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Quetzalcoatl.Volkom
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 03:44:50
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I already said graphics aren't taken into consideration for a reason, you don't *** read. I already told you that you should take everything into consideration. I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality. I've stated from the beginning that graphics aren't a point on this. I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality. Ignoring one of the PC's main points is just dumb, sorry. It doesn't help your case. This game simply sucks on PS2. Nothing you say will change that. not everyone is a graphics ***, not everyone requires the use of a widower and it's plugins. your last point is pure opinion. graphics don't make or break games regardless, so please shut up. Keep telling yourself that~ off topic kinda. what graphic engine is FFXIV? is it their own proprietary stuff or is it dreamworld?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:48:50
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void? no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 03:50:07
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void? no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null. umm...
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:51:19
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
I already said graphics aren't taken into consideration for a reason, you don't *** read.
I already told you that you should take everything into consideration.
I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality. I've stated from the beginning that graphics aren't a point on this.
I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality.
Ignoring one of the PC's main points is just dumb, sorry.
It doesn't help your case.
This game simply sucks on PS2. Nothing you say will change that. not everyone is a graphics ***, not everyone requires the use of a widower and it's plugins.
your last point is pure opinion.
graphics don't make or break games regardless, so please shut up.
Keep telling yourself that~
graphics don't make or break games, that's widely known. Short of tools who play games only because "herp derp that looks cool man" some people care more about stability and game play.
You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point trying to explain it to you.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:52:25
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void? no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null. umm...
why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware.
sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 03:55:03
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void? no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null. umm... why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware. sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs. *sigh* PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade...
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:57:58
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void? no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null. umm... why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware. sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs. *sigh* PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade... well if SE would have taken the time to recode it, it wouldn't be as bad, but then there would have been more compatibility issues (maybe), unfortunately if we are hoping for an upgraded release, they would have to recode the game, and that costs a lot of money.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-10-31 03:58:22
You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@;
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 03:59:51
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@; They'd have to rewrite the game to work on a new system, instead of just emulating it, um yeah I do.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 04:00:19
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void? no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null. umm... why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware. sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs. *sigh* PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade... well if SE would have taken the time to recode it, it wouldn't be as bad, but then there would have been more compatibility issues (maybe), unfortunately if we are hoping for an upgraded release, they would have to recode the game, and that costs a lot of money. again...PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade...
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-10-31 04:01:12
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@; They'd have to rewrite the game to work on a new system, instead of just emulating it, um yeah I do.
Think about this.
If they can port it, that means there's working code for it prewritten.
When you have to fix bugs, do you recode the whole system?
Project management is your friend.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 04:01:56
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: I can understand that PS2 may run FFXI more efficiently since its just focusing on that 1 game. unlike PC, theres a lot of background programs and other applications that people use while running FFXI....but.....i'm not sure how many programs are running in the background of a PS2 when a game is running. however....PC has better processors and more memory =3 so...i think that argument is void? no it has to do with the coding of the game, otherwise just a faster cpu would make the rest null. umm... why do you think the emotion engine emulation on the ps3 doesn't run ps2 games as well as the ps3's with the emotion engine built in (60gb)? Because they're coded for that hardware. sure you can get emulation to run great, however it won't always be the same. This stems from the problem that SE didn't recode the game, mostly probably to save on budget costs. *sigh* PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade... well if SE would have taken the time to recode it, it wouldn't be as bad, but then there would have been more compatibility issues (maybe), unfortunately if we are hoping for an upgraded release, they would have to recode the game, and that costs a lot of money. again...PS2 limitations gimping everyone's parade... sort of, but it's more like the software's limitations gimping everyone's parade. It's not the fault of the PS2 that they based the game on it's engine.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 04:03:27
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@; They'd have to rewrite the game to work on a new system, instead of just emulating it, um yeah I do. Think about this. If they can port it, that means there's working code for it prewritten. When you have to fix bugs, do you recode the whole system? Project management is your friend. don't forget code comments :D
oh oh and if your fixing bugs, you don't want to recode the whole system~ cuz then you just wasted time/may make the same mistake xD
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 04:03:56
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: You really, really, don't know what you're talking about from a software perspective @.@; They'd have to rewrite the game to work on a new system, instead of just emulating it, um yeah I do.
Think about this.
If they can port it, that means there's working code for it prewritten.
When you have to fix bugs, do you recode the whole system?
