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 Fenrir.Viperouskaos
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-09-23 11:00:44
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Blade: Hi Modifiers: AGI:60% !!!!!
Damage Multipliers by TP:
100%TP 200%TP 300%TP
4.0 4.0 4.0
Even if your a Taru I don't think u should go with STR. Go with AGI! I read and some of these Ninjas think they are on Samuri it stupid any ninja weaponskilling in a V helm need to toss you Kannagi and give it to some one who understands Ninja! Does anyone else know the properties of AGI!? Not only is it the MoD for "Hi" it's a stat that is compared with an attacker's dexterity to determine the likelihood that the enemy's blow will be a critical. The higher a defender's AGI, the less likely they are to have critical hits scored against them.
Agility also has a direct impact on a character's evasion and ranged accuracy stats, parrying stats. As of 2 updates ago it is speculated to have an impact on Subtle Blow… Go with AGI 8/8 Tweek for your Ninjas sake
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By Cerberus.Evilpaul 2011-09-23 11:04:34
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If you have AGI merits you're *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-09-23 11:17:31
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Apparently it's you that is *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE evilpaul. (Short Bus) (Do you need it.)
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By Asura.Ina 2011-09-23 11:37:40
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Just because it is an agl mod doesn't meen that its the only stat in the damage calculation. Fstr is still an important part and cruor buffs alone only have you capping that out on trash mobs (trash includes lower level NMs). Same goes for you Ddex, if you go for just agl you will see higher epeen spikes on weak mobs but on anything worth mentioning you average will be low enough that you will hope everybody has your damage filtered out.

The bit about AGL and mob tp gain is fact not speculation, it said so right in the update notes whatever update that was.
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By BorealisV2 2011-09-23 11:42:04
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Viperouskaos is a tard.

That is all.
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-09-23 12:03:54
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Ina How does your "damage calculation" justify meriting 8/8 STR? Who fights "trash mobs" anymore other than for farming lights or seals? There was a question from someone that asked what should they fully merit.
@borealisv2 "And then I was bacon." lmFao! *** Idiot… trying to side bust in a conversation.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-09-23 12:09:01
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lol
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2011-09-23 12:20:40
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Viperouskaos reminds me of how stupid this guy is in this thread...
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/21161/oirandori/ ... lol
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-09-23 12:25:56
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Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: »
Ina How does your "damage calculation" justify meriting 8/8 STR? Who fights "trash mobs" anymore other than for farming lights or seals? There was a question from someone that asked what should they fully merit.
@borealisv2 "And then I was bacon." lmFao! *** Idiot… trying to side bust in a conversation.

Can i have some of what you are smoking? it seems to take you places beyond reality and i think you have discoverd gold.
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-09-23 12:31:29
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Read the entire thread, crunkie. And till' this day I don't use Kamome what's your point? You just reminded me how Stupid you were on that thread crunkie, that's what you did…
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-09-23 12:33:42
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Cerberus.Mystina said: »
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: »
Ina How does your "damage calculation" justify meriting 8/8 STR? Who fights "trash mobs" anymore other than for farming lights or seals? There was a question from someone that asked what should they fully merit.
@borealisv2 "And then I was bacon." lmFao! *** Idiot… trying to side bust in a conversation.

Can i have some of what you are smoking? it seems to take you places beyond reality and i think you have discoverd gold.

Sure it's Cali Kush.
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By Asura.Ina 2011-09-23 12:38:12
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Cerberus.Mystina said: »
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: »
Ina How does your "damage calculation" justify meriting 8/8 STR? Who fights "trash mobs" anymore other than for farming lights or seals? There was a question from someone that asked what should they fully merit.
@borealisv2 "And then I was bacon." lmFao! *** Idiot… trying to side bust in a conversation.

Can i have some of what you are smoking? it seems to take you places beyond reality and i think you have discoverd gold.

Indeed, you seem to have reversed my post in your head, STR merits will do more for you on anything that matters and its the AGL are only gunna be better for trash so way to argue my point. Also nin gets a large ammount of it's damage from the TP phase which the str will add damage too and agl give none. Any extra damage you get from the 8 AGL on the WS does not add up to cover the damage lost during your tp phase so as I said AGL is better for epeen not actual function.

Also for the record it is not my "Damage calculation" it is the the calculation that has been pinned down by people who have put the time and effort into learning the math behind the game to make us all able to be better players Heya!
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By Cerberus.Mystina 2011-09-23 12:41:16
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Oh god, not this again....
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-09-23 12:44:15
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Cerberus.Mystina said: »
Oh god, not this again....
LMFAO TGIF!
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2011-09-23 12:50:59
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Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: »
Read the entire thread, crunkie. And till' this day I don't use Kamome what's your point? You just reminded me how Stupid you were on that thread crunkie, that's what you did…

You guys can't win, just look at the thread I linked and you can see he is too high off that "cali kush" to know what real math is. Ignoring the fact that Kamome offhand wins with those calculators that you are trying to show him, you will not show him how much more important STR is for DPS. AGI Merits FTW~!
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By Fenrir.Viperouskaos 2011-09-23 12:57:36
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Ragnarok.Crunkie said: »
Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: »
Read the entire thread, crunkie. And till' this day I don't use Kamome what's your point? You just reminded me how Stupid you were on that thread crunkie, that's what you did…

You guys can't win, just look at the thread I linked and you can see he is too high off that "cali kush" to know what real math is. Ignoring the fact that Kamome offhand wins with those calculators that you are trying to show him, you will not show him how much more important STR is for DPS. AGI Merits FTW~!
There must have been a misunderstanding Crunk that's what I been saying! STR is great but "AGI MERITS FTW~!" Thank You. Have a Great Weekend Guys Peace!
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2011-09-23 12:59:39
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I lol'd

Thanks for the laughs at work. It's always nice.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-23 20:00:24
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Generic low-DEX set, a few slots will vary depending on hitrate and cRatio. Tempted to use Attack+4/TP Bonus+25 Moonshade Earring instead of Centaurus, within ~2 damage of Centaurus and saves me an inventory slot but I haven't fully committed to that augment yet either...

