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By Sylph.Starstrukk 2010-12-13 15:12:24
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I like 10k since it's so quick to test it on EP, if you do go the EM+ route obviously you'll obviously want less for your survivability/sanity.

Not sure how much damage a PLD/BLU can take and still floor damage to 0 at 90 with phalanx, but if you're able to grab every mandy like I did you can do 10k attack rounds in under 10minutes.

10k, will give a .9%ish error possibility.

Chart here has some examples, arguably it doesn't translate to game perfectly however.
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2010-12-13 15:18:46
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Bismarck.Maxse said:
Try 20 eva gear vs 20 eva skill gear, the difference in results would be more pronounced if straight eva was in fact better.

Or you can simply let the test run longer and watch the parse waiting for your evade rates to stop fluctuating as much.
I'll see what gear combinations I can come up with to make it higher than just +10 each stat. You're right it should show more pronounced results.

It was about a year ago now that I ran that test. From what I remember it had stabled out pretty well. Every time kparser updated (which is like every 10 secs?) it would increase or decrease 0.01% but was maintaining fairly constant at the numbers I ended up with.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-12-13 15:21:44
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Sylph.Starstrukk said:
I like 10k since it's so quick to test it on EP, if you do go the EM+ route obviously you'll obviously want less for your survivability/sanity.

Not sure how much damage a PLD/BLU can take and still floor damage to 0 at 90 with phalanx, but if you're able to grab every mandy like I did you can do 10k attack rounds in under 10minutes.

10k, will give a .9%ish error possibility.

Chart here has some examples, arguably it doesn't translate to game perfectly however.

That is a nice chart thanks for that it shows that 1000 is basically a 3% margin of error lol.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-13 15:22:12
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Boxer's + Eva Torque vs Ohat + Iga neck is 17 each off the top of my head.

EDIT: And is there really any reason to believe eva skill behaves in a non-linear manner or are you guys just dreaming up ideas to make the data fit your hypothesis?
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2010-12-13 15:34:03
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Boxer's + Eva Torque vs Ohat + Iga neck is 17 each off the top of my head.

EDIT: And is there really any reason to believe eva skill behaves in a non-linear manner or are you guys just dreaming up ideas to make the data fit your hypothesis?
I'm not a mathologist. Ignore any of my rambles that don't show cold hard fact :/

I pulled that out of my *** because my test where I started at a base of ~23% evade rate showed ~3% difference between skill and straight evasion. Whereas the other test showed less than 0.5% difference when base evasion started around 45%. This second test was also 10,000 attack rounds vs my 1,000 so there is a margin of error I didn't take into account. There is also a 15 level difference so... too many variables.
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2010-12-13 16:19:42
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Boxer's + Eva Torque vs Ohat + Iga neck is 17 each off the top of my head.

EDIT: And is there really any reason to believe eva skill behaves in a non-linear manner or are you guys just dreaming up ideas to make the data fit your hypothesis?


Im just remembering a few things i read a long time ago~ nothing solid nor have i claimed anything. Im just going by what ive noticed through live play which is nothing solid in the least bit.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2010-12-13 16:42:06
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Hagino, I have a question for you. I noticed you already possess the raider's armlets +2.

How does the Increased TA damage compare, in your opinion, to the rogue's armlets +1?
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2010-12-13 17:37:42
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I havent really had a chance to compare them, only got them last week, but they have greatly improved my WS damage compared to my old heca gloves haha~ im doing about 4000-5000 evis now with TA and SA seperated when i use RR GH and AO



thats with RR GH and MC
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-13 18:00:32
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Odin.Sheelay said:
Hagino, I have a question for you. I noticed you already possess the raider's armlets +2.

How does the Increased TA damage compare, in your opinion, to the rogue's armlets +1?
Translation error, they enhance SA. SE's really good about this kind of thing lately, aren't they?
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By Odin.Sheelay 2010-12-13 18:12:04
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Odin.Sheelay said:
Hagino, I have a question for you. I noticed you already possess the raider's armlets +2.

How does the Increased TA damage compare, in your opinion, to the rogue's armlets +1?
Translation error, they enhance SA. SE's really good about this kind of thing lately, aren't they?