Project management is your friend.
bolded: no.
also
no,
last part, indeed.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 04:05:10
there's a difference between a full port, and an emulation port, the former is rewritten, the latter a program is emulating the original (usually poorly) (also ffxi's case)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2010-10-31 04:08:42
PS2 (console advantage/disadvantage) The most obvious advantage consoles have over PCs is cost. The majority of consoles sell for well under $500, often with a couple games in the bundle. A PC adequate for running the latest games can easily cost twice that much.
The second most obvious advantage is simplicity. Let's face it, PC gaming can be a technical nightmare compared to console gaming. People can actually take a console home and be playing a game within minutes. No operating systems to configure or drivers to update, and better still, no purchasing a game only to find out that it isn't compatible with your PC for some obscure reason.
Multiplayer gaming is also made easy with companies like Microsoft offering online services for their product. The Xbox, which came equipped with a network card, raised the bar for consoles in this regard, making it a simple matter to hook it up to a DSL or Cable Internet connection and get into a multiplayer game on Xbox Live, complete with voice chat.
Another appealing thing about consoles is that many people prefer to play games sitting on the couch, or they want to play with friends in the same room. While these things are possible on a PC, consoles are extremely well-suited for this right out of the box.
Console games are more readily rented than PC games, and more easily returned to the retailer if you're not satisfied with them. Generally speaking, it is difficult to return PC games because they are easy to copy.
Console games tend to have a relatively low learning curve. You might need fast thumbs, but you certainly won't need to spend hours in a "tutorial" trying to learn how to operate basic game functions.
Console Disadvantages
Although sealing everything into one unit does keep it simple, when some of the components inside the box become dated there's no way to solve the problem without replacing the entire console. In most cases, upgrades that could prolong the life of the system are not an option.
Consoles perform only one task really well, where PCs can be used for an extremely wide range of things. Some console manufacterers are trying to make them a little more flexible, but it will clearly be a long time before they support the staggering variety of applications that can be found for PCs.
There is a distinct lack of inter-connectivity between the different console brands. Many games are available for one type of console but not others, and when it comes to online play, each is typically restricted to its own network. This means that people with Xboxes can usually only play against other people with Xboxes, so, for example, there is no way for console gamers to jump into a fray on one of the countless PC Counter-Strike servers available. The PS2 has made some progress in this area, forging the way for cross-platform gaming between PS2 and PC users, but only a few titles support this right now.
While the PS2 network adapter supports both 56K modem and broadband connections to the Internet, broadband is required for Xbox online play. As well, Microsoft charges a yearly fee for use of the Xbox Live service. PC (advantage/disadvantage) One of the biggest advantages the PC has over consoles right now is that there are a lot more games available for the PC than there are for consoles, particularly when it comes to multiplayer online games. Not only are the vast majority of MMOGs designed for the PC, but PC gamers also have the option to play MUDs, email games, browser games, and a wide variety of titles that are distributed digitally or available as free downloads.
As mentioned above, another clear advantage PCs have over consoles is that you can use them for a lot more than playing games. Furthermore, if you like to modify games or edit maps for them, a PC is essential, and you have to take a break from gaming sometime to read gaming sites.
PCs are always on the cutting edge of gaming technology. The current generation of consoles with high-definition capabilities did briefly narrow the gap, but well-equipped PCs continue to offer superior graphics. Computer monitors can be found with considerably higher resolutions than HDTVs, and the latest multi-core processors and dual GPU solutions make it possible to build a remarkably powerful game system. Even if a console offers incredible technology upon its release, there is no way for it to compete with the rapid hardware advancements that have become a way of life in the computer industry.
When it comes online gaming, PCs give people a variety of ways to connect to the Internet, and to each other, which aren't restricted to proprietary services or software. Different brands of computer and event different operating systems generally communicate very well with one another. This is quite different from services like Xbox Live, for example, which is the only option available to Xbox users that want to play online, and is closed to everyone that doesn't have an Xbox.
Finally, as your PC ages, there is a reasonable chance of extending its gaming life with a component upgrade, although it can get a bit messy.
PC Disadvantages
While PCs have come down considerably in price over the years, they are still quite expensive compared to consoles. There ways to economize on a PC, such as building it yourself, but it's not easy to get the cost of a PC down to a price comparable to even the most expensive console.
Computers are also getting a little more user friendly, but eventually every PC gamer will encounter some technical complication that interferes with their gaming, be it a device driver that needs updating or components that are simply incompatible. PCs are also much more vulnerable to viruses and other security breaches.
