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 Leviathan.Kajii
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By Leviathan.Kajii 2011-08-08 05:16:34
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Best food for Kannagi NINs?
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-08-08 06:04:55
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Red curry bun seems to be the favourite.

I've started using Hydra Koftes & just red curry now, normally 3 hour foods, but you can increase the duration to 6 hours using sigil or Sanction provided you're in the area at the time of use.
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By Ragnarok.Ravant 2011-08-14 01:53:21
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Question about Rancor Collar. Im sure I dont have max hate, will killing any tonberrys work (too weak) or do they need to give exp or something?

Edit: Also, do you have to be the one to kill or would it count if you were in a party with others?
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By Carbuncle.Tweeek 2011-08-14 03:37:22
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Ragnarok.Ravant said:
Question about Rancor Collar. Im sure I dont have max hate, will killing any tonberrys work (too weak) or do they need to give exp or something?

Edit: Also, do you have to be the one to kill or would it count if you were in a party with others?

can be in party. you can check max hate via: Everyones Grudge Quest

6000 gil = max hate
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-08-27 13:59:50
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Inside Abyssea


Outside


Thinking maybe Iga Tekko +2 for Outside hands unless I get some good augment on Seiryu's Kotes. Thoughts?
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-08-27 14:10:18
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Depends, if your dDex isnt capped then you'll be getting 2.5% crit rate from iga tekko +2.
If dDex is capped then Seiryu's kote with any additional crit rate are better.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-27 14:10:46
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Cuchulain's belt > shadowbelt outside, centaurus earring > drone earring outside.

Anguinus belt > that belt you're using inside, centaurus > drone earring inside too. If using GH(you should be cause of the agi bonus anyways..) soil gorget or hope torque > rancor collar inside. Rajas ring > 7 agi ring outside if you need the dex to cap ddex(you probably do). If your seiryu's don't have 3% crit, use iga tekko +2.

As mithra I have capped ddex outside in TP/WS gear on everything besides VT mobs, vw mobs, and some jailers/sky gods(probably not sure on this) and the new dynamis NM's(again, not sure on this, but probably don't have capped ddex on them).
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2011-08-27 14:19:31
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Sylph.Kiaru said: »
As mithra I have capped ddex outside in TP/WS gear on everything besides VT mobs, vw mobs, and some jailers/sky gods(probably not sure on this) and the new dynamis NM's(again, not sure on this, but probably don't have capped ddex on them).

I'm curious which of the sea jailers/sky gods you cap ddex on since you said "some"
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2011-08-27 14:20:37
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Sylph.Kiaru said: »
As mithra I have capped ddex outside in TP/WS gear on everything besides VT mobs, vw mobs, and some jailers/sky gods(probably not sure on this) and the new dynamis NM's(again, not sure on this, but probably don't have capped ddex on them).
so you have capped ddex on level 75 content? does this surprise you?
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-27 14:21:59
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Ramuh.Yarly said: »
Sylph.Kiaru said: »
As mithra I have capped ddex outside in TP/WS gear on everything besides VT mobs, vw mobs, and some jailers/sky gods(probably not sure on this) and the new dynamis NM's(again, not sure on this, but probably don't have capped ddex on them).

I'm curious which of the sea jailers/sky gods you cap ddex on since you said "some"
I have no idea, that's why I said some because I don't know if my ddex is capped O_o

@Lorzy
ok??????

+1 post I guess?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-27 14:23:03
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Also, when did your stance on GH vs SS change? You came into the DNC forums preaching SS over GH because it was "proven to be the best" for your Kannagi NIN.
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2011-08-27 14:25:17
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Sylph.Kiaru said: »
Ramuh.Yarly said: »
Sylph.Kiaru said: »
As mithra I have capped ddex outside in TP/WS gear on everything besides VT mobs, vw mobs, and some jailers/sky gods(probably not sure on this) and the new dynamis NM's(again, not sure on this, but probably don't have capped ddex on them).

I'm curious which of the sea jailers/sky gods you cap ddex on since you said "some"
I have no idea, that's why I said some because I don't know if my ddex is capped O_o

@Lorzy
ok??????

+1 post I guess?
i should keep +1 posting everywhere that i MIGHT have capped ddex on 75 content.
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2011-08-27 14:29:46
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Sylph.Kiaru said: »
Ramuh.Yarly said: »
Sylph.Kiaru said: »
As mithra I have capped ddex outside in TP/WS gear on everything besides VT mobs, vw mobs, and some jailers/sky gods(probably not sure on this) and the new dynamis NM's(again, not sure on this, but probably don't have capped ddex on them).

