Asura.Loneshadow said: »
For Fudo. Cerb +1 or Atheling?
Tachi Fudo
Tachi Fudo
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: »
They'll only be equipped for Fudo while Sekkanoki's active, this is the same rule I use.
Is there a way to code them for WS only during Sekka? Or do you mean it already does that?
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: »
They'll only be equipped for Fudo while Sekkanoki's active, this is the same rule I use.
Is there a way to code them for WS only during Sekka? Or do you mean it already does that?
sorry for delayed response, didnt know there was posting still going on for this. how it works is, it equips unkai kote +1/2 for the first ws in your sekk skillchain. then when you hit your next ws macro in the two step chai,n it changes to heafoc mitts(if those are the hands you normally ws in.)
so to answer your second question, yes, they already do that. the code listed on page ten does work.
check page 10, and look at ironguy's post
i mean its not testing but its explained pretty clear, there
i mean its not testing but its explained pretty clear, there
Theyre pretty even tbh, its a give or take kind of piece. If youre getting the full str wsc from it, it will pull ahead, if not, atheling will pull ahead on NMs without cor/drinks/zerkdown, the difference being pretty small though.
Honestly if youre asking for inventory space, things like beir belt +1, snow belt, snow gorget, unkai sug., Ire torque +1 are all inventory +1 half the time if you have Justice Torque + Anguinus belt esp if you dont use the other pieces of gear on other jobs.
If you can spare the room, then yes these pieces become min/max pieces and push your damage slightly with each situation its good for.
Honestly if youre asking for inventory space, things like beir belt +1, snow belt, snow gorget, unkai sug., Ire torque +1 are all inventory +1 half the time if you have Justice Torque + Anguinus belt esp if you dont use the other pieces of gear on other jobs.
If you can spare the room, then yes these pieces become min/max pieces and push your damage slightly with each situation its good for.
Sam destroys inside and outside of abyssea mine does anyway. All NM in abyss you proc then destroy and Sam does just that. What I'm saying is play Sam and WS the crap out of everything. Don't be scared Sam can tank like a champ also.
SAM is among the worst tanks available in Abyssea, as well as being one of the worst damage sources in Abyssea.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
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What situation gives sam a dramatic weakness because i have not found any my SAM looks far from HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE on any NM or xp mob maybe too many ppl focus on mnk war to actually make Sam what it should be.
Almost two years later, and this needs to be explained?
Assuming you even have Fudo, you're averaging half or less of any good MNK, WAR, NIN, DRG, RNG's WS damage, while maintaining a WS frequency that's hardly, if at all higher than any other 2-handed melee.
Assuming you even have Fudo, you're averaging half or less of any good MNK, WAR, NIN, DRG, RNG's WS damage, while maintaining a WS frequency that's hardly, if at all higher than any other 2-handed melee.
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
SAM is among the worst tanks available in Abyssea, as well as being one of the worst damage sources in Abyssea.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
Carbuncle.Kerokun said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
SAM is among the worst tanks available in Abyssea, as well as being one of the worst damage sources in Abyssea.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
I instinctively want to be facetious, but I'm not even sure where you were going with that.
I don't do 2k 3k Fudo's i do 4-6k fudos only mob to drop my ws dmg down so far is hedgedget and i was still hittin 3k fudos with dark and light sc's and a few light sc's without either job abilities, i also had to tank since Nin got nailed with hellscissors and poison finished him off i did not die and continued dealing damage while tanking.
Makado said: »
I don't do 2k 3k Fudo's i do 4-6k fudos only mob to drop my ws dmg down so far is hedgedget and i was still hittin 3k fudos with dark and light sc's and a few light sc's without either job abilities, i also had to tank since Nin got nailed with hellscissors and poison finished him off i did not die and continued dealing damage while tanking.
So, your spikes are nice and you're dropping all dps atmas for ws atmas and destroying your overall damage, while still doing average damage of ukko's and smite on your infrequent spikes.