The truth is, installing a game on your computer is always a bit of a gamble. You never really know if it's going to work until you're actually playing the game, and even then, in the back of your mind, you're expecting it to crash at any moment.
Unlike most console games, PC games have the potential to get ridiculously complicated. This can give a game depth, but it can also result in tedious arrays of keyboard commands and lengthy tutorials which one must endure to learn how to play.
PC games are often not well-suited for playing on the couch, especially given that the mouse and keyboard are the preferred PC game controllers. Unlike console games, you also won't find many PC games that support two players on one machine at the same time. http://internetgames.about.com/od/hardware/a/pcvsconsole_2.htm
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 04:11:52
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said: PS2 (console advantage/disadvantage) The most obvious advantage consoles have over PCs is cost. The majority of consoles sell for well under $500, often with a couple games in the bundle. A PC adequate for running the latest games can easily cost twice that much.
The second most obvious advantage is simplicity. Let's face it, PC gaming can be a technical nightmare compared to console gaming. People can actually take a console home and be playing a game within minutes. No operating systems to configure or drivers to update, and better still, no purchasing a game only to find out that it isn't compatible with your PC for some obscure reason.
Multiplayer gaming is also made easy with companies like Microsoft offering online services for their product. The Xbox, which came equipped with a network card, raised the bar for consoles in this regard, making it a simple matter to hook it up to a DSL or Cable Internet connection and get into a multiplayer game on Xbox Live, complete with voice chat.
Another appealing thing about consoles is that many people prefer to play games sitting on the couch, or they want to play with friends in the same room. While these things are possible on a PC, consoles are extremely well-suited for this right out of the box.
Console games are more readily rented than PC games, and more easily returned to the retailer if you're not satisfied with them. Generally speaking, it is difficult to return PC games because they are easy to copy.
Console games tend to have a relatively low learning curve. You might need fast thumbs, but you certainly won't need to spend hours in a "tutorial" trying to learn how to operate basic game functions.
Console Disadvantages
Although sealing everything into one unit does keep it simple, when some of the components inside the box become dated there's no way to solve the problem without replacing the entire console. In most cases, upgrades that could prolong the life of the system are not an option.
Consoles perform only one task really well, where PCs can be used for an extremely wide range of things. Some console manufacterers are trying to make them a little more flexible, but it will clearly be a long time before they support the staggering variety of applications that can be found for PCs.
There is a distinct lack of inter-connectivity between the different console brands. Many games are available for one type of console but not others, and when it comes to online play, each is typically restricted to its own network. This means that people with Xboxes can usually only play against other people with Xboxes, so, for example, there is no way for console gamers to jump into a fray on one of the countless PC Counter-Strike servers available. The PS2 has made some progress in this area, forging the way for cross-platform gaming between PS2 and PC users, but only a few titles support this right now.
While the PS2 network adapter supports both 56K modem and broadband connections to the Internet, broadband is required for Xbox online play. As well, Microsoft charges a yearly fee for use of the Xbox Live service. PC (advantage/disadvantage) One of the biggest advantages the PC has over consoles right now is that there are a lot more games available for the PC than there are for consoles, particularly when it comes to multiplayer online games. Not only are the vast majority of MMOGs designed for the PC, but PC gamers also have the option to play MUDs, email games, browser games, and a wide variety of titles that are distributed digitally or available as free downloads.
As mentioned above, another clear advantage PCs have over consoles is that you can use them for a lot more than playing games. Furthermore, if you like to modify games or edit maps for them, a PC is essential, and you have to take a break from gaming sometime to read gaming sites.
PCs are always on the cutting edge of gaming technology. The current generation of consoles with high-definition capabilities did briefly narrow the gap, but well-equipped PCs continue to offer superior graphics. Computer monitors can be found with considerably higher resolutions than HDTVs, and the latest multi-core processors and dual GPU solutions make it possible to build a remarkably powerful game system. Even if a console offers incredible technology upon its release, there is no way for it to compete with the rapid hardware advancements that have become a way of life in the computer industry.
When it comes online gaming, PCs give people a variety of ways to connect to the Internet, and to each other, which aren't restricted to proprietary services or software. Different brands of computer and event different operating systems generally communicate very well with one another. This is quite different from services like Xbox Live, for example, which is the only option available to Xbox users that want to play online, and is closed to everyone that doesn't have an Xbox.