I'm curious which of the sea jailers/sky gods you cap ddex on since you said "some"

I have no idea, that's why I said some because I don't know if my ddex is capped O_o

So you're saying you have capped ddex on some jailers/gods, but you don't know which ones.... then how do you know you have capped ddex?
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-27 14:31:35
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I know I have capped ddex because someone told me how much dex I need to cap it on mobs below VT, but I don't know the agi values of sky gods and jailers.
I don't understand the point of the question..
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-27 14:33:33
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lol
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2011-08-27 14:35:46
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They're just poking fun at how you say you have capped dDEX on MOST mobs, if you can't even tell or don't know.
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-08-27 14:41:47
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So uh

Stormsoul Ring to Rajas ring outside.

Rancor Collar to soil Gorget inside.

And put up with that fscking Pestie again. Anything else? Food?
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-08-27 14:42:52
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Any kind of Attack heavy food
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-08-27 14:43:24
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Red Curry Bun for pretty much everything except Voidwatch, where you'd be eating pizza/sushi instead.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-27 14:44:42
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Yeah attack food is the best option on most things. There's some mobs that I have really bad acc vs like bennu/shaula where I need sushi. I don't carry pizza around so I haven't checked if pizza fixes that problem, and I haven't tried out using the 40 acc/evas atma over apoc to see if that helps either, but generally red curry > yellow curry = coruel sub > mithkabob.

Outside there's some very evasive mobs like VW mobs, which I have no experience with, and new dynamis NM's/VT mobs which I have no experience with on NIN. When doing harder dynamis things I play my RDM. So probably need sushi/pizza there, or change to another job :(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-27 15:22:00
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Sylph.Kiaru said: »
Cuchulain's belt > shadowbelt outside,
situational

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centaurus earring > drone earring outside.
also situational but usually true

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Anguinus belt > that belt you're using inside,
see above

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centaurus > drone earring inside too.


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If using GH(you should be cause of the agi bonus anyways..) soil gorget or hope torque > rancor collar inside.
Often false. RR/GH/merits/innate Hi bonus puts you at 90% critrate. Seiryu's Kote put you at up to 93%, so you still have up to 7% you can fill somewhere... overTPing is likely to fill ~1%, but that still leaves plenty of room for Rancor Collar. I only swap out Rancor if I'm WSing in Iga Ningi +2 (highly evasive NMs) or have a critrate buff such as Innin active.

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As mithra I have capped ddex outside in TP/WS gear on everything besides VT mobs, vw mobs, and some jailers/sky gods(probably not sure on this) and the new dynamis NM's(again, not sure on this, but probably don't have capped ddex on them).
What value are you assuming for capped dDEX, if you don't mind me asking?
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-08-27 15:25:22
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
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centaurus > drone earring inside too.
I always thought centaurus was better than agi earrings. lol
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-27 15:26:02
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91 + 52 I think, I have more dex than that now though so I don't remember the original number.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-27 15:33:05
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That's not even capped for certain DC mobs, let alone EM/T.

Phoenix.Fredjan said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
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centaurus > drone earring inside too.
I always thought centaurus was better than agi earrings. lol
Broken record in that it's yet another situational thing. If cRatio is capped Centaurus obviously isn't doing anything for you.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-27 15:46:20
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Are you sure? How much dex do you need to cap on T dynamis mobs then? I asked on BG and was told 91 + 52 would cap me. I don't fight anything over EP/DC ever on NIN outside abyssea though.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-27 16:06:52
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MMJ Lurkers and Infiltrators in Bhaflau Thickets have 96 AGI. While it's true that THF and NIN have some of the highest AGI values in the game (three-way tie for second with DNC, RNG having the highest), Mamools only have C rank AGI. It largely depends on the mob family's AGI rank, but assuming C rank again you should be right around the cap for low T DRK/DRG/SAM/SCH/SMN with 143 DEX, leaving you uncapped on any T+ RNG/THF/NIN/DNC/BLM/COR/PUP/WAR and adding more jobs as mob level increases.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-08-27 16:13:04
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Is there some sort of chart giving mob families stats for their jobs?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-27 16:16:29
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There used to be a small one for various TOAU-era merit mobs but I don't remember where. Beyond that, I don't think so. In theory you should be able to reverse-engineer STR/DEX/VIT/AGI if you can find INT/MND/CHR (easy as BLU), but I don't think there's been any comprehensive effort to gather data.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-08-27 16:21:20
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Ahhh fair enough, so for newer content it's more on the lines of trial and error for things like voidwatch etc.
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