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You can't compare SAM damage-wise inside, especially on mobs with higher def, to MNK WAR etc. If you can, well then the people you play with aren't that good at optimizing their gear/atma choices.
Still, damage inside abyssea aside, SAM is a great tank when taking into account the defensive side of the job + gear available as well as the ability to sub whateverthefuck you want to potentially increase your potency as a tank... IF you wanna look at it as just a tank.
Still, damage inside abyssea aside, SAM is a great tank when taking into account the defensive side of the job + gear available as well as the ability to sub whateverthefuck you want to potentially increase your potency as a tank... IF you wanna look at it as just a tank.
TA procs on your Smiting Blow, Voracious Violet Fudos don't make SAM a good DD inside Abyssea.
I'm glad you can continue to deal damage while tanking, though. Bravo.
I'm glad you can continue to deal damage while tanking, though. Bravo.
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Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Carbuncle.Kerokun said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
SAM is among the worst tanks available in Abyssea, as well as being one of the worst damage sources in Abyssea.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
I instinctively want to be facetious, but I'm not even sure where you were going with that.
...Naw, was just playing devil's advocate. :x
srs, I think you're being too critical of SAM's use in Abyssea. I've got Masa SAM and Kannagi NIN (let me brag; they're my only two Empys), and there isn't a situation in Abyssea where I'd come SAM over NIN, but it's not as if the job is useless. It can be a pretty balanced support DD with Sekka and Konzen. Set up dem skillchains for moar powerful crit WS.
...Yet Makado's idea of SAM is a bit too inflated. I'm major SAM homeboy, and I don't think it's quite THAT good in Abyssea--at least those numbers can't be with the overall goodness that is RR.
Makado said: »
I don't do 2k 3k Fudo's i do 4-6k fudos only mob to drop my ws dmg down so far is hedgedget and i was still hittin 3k fudos with dark and light sc's and a few light sc's without either job abilities, i also had to tank since Nin got nailed with hellscissors and poison finished him off i did not die and continued dealing damage while tanking.
You must only fight fodder NMs/EXP mobs then. I've done a Tachi: Jinpu for 9k and 11k on Bluffalo. Doesn't mean SAM "destroys" inside Abyssea.
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
You can't compare SAM damage-wise inside, especially on mobs with higher def, to MNK WAR etc. If you can, well then the people you play with aren't that good at optimizing their gear/atma choices.
Still, damage inside abyssea aside, SAM is a great tank when taking into account the defensive side of the job + gear available as well as the ability to sub whateverthefuck you want to potentially increase your potency as a tank... IF you wanna look at it as just a tank.
Still, damage inside abyssea aside, SAM is a great tank when taking into account the defensive side of the job + gear available as well as the ability to sub whateverthefuck you want to potentially increase your potency as a tank... IF you wanna look at it as just a tank.
Not that you didn't subtly say so yourself, but Seigan makes SAM tremendously worse than it already is. Unless your only competition is a WHM, you're not tanking anything.
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
You can't compare SAM damage-wise inside, especially on mobs with higher def, to MNK WAR etc. If you can, well then the people you play with aren't that good at optimizing their gear/atma choices.
Still, damage inside abyssea aside, SAM is a great tank when taking into account the defensive side of the job + gear available as well as the ability to sub whateverthefuck you want to potentially increase your potency as a tank... IF you wanna look at it as just a tank.
Still, damage inside abyssea aside, SAM is a great tank when taking into account the defensive side of the job + gear available as well as the ability to sub whateverthefuck you want to potentially increase your potency as a tank... IF you wanna look at it as just a tank.
Not that you didn't subtly say so yourself, but Seigan makes SAM tremendously worse than it already is. Unless your only competition is a WHM, you're not tanking anything.
