain's unless pdif capped then use soil

Ami doin it rite?
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By Cerberus.Omegacloud 2012-01-13 06:40:33
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This is pretty much my WS set atm. I was messing around with Agi merits to see for myself how good/bad it would be. Deciding if I wanna switch back to Str or not, but if I do, I'll have to overspend for a Stormsoul ring or just settle for s Agi+6 ring.


The Arisui is the Str and Att one, Haidates has Agi+6, lolMnd+4 and Store TP+3. Was thinking about switching to Seiryu's for hands, but I just wouldn't feel right giving up +10 Dex and +8 Acc.

Edit: I also thought about going to Str merits because I will soon have CDC. I already created a set for it, and in it I'd have about +43 Str. Also, it's a 90 Kannagi(not sure how to put a 90 Knnagi's stats into a set.)
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-01-13 06:45:12
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Seiryu's kote with crit rate +3 offer .5 more crit rate than the 10 sex and an extra 2.5 wax

Edit: dex not sex
Edit: Wsc not wax
Edit: I really hate my iPhone now and I think the information is correct I'm not very good with this stuff yet
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By Cerberus.Omegacloud 2012-01-13 06:53:55
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Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Seiryu's kote with crit rate +3 offer .5 more crit rate than the 10 sex and an extra 2.5 wax

Edit: dex not sex

The +5 Agi over +2 hands I like, but atm the only good augments I have on my Seiryu's kote are Crit hit rate+1% and Store TP+3 I believe. Looks like I'll have to farm up some more scraps, and cross my fingers on augmenting time.
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By Macey01 2012-01-13 06:56:26
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I note you guys are swapping alot of gear. Are you guys using two macro buttons to swap or is there some way to swap all this gear using 1 macro button?
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-01-13 06:57:13
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Str merits are the way to go, and stick with iga+2 till you can access better kote~
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By Cerberus.Omegacloud 2012-01-13 07:01:25
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Macey01 said: »
I note you guys are swapping alot of gear. Are you guys using two macro buttons to swap or is there some way to swap all this gear using 1 macro button?

Yeah, I use 2 macros to swap gear. Both are pretty much next to my Berserk + Warcary macro, and right next that one is my Blade: Hi macro.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-01-13 07:04:28
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Windower, one of the few additions to this game that make it bearable still.
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By Ariaum 2012-01-13 07:09:26
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Macey01 said: »
I note you guys are swapping alot of gear. Are you guys using two macro buttons to swap or is there some way to swap all this gear using 1 macro button?


You can use spellcast or scripting from windower to change every slot. Some thing to look into for anyone that plays on consoles. If you do play on a console get a pc it's much better on many levels.
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By Cerberus.Omegacloud 2012-01-13 07:09:45
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If I started using Seiryu's and a Stormsoul ring, my Dex will take a dive from +61 to +46. Will it be a dramatic difference for crit hit rate?
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By Ariaum 2012-01-13 07:16:49
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http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/DEX
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-01-13 07:17:24
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Depends what you're fighting
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By Cerberus.Omegacloud 2012-01-13 07:22:26
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Well, looks like I'ma have to overpay for a Stormsoul ring and try to get some better augments on my Seiryu's. Knowing my luck, I'll probably never get them, along with the crit hit dmg +4% on Haidates hehe.
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By Ariaum 2012-01-13 07:24:46
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Ditch the agi merits for str asap too.
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By Cerberus.Omegacloud 2012-01-13 07:43:12
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Ariaum said: »
Ditch the agi merits for str asap too.

Yup, going to merit asap. I already calculated what you guys recommended and I'm liking it so far. Thanks for the fast and helpful responses.
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By Macey01 2012-01-14 06:11:46
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Ok I have enough cash to buy an Oce headpiece. But is it really worth all that money for just a WS piece? I use a cheap DEceit mask now and it has 6 less agi and dex, but had 5 acc. Basically The Oce helm is pricey for stuff i wont need like haste and regen. Are those six points of agil and dex and 5 less acc really woth 1.8 mil?
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By Cerberus.Omegacloud 2012-01-14 09:56:23
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Macey01 said: »
Ok I have enough cash to buy an Oce headpiece. But is it really worth all that money for just a WS piece? I use a cheap DEceit mask now and it has 6 less agi and dex, but had 5 acc. Basically The Oce helm is pricey for stuff i wont need like haste and regen. Are those six points of agil and dex and 5 less acc really woth 1.8 mil?