Aye... I find it mostly hilarious when they manage to mispell numerical attributes in the translation (ex. Goethia chain and more)
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By Ragnarok.Erikthecleric 2010-12-16 07:59:52
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ragnarok.Erikthecleric said:
Phoenix.Hagino said:
Evasion/tank set

Should probably rethink the novia earring if you're tanking ;<... It might not matter a whole lot, but could just sack 2 evasion to keep that enmity+7 (over the earring)
Hate caps, doesn't take long to cap, enmity-7 won't really change that. Once capped it's not going to affect you at all.

super late lol. Yeah I realized what I was thinking of was when a mob does a hate reset in a low-man (THF + mage) that enm- would suck. But then I realized that if you did lose hate, you no longer require an evasion set and can use TP get enough to WS, and surely regain hate >_>;;... (or any job for that matter)
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By Asura.Eeek 2010-12-16 08:33:11
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Ragnarok.Erikthecleric said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ragnarok.Erikthecleric said:
Phoenix.Hagino said:
Evasion/tank set

Should probably rethink the novia earring if you're tanking ;<... It might not matter a whole lot, but could just sack 2 evasion to keep that enmity+7 (over the earring)
Hate caps, doesn't take long to cap, enmity-7 won't really change that. Once capped it's not going to affect you at all.

super late lol. Yeah I realized what I was thinking of was when a mob does a hate reset in a low-man (THF + mage) that enm- would suck. But then I realized that if you did lose hate, you no longer require an evasion set and can use TP get enough to WS, and surely regain hate >_>;;... (or any job for that matter)

Or you can use Accomplice.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2010-12-16 10:26:53
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Teh Orichalcum Earring +1 works these days now due to low cost, find a goldsmither that *** up. Same as Phrygian earring and much lower lvl, augment away with eva+3 and you'd be set

how do u augment earrings? never actuly bothered tring any of it when it came out
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2010-12-16 10:55:31
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+2 body obtained!
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By Odin.Godofgods 2010-12-16 11:21:35
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2010-12-16 12:40:54
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2010-12-16 13:27:51
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Phoenix.Hagino said:
Here are my gear sets, my evasion set has two kila +2 eva for daggers, TP set i currently have a glavoid stage twashtar (20/50) but i mainhand a dex kila +2 and offhand auric. I am really proud of my evasion set.

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If I may Critique a bit? If you're in abyssea you're massively over-killing your accuracy if you're using Razed Ruins/Cruor buffs, and i mean -massive- overkill.

your mantle could probably due an upgrade to Foragers/Cerb+1 or that Atk+20 Sbtblow+5 back.

Second ring might be due for an upgrade, go grab an Epona's now :P drops from Rani

Outside of Abyssea, those above sets seem good if you can find a mob thats level 100+ otherwise you're still over-killing the accuracy.

Edit: You're capping haste with that set up and It's nice. I'm curious if switching from PCC > Tiercal and those Baller's for THF+2 to further enhance the set bonus would be worth the lose of 2% Haste.
-- I think it is. You're @ 27% haste with your current set up, 1.8% overkill or so. Remove those boots for your +2 Empyrean for full-benefit from the entire set, and you're @ 23%, Add Tiercal and you're @ 24%... Hmmm, I think it might be worth it if its anything like the WoTG Armor and Part set gives bonus + Full set doubles the bonus.

Edit2: I Didn't know this was 3 pages long.
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2010-12-16 14:42:42
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I'm normally doing NMs and zone bosses with my thf so the acc does help, even with RR while fighting things such as flame skimmer i have acc issues haha.

Im currently working on getting epona's ring right now, we're building pops for it. I also am working on my twashtar and planning to offhand a twilight dagger and replace the belt with twilight belt along with atheling mantle. As for the neck piece im still trying to get a love torque~

I only eat red curry buns now haha.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 14:52:59
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Swapping to Homam feet would retain true capped haste and add 6 more acc and 5 more attack, small though it may be.
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By Unicorn.Lillaly 2010-12-16 15:10:49
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So did the EVA thing ever get settled?

I was thinking (not i'm not big into the number crunching or following minute details about formulas) but what if +Eva skill increased the base evade rate, whereas +Eva increased said chance to evade. where +1 skill = +1 Eva but +1 skill also says "Hey i can evade slightly higer ACC Attacks then you"

Sorry if that didnt make much sense, but meh its my 2 cents.
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2010-12-16 15:25:13
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Swapping to Homam feet would retain true capped haste and add 6 more acc and 5 more attack, small though it may be.

i was thinking about that last night as well
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2010-12-16 15:32:01
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Phoenix.Hagino said:
I'm normally doing NMs and zone bosses with my thf so the acc does help, even with RR while fighting things such as flame skimmer i have acc issues haha.

