|
|
Anyone interested
 Quetzalcoatl.Volkom
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1294
By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-30 14:34:37
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: considering I don't cheat the system or others no, everything I've obtained in FFXI I deserve. Have you ever used this website called FFXIAH to check your sales or prices? What? Yes? Welcome to the cheating club. reading data that's available in game but online in a more organized fashion is far from cheating, however using a program to affect claims (unfairly) or any method similar that without the program isn't possible at all, is cheating. if it gets you what you want faster than normal standards its cheating.
if it makes things more convienent than normal standards its not cheating?
•Cheating in video games involves a video game player using non-standard methods for creating an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually to make the game easier. Cheats include advantages such as invulnerability ("God mode") or an infinite amount of some resource such as ammunition. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_(video_games)
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 11972
By Ramuh.Laffter 2010-10-30 14:36:22
Using FFXIAH is pretty much the same as asking a friend to check the AH history in-game to see if you sold an item. :/
Way to over-exaggerate.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9001
By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-30 14:37:14
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: considering I don't cheat the system or others no, everything I've obtained in FFXI I deserve. Have you ever used this website called FFXIAH to check your sales or prices? What? Yes? Welcome to the cheating club. reading data that's available in game but online in a more organized fashion is far from cheating, however using a program to affect claims (unfairly) or any method similar that without the program isn't possible at all, is cheating. if it gets you what you want faster than normal standards its cheating.
if it makes things more convienent than normal standards its not cheating?
•Cheating in video games involves a video game player using non-standard methods for creating an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually to make the game easier. Cheats include advantages such as invulnerability ("God mode") or an infinite amount of some resource such as ammunition. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_(video_games) both violate the technical terms of service, however ffxiah.com is a form that isn't cheating, altering the game is different from using the information and organizing it. I feel bad for you who fail to realize the difference.
 Bahamut.Aeronis
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1838
By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-30 14:38:15
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: considering I don't cheat the system or others no, everything in FFXI I deserve. Someone is surely on their high horse~ read post above. Point still goes :P But seriously, PC users will still use Windower, cheats, bots etc whether you protest it or not. It's an advantage, so clearly, if you have the chance to take an advantage, you will. Not everyone in the world is a humanitarian looking out for the greater good of everyone and anyone. not everyone will cheat to obtain the advantage, your point is ***. What are you saying? You don't even know me, the "cheats" I'm using, or what I even use them for, how can you say I should be banned for changing 9 pieces of gear in one macro, or knowing the current time so I can get to the movies on time, or knowing the DNCs TP so I can HELP with curing the damn party? Are you that butthurt because I can play Minesweeper and FFXI at the same time?
Bahamut.Jetackuu
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9001
By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-30 14:39:02
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Tbh they've already stated what they meant by cheating, when I asked if Windower = cheating, or specific things like bots.
I see their point, even if I disagree with it. Dunno why you guys can't. lol the difference is, botting and hacking affect others without control, nothing else does.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9001
By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-30 14:40:12
Bahamut.Aeronis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: considering I don't cheat the system or others no, everything in FFXI I deserve. Someone is surely on their high horse~ read post above. Point still goes :P But seriously, PC users will still use Windower, cheats, bots etc whether you protest it or not. It's an advantage, so clearly, if you have the chance to take an advantage, you will. Not everyone in the world is a humanitarian looking out for the greater good of everyone and anyone. not everyone will cheat to obtain the advantage, your point is ***. What are you saying? You don't even know me, the "cheats" I'm using, or what I even use them for, how can you say I should be banned for changing 9 pieces of gear in one macro, or knowing the current time so I can get to the movies on time, or knowing the DNCs TP so I can HELP with curing the damn party? Are you that butthurt because I can play Minesweeper and FFXI at the same time? Using bots to gain an advantage is cheating. Whether or not you use them doesn't make a ***to me, it's your loss for being a douche.
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 11972
By Ramuh.Laffter 2010-10-30 14:40:20
In regards to Windower, the only plug-in I'm not comfortable using is Tparty. The TP of your team members is not normally something you'd have right off the bat.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9001
By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-30 14:40:53
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Yeah there's a pretty huge difference between packet botting and flee hacking, and just using windower and some plugins.
Most of the plugins as someone stated ARE just things you can normally calculate for the most part (alot of timers), although some read things from memory that ARE there and just unseeable. Then "grey areas" like spellcast.
At least, I'm hoping this is the distinction Jetackuu is trying to make. If so, I agree with separating it into realistic cheating rather than technicalities. more or less.
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 11972
By Ramuh.Laffter 2010-10-30 14:44:27
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Sorry guys, didn't mean to but in with my bs. Continue the fight.
;b Barti, what'd you do? You created order! D:
Bahamut.Aeronis
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1838
By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-30 14:44:40
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Using bots to gain an advantage is cheating. Whether or not you use them doesn't make a ***to me, it's your loss for being a douche. Hey, just a tip for arguing in a classy manner: Don't attack the opposing person themself, it's not a smart way to get your point across.