Yeah it is. With the average WS setup these days, that piece will let you maximize the amount of Agi you can get, same goes for Dex. I know Nigthfyre mentioned something about the Shura+1 headpiece, but it seems like gil is hard to come by for you atm, so Oce headpiece might be the best option for you atm. Overall though, it should be the best, if not second best for WSing in.
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By Xorn 2012-01-14 10:02:51
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If you don't want to spend the gil on ocelomeh, an Anwig salade augmented with crit damage +2% and ws damage +2% is a better, and free, alternative to your Deceit mask.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-01-14 10:04:21
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Or shura kabuto with ws dmg +3%
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-01-14 17:15:46
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Macey01 said: »
Ok I have enough cash to buy an Oce headpiece. But is it really worth all that money for just a WS piece? I use a cheap DEceit mask now and it has 6 less agi and dex, but had 5 acc. Basically The Oce helm is pricey for stuff i wont need like haste and regen. Are those six points of agil and dex and 5 less acc really woth 1.8 mil?
I also use the HQ in my idle and mixed evasion sets, along with all the use I get out of it on BLU. A Shura Kabuto +1 with augments is going to run you near the same price and it's really the only other option that competes outside Abyssea (though still a clear loser if the DEX adds a lot of critrate). Even then, wsdmg+3% alone (max on hq, 2% is max on nq) is only going to roughly match it in damage so you'd ideally want a second good augment and 3% wsdmg alone can take a few tries to get. Even after all that effort, Shura would still have less utility.

In the end, "worth it" is entirely subjective. It is one of the best options available though and competitive options will have similar costs.
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By Lakshmi.Diaboli 2012-01-15 20:12:59
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Look what I just had made, pretty excited. Took 14 tatters after finally getting Seiryu to drop the abjuration..


(p.s. In idle set, a mix of regen/evasion)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Lucifel 2012-01-18 16:46:36
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Is there a static set that every NIN should be aiming for right now?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-01-18 19:41:31
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Quetzalcoatl.Lucifel said: »
Is there a static set that every NIN should be aiming for right now?
Sort of. I'll break it down slot-by-slot, focusing on non-Abyssea content.

Main: Kannagi, duh
Offhand: STR Arisui is currently your best general-purpose option. Other weapons may have situational applications.
Ammo: Qirmiz Tathlum all the way.
Head: A perfectly augmented Shura Kabuto +1 has the greatest potential if ignoring dDEX, but that requires three very strong augments. Even then it's pretty close to an Ocelomeh Headpiece +1, which is vastly superior if the DEX does have a significant impact on critrate. Given its superior utility (idle, mixed eva), I've chosen to stick to Ocelomeh +1.
Neck: Not as obvious as it might initially appear. Rancor Collar is generally best-in-slot, but Rancor Mantle doesn't stack with it. As such, you should use Hope Torque if you have access to Rancor Mantle. If critrate and pDIF are both high but pDIF is uncapped, Hope Torque may pull ahead of Rancor anyway.
Ears: Moonshade Att+4/TP Bonus and Brutal
Body: Athos's Tabard with high critrate, otherwise Iga Ningi +2. I'll cover set bonus in greater detail later.
Hands: Augmented Seiryu's Kote if you're not trying to boost dDEX. If you are, you have the choice of Iga Tekko +2 or Athos's Gloves. If you're able to get a partial set bonus with the gloves then they're generally the better option.
Rings: Epona's/Stormsoul is a pretty safe bet for most things.
Back: Rancor Mantle, otherwise Atheling.
Waist: Depends. Cuch or augmented Warwolf for dDEX, Anguinus for low critrate/pDIF/hitrate, Crudelis for high pDIF/critrate especially with favorable WSC rounding.
Legs: Augmented Byakko's with critdmg and AGI. Preferably STP too so you can TP in them as appropriate.
Feet: Koga +2 are your best full-damage option, but this is where considerations for the Athos set bonus really come into play. Given a set bonus of at least 2%, Athos body + feet will generally match/beat Iga Ningi +2 + Koga Kyahan +2.
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-01-18 23:34:37
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Nightfyre has spoken!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Lucifel 2012-01-19 04:02:02
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This is my set. Currently my seiryu's only has +3 acc for an augment and I sub Kamome. I guess to fully optimize my DMG output I'm looking at Rancor's Back, Hope Torque, upgraded Seiryu, and an AGI ring?

What are your guys take of an Occ 2-4 or Double Attack Katana for a sub?
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-01-19 04:08:15
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Quetzalcoatl.Lucifel said: »


This is my set. Currently my seiryu's only has +3 acc for an augment and I sub Kamome. I guess to fully optimize my DMG output I'm looking at Rancor's Back, Hope Torque, upgraded Seiryu, and an AGI ring?

What are your guys take of an Occ 2-4 or Double Attack Katana for a sub?

You talking inside abyssea right?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Lucifel 2012-01-19 04:32:02
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Pandemonium.Anookulchandra said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Lucifel said: »


This is my set. Currently my seiryu's only has +3 acc for an augment and I sub Kamome. I guess to fully optimize my DMG output I'm looking at Rancor's Back, Hope Torque, upgraded Seiryu, and an AGI ring?

What are your guys take of an Occ 2-4 or Double Attack Katana for a sub?

You talking inside abyssea right?

Oh actually no. ;x outside sorry.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-01-19 05:20:17
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Quetzalcoatl.Lucifel said: »


This is my set. Currently my seiryu's only has +3 acc for an augment and I sub Kamome. I guess to fully optimize my DMG output I'm looking at Rancor's Back, Hope Torque, upgraded Seiryu, and an AGI ring?

What are your guys take of an Occ 2-4 or Double Attack Katana for a sub?
enchu+2 is gross.
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