Im currently working on getting epona's ring right now, we're building pops for it. I also am working on my twashtar and planning to offhand a twilight dagger and replace the belt with twilight belt along with atheling mantle. As for the neck piece im still trying to get a love torque~

I only eat red curry buns now haha.

Even with Feint Fighting things like "Flame skimmer" will still give you accuracy troubles.

Flame skimmer, Indrik, and the Teir III VNM in Vunkerl are the only mobs i have accuracy issues with on THF, and even if you piled on the accuracy for those mobs you'd still likely never hit 95%.

But for every other NM in the entire game, You are over-killing Accuracy to some degree.

IDK what changes i can suggest though :|
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 15:32:14
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Unicorn.Lillaly said:
So did the EVA thing ever get settled?

I was thinking (not i'm not big into the number crunching or following minute details about formulas) but what if +Eva skill increased the base evade rate, whereas +Eva increased said chance to evade. where +1 skill = +1 Eva but +1 skill also says "Hey i can evade slightly higer ACC Attacks then you"

Sorry if that didnt make much sense, but meh its my 2 cents.
I'm afraid that not only makes no sense, it doesn't even appear to conform to how hitrate is calculated.

EDIT: speaking of which, if we can reverse-engineer mob AGI why can't we just check hitrate on a THF mob to settle this?
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2010-12-16 15:59:16
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Asura.Karbuncle said:
Phoenix.Hagino said:
I'm normally doing NMs and zone bosses with my thf so the acc does help, even with RR while fighting things such as flame skimmer i have acc issues haha.

Im currently working on getting epona's ring right now, we're building pops for it. I also am working on my twashtar and planning to offhand a twilight dagger and replace the belt with twilight belt along with atheling mantle. As for the neck piece im still trying to get a love torque~

I only eat red curry buns now haha.

Even with Feint Fighting things like "Flame skimmer" will still give you accuracy troubles.

Flame skimmer, Indrik, and the Teir III VNM in Vunkerl are the only mobs i have accuracy issues with on THF, and even if you piled on the accuracy for those mobs you'd still likely never hit 95%.

But for every other NM in the entire game, You are over-killing Accuracy to some degree.

IDK what changes i can suggest though :|

I cant really remove any of the pieces though because if i do i lose haste~ the only slot thats really playable is the neck, the back piece is really dex for crit~ ring isnt even something i think about since i will WILL get an epona's ring
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By Unicorn.Lillaly 2010-12-16 16:15:21
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Unicorn.Lillaly said:
So did the EVA thing ever get settled?

I was thinking (not i'm not big into the number crunching or following minute details about formulas) but what if +Eva skill increased the base evade rate, whereas +Eva increased said chance to evade. where +1 skill = +1 Eva but +1 skill also says "Hey i can evade slightly higer ACC Attacks then you"

Sorry if that didnt make much sense, but meh its my 2 cents.
I'm afraid that not only makes no sense, it doesn't even appear to conform to how hitrate is calculated.

EDIT: speaking of which, if we can reverse-engineer mob AGI why can't we just check hitrate on a THF mob to settle this?

Eh it sounded it good in my head, granted so do a lot of things.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 16:17:29
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dDEX caps, RR + furtherances should have you well above cap. The 5 DEX on Nifty isn't really adding anything for you for TP except accuracy. For WS... barring SAWS, Nifty is only going to win if it brings you almost exactly to capped pDIF, or maybe if you somehow lack accuracy. Forager's or Cavaros would be better in all but the most finely tuned situations. Not sure how the DA mantle stacks up on WS (definitely strong for TP) given Triple Attack trait and a 6-hit WS (including offhand), but it's probably still best given the lack of a STR mod on dagger WS.
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2010-12-16 16:35:22
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the plan is to get the DA mantle haha~ i need cerb nails down the road anyways, i might pick up a cerb +1 to TP in and might try for the carvaros mantle for WS until i pick up the atheling mantle

Duoed my Aias bonnet with my mule

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