Varangian is an option but if your hitrate can support it you're likely better off using a crit set.



Building this set was actually pretty interesting, did a slot-by-slot comparison of damage options to see exactly how far I could push a crit set before non-DEX options or even a full non-DEX set would overtake building around crits. This was about as far as I could push the set even tailoring mob AGI to precisely match the DEX of the crit set, anything beyond here is at best no worse than a noncrit set. In practice I'd drop some of the lossier pieces (Iga hands, Iga back, Jupiter's Pearl) and focus on a range where the gains are more significant, which is more in line with my current setups. Potentially suboptimal in the waist slot if you have a good Warwolf Belt augment.

Ocelomeh Headpiece +1 is about even with a Shura +1 outside Abyssea with just a basic WSDMG+3% augment; if you can get attack+ or another favorable augment in addition to the WSDMG then Shura +1 should consistently match or outperform Ocelomeh +1 in situations where you're not getting a lot of critrate from the latter. The margin is small enough that it's a great choice for minor DEX tweaking if you're just outside the dDEX sweet spot.

Still playing around with offhand options for 95. Kamome is due for a replacement, at least outside Abyssea. Ban's delay is excellent and the enfire is decent (5-15 damage from what I've seen, high procrate) so it's a potential contender; STR Sekka +3 should match or beat it as long as the STR and attack are relevant. DEX Sekka +3 is obviously the way to go for accuracy. Anybody have stats for the DA path at 95? Not expecting it to do too well unless they lowered the delay but I figure I should at least check it out.
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By Carbuncle.Tweeek 2011-09-23 20:06:13
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Hey Night, how close is Iga Ningi+2 to Loki inside Abyssea?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-09-23 20:10:14
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Fenrir.Viperouskaos said: »
Blade: Hi Modifiers: AGI:60% !!!!!
Damage Multipliers by TP:
100%TP 200%TP 300%TP
4.0 4.0 4.0
Even if your a Taru I don't think u should go with STR. Go with AGI! I read and some of these Ninjas think they are on Samuri it stupid any ninja weaponskilling in a V helm need to toss you Kannagi and give it to some one who understands Ninja! Does anyone else know the properties of AGI!? Not only is it the MoD for "Hi" it's a stat that is compared with an attacker's dexterity to determine the likelihood that the enemy's blow will be a critical. The higher a defender's AGI, the less likely they are to have critical hits scored against them.
Agility also has a direct impact on a character's evasion and ranged accuracy stats, parrying stats. As of 2 updates ago it is speculated to have an impact on Subtle Blow… Go with AGI 8/8 Tweek for your Ninjas sake
I love how Kuroganashi rated this ***up.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-23 20:15:57
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~3% behind unless you actually need accuracy for some reason, so pretty much never. That assumes the use of Rancor Collar and augmented Seiryu's Kote, which put you at 98-99% critrate (TP overflow) before anything else.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-09-23 20:27:01
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Nearly identical to my sets, thanks for posting these, I know I'm on the right track.
What's the difference between Shura head and a wsdmg/critdmg Anwig?
Is it because you have different augments on there?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-23 20:34:43
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Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Nearly identical to my sets, thanks for posting these, I know I'm on the right track.
What's the difference between Shura head and a wsdmg/critdmg Anwig?
Is it because you have different augments on there?
Critdmg/WSDMG Anwig isn't as strong outside Abyssea, still the best option inside by a small margin though. I do have a different set of augments on my Anwig (Fast Cast/Cure Potency).
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By Tryce 2011-09-24 02:21:23
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kote augs: store tp 5, crit rate 3, attack 5
byakko augs: store tp 5, crit dmg 4, agi 6
moonshade augs: 4att/tp bonus

can some1 give me feedback on my outside set? wanna know if im on the right track :3
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yegokego 2011-09-25 23:57:44
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Current inside set:



B.Haidate - AGI+6 Crit Dmg+4 STP+5

Current outside set:



Any suggestions to gear recommendations would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Antz 2011-09-26 07:37:03
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Quetzalcoatl.Yegokego said: »
Current inside set:



B.Haidate - AGI+6 Crit Dmg+4 STP+5

Current outside set:



Any suggestions to gear recommendations would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Try upping ur DEX outside, you might want to toss in some more Crit Rate+ into your set. Try with the AF3 back and Rancor Collar. Maybe try using Cuchulain's Belt for high AGI mobs also, the belt ain't so great.

For your inside you could try using Anguinus Belt over the Soil Belt also. Other than those lookin good!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yegokego 2011-09-26 09:12:07
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Would Maats Cap be best as far as head slot? And also I just need a couple +2 items for AF3+2 hands for outside.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Antz 2011-09-26 09:30:51
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Quetzalcoatl.Yegokego said: »
Would Maats Cap be best as far as head slot? And also I just need a couple +2 items for AF3+2 hands for outside.

For outside Maats would be better than your current yes. Other options are the mask off Dawon(Being the best) and the expansion head with ADI/DEX/WS DMG iirc.

Currently for outside I use the Deceit Mask for a mix of DEX/AGI so no doubt Maat's would beat that. Seems we both need to spend time getting that T3 Mask! :D
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By Bismarck.Aerison 2011-09-26 09:31:17
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Quetzalcoatl.Yegokego said: »
Would Maats Cap be best as far as head slot? And also I just need a couple +2 items for AF3+2 hands for outside.

No
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