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Carbuncle.Kerokun said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Carbuncle.Kerokun said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
SAM is among the worst tanks available in Abyssea, as well as being one of the worst damage sources in Abyssea.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
SAM is good outside, you just make the job look HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you pretend it doesn't have a dramatic weakness in specific situations.
I instinctively want to be facetious, but I'm not even sure where you were going with that.
...Naw, was just playing devil's advocate. :x
srs, I think you're being too critical of SAM's use in Abyssea. I've got Masa SAM and Kannagi NIN (let me brag; they're my only two Empys), and there isn't a situation in Abyssea where I'd come SAM over NIN, but it's not as if the job is useless. It can be a pretty balanced support DD with Sekka and Konzen. Set up dem skillchains for moar powerful crit WS.
...Yet Makado's idea of SAM is a bit too inflated. I'm major SAM homeboy, and I don't think it's quite THAT good in Abyssea--at least those numbers can't be with the overall goodness that is RR.
I've got a Masa SAM and a Gamby WHM. One of them deals more damage than the other, tanks better, and offers a tremendous amount more overall utility.
I don't think I'm too critical of SAM in Abyssea, I just get lost when people try to create a workable situation for one of the most horrendous options for a given situation. Work with its strengths(Voidwatch, Neo-Dyna higher tier NM), accept its weaknesses(virtually everything else)
Makado said: »
I don't do 2k 3k Fudo's i do 4-6k fudos only mob to drop my ws dmg down so far is hedgedget and i was still hittin 3k fudos with dark and light sc's and a few light sc's without either job abilities, i also had to tank since Nin got nailed with hellscissors and poison finished him off i did not die and continued dealing damage while tanking.
I outdamage most SAMs with my mediocre BRD DD set
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
You can't compare SAM damage-wise inside, especially on mobs with higher def, to MNK WAR etc. If you can, well then the people you play with aren't that good at optimizing their gear/atma choices.
Still, damage inside abyssea aside, SAM is a great tank when taking into account the defensive side of the job + gear available as well as the ability to sub whateverthefuck you want to potentially increase your potency as a tank... IF you wanna look at it as just a tank.
Still, damage inside abyssea aside, SAM is a great tank when taking into account the defensive side of the job + gear available as well as the ability to sub whateverthefuck you want to potentially increase your potency as a tank... IF you wanna look at it as just a tank.
Not that you didn't subtly say so yourself, but Seigan makes SAM tremendously worse than it already is. Unless your only competition is a WHM, you're not tanking anything.
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Dodu really doesn't rage or get angry, he's just very blunt and straightforward.
I don't 'think' he was serious.
I'm trying out a new avatar to see if it makes people less inclined to automatically assume I'm bashing skulls behind my monitor.
I'm trying out a new avatar to see if it makes people less inclined to automatically assume I'm bashing skulls behind my monitor.
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
I don't 'think' he was serious.
I'm trying out a new avatar to see if it makes people less inclined to automatically assume I'm bashing skulls behind my monitor.
I'm trying out a new avatar to see if it makes people less inclined to automatically assume I'm bashing skulls behind my monitor.
THE KITTEN MAKES YOU LOOK PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE.
...Oh, and I'm a bit of a tarufag, so I'm biased.
Leviathan.Dodu said: »
I don't 'think' he was serious.
I'm trying out a new avatar to see if it makes people less inclined to automatically assume I'm bashing skulls behind my monitor.
I'm trying out a new avatar to see if it makes people less inclined to automatically assume I'm bashing skulls behind my monitor.
That old avatar + the way you write most things gave me that impression. :D
If at any point you think I take myself too seriously, try to remember that, more often than not, I'm discussing such-n-such topic in my underwear, listening to Regina Spektor, and eating Lucky Charms.
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I do that dmg with crit atma so i dont lose aftermath crit dmg so my dot is just fine. And 9k 11k jinpu on mobs that don't have that much hp since when does a 2 hit ws show full dmg if you exceed said enemies hp with it???
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