And I don't know about you, but I don't come here to make enemies with people.
[+]
 Cerberus.Kvazz
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5345
By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-30 15:00:08
I dont really see the difference with using windower and using a bot tbh.
Fillmode, distance, spellcast and the possibility to use scripts as macroes are just as much cheating as botting in my opinion.
Windower4 is basicly a bot aswell >_>
Edit: What I mean by this, using windower makes you just as much of a bad person as those who bot.
We'r all evil cheaters!
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1308
By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-30 15:00:25
Oh dear god, this thread is still going and Jeta is still stating nonsense...
What is this I don't even...
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1294
By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-30 15:02:30
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Oh dear god, this thread is still going and Jeta is still stating nonsense... What is this I don't even... reminds of me soda vs pop vs coke
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 11972
By Ramuh.Laffter 2010-10-30 15:02:41
Cerberus.Kvazz said: I dont really see the difference with using windower and using a bot tbh.
Fillmode, distance, spellcast and the possibility to use scripts as macroes are just as much cheating as botting in my opinion.
Windower4 is basicly a bot aswell >_> Distance is easily calculated and judged on sight alone.
As for those other ones, I've never touched 'em.
Cerberus.Kvazz
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5345
By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-30 15:06:09
Ramuh.Laffter said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: I dont really see the difference with using windower and using a bot tbh.
Fillmode, distance, spellcast and the possibility to use scripts as macroes are just as much cheating as botting in my opinion.
Windower4 is basicly a bot aswell >_> Distance is easily calculated and judged on sight alone.
As for those other ones, I've never touched 'em.
Beeing able to see how far away the enemy is when it's behind you is easy? Sure:P
Let's say you kite, dont have time to turn around.
You know the enemy is far behind you because of the plugin, when it gets to like 24thingies away from you, you can push a macro and start casting a spell, with knowing the enemy is just barely going to hit you.
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 11972
By Ramuh.Laffter 2010-10-30 15:08:35
Mm, well, I don't play a kiting job and I never have mobs behind me targeted.
Guess it's situational. :P
Ramuh.Haseyo
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 22442
By Ramuh.Haseyo 2010-10-30 21:25:38
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Oh dear god, this thread is still going and Jeta is still stating nonsense... What is this I don't even... reminds of me soda vs pop vs coke
What's the difference between "soda" and "pop?"
Thought pop was just what old farts call soda.
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1308
By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-30 21:34:11
Ramuh.Haseyo said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Oh dear god, this thread is still going and Jeta is still stating nonsense... What is this I don't even... reminds of me soda vs pop vs coke
What's the difference between "soda" and "pop?"
Thought pop was just what old farts call soda.
Depends on the region you live in. Some people call it "pop" ...others call it "soda."
I personally think that soda is a better word.
Bahamut.Serj
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6179
By Bahamut.Serj 2010-10-30 21:37:47
Jeta is such a silly person
/lurk
[+]
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1294
By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-30 21:40:08
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Ramuh.Haseyo said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Oh dear god, this thread is still going and Jeta is still stating nonsense... What is this I don't even... reminds of me soda vs pop vs coke What's the difference between "soda" and "pop?" Thought pop was just what old farts call soda. Depends on the region you live in. Some people call it "pop" ...others call it "soda." I personally think that soda is a better word. best map ever
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1308
By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-30 21:40:31
Bahamut.Serj said: Jeta is such a silly person
Yes, he rages very quickly and easily.
[+]
Ramuh.Haseyo
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 22442
By Ramuh.Haseyo 2010-10-30 21:43:14
Coke is short for the brand Coca Cola, so I think it's down right silly to call all soda "coke." If someone says coke over here (or anywhere on the East Coast) they mean Coca Cola, or it is assumed they are. The map seems accurate for at least where I live :P
 Fenrir.Mariane
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1766
By Fenrir.Mariane 2010-10-30 21:47:50
You know what ?
It all began with a guy trying to sell his PS2 Hard disk Drive or so the legend says.
Look the mess this thread became.
 Carbuncle.Sevourn
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9481
By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-10-30 21:49:31
Fenrir.Mariane said: You know what ?
It all began with a guy trying to sell his PS2 Hard disk Drive or so the legend says.
Look the mess this thread became.
if i was trying to sell a hard drive, i'd rather have people argue and bump my thread
than for everyone to get along and let it fall to the bottom and die
no such thing as bad publicity
Ramuh.Haseyo
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 22442
By Ramuh.Haseyo 2010-10-30 21:49:57
Fenrir.Mariane said: You know what ?
It all began with a guy trying to sell his PS2 Hard disk Drive or so the legend says.
Look the mess this thread became.
Any thread past two pages that isn't about religion or politics becomes a hot mess, usually turning into religion or politics. Or soda. I like soda.
Going to put a Ps2 with Hardrive/FF11 and all expansions up to Wing of the goddess, with an adapter for sale on Ebay just wondering if anyone is interested before I put it up.
email me at Dennis_macura@yahoo.com with price
|
|