Finally, as your PC ages, there is a reasonable chance of extending its gaming life with a component upgrade, although it can get a bit messy.
PC Disadvantages
While PCs have come down considerably in price over the years, they are still quite expensive compared to consoles. There ways to economize on a PC, such as building it yourself, but it's not easy to get the cost of a PC down to a price comparable to even the most expensive console.
Computers are also getting a little more user friendly, but eventually every PC gamer will encounter some technical complication that interferes with their gaming, be it a device driver that needs updating or components that are simply incompatible. PCs are also much more vulnerable to viruses and other security breaches.
The truth is, installing a game on your computer is always a bit of a gamble. You never really know if it's going to work until you're actually playing the game, and even then, in the back of your mind, you're expecting it to crash at any moment.
Unlike most console games, PC games have the potential to get ridiculously complicated. This can give a game depth, but it can also result in tedious arrays of keyboard commands and lengthy tutorials which one must endure to learn how to play.
PC games are often not well-suited for playing on the couch, especially given that the mouse and keyboard are the preferred PC game controllers. Unlike console games, you also won't find many PC games that support two players on one machine at the same time. http://internetgames.about.com/od/hardware/a/pcvsconsole_2.htm
despite their effort this isn't what this was about.
try taking a different game say KH2 for instance, code an emulator for it to run on the pc, and package it as a pc game, which will it run better for? the ps2, obviously. emulation will always have glitches, now if somebody knows a way to do full on software emulation of hardware without glitches, be my motherfucking guest because nobody else has found a way.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 07:41:15
Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.
JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct.
[+]
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:00:00
Cerberus.Kvazz said: Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.
JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct. considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:02:02
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
try taking a different game say KH2 for instance, code an emulator for it to run on the pc, and package it as a pc game, which will it run better for? the ps2, obviously.
A very perfect example of a port that works better for console is RE4. Had it for GC, had it for PC. The flaws were numerous on PC. So bad that in the euro version they had to release a gamma patch because the game was too dark. Also textures just went to ***.
Sorry I know it's slightly random, and wasn't taking a side.. just made me think of that example. ;/
Oh and Oblivion. I KNOW I know the ps3 version was riddled with a few HORRIBLE glitches (like the vampire quest one), but I played it for a very extended amount of time on ps3 and pc. You basically have to download a half-gig mod to fix like 1000 bugs in the pc port of it. It's great on pc, but it's def not solid on fresh install. lol I'm not familiar with those games so I can't really say how they are done, sometimes games are recoded for their ports, sometimes they aren't, just depends on the studio making them and I guess their budget.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 13:06:57
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.
JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct. considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.
How much smoother? like.. some examples.. just tell us.. you must be able to explain some of it if it's really that bad.. :P
You'r just sounding like an idiot.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:08:09
Cerberus.Kvazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.
JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct. considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.
How much smoother? like.. some examples.. just tell us.. you must be able to explain some of it if it's really that bad.. :P
You'r just sounding like an idiot.
It just does, and I've already explained I'll make some videos later, just can't yet. $ and delivery time will be a hindrance.
also nice work on making a typo while calling somebody an idiot.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:11:41
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
I already said graphics aren't taken into consideration for a reason, you don't *** read.
I already told you that you should take everything into consideration.
I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality. I've stated from the beginning that graphics aren't a point on this.
I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality.
Ignoring one of the PC's main points is just dumb, sorry.
It doesn't help your case.
This game simply sucks on PS2. Nothing you say will change that. not everyone is a graphics ***, not everyone requires the use of a widower and it's plugins.
your last point is pure opinion.
graphics don't make or break games regardless, so please shut up.
Keep telling yourself that~
graphics don't make or break games, that's widely known.
Graphics are still part of the experience, that's widely known.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Short of tools who play games only because "herp derp that looks cool man" some people care more about stability and game play.
You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point trying to explain it to you.
Short of a tool named Jeta who claims that FFXI is better on PS2, most people care more about stability, game play, significantly less limitations, and significantly better graphics.
You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point in trying to explain it to you.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.
JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct. considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.
You keep implying that FFXI, on PC, is not a smooth running game. That's not true.
You should stop making stuff up, you're just making a fool of yourself.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:11:53
I'd like to thank Bartimaeus for being civil. Just saying.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-31 13:12:51
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.
JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct. considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.
How much smoother? like.. some examples.. just tell us.. you must be able to explain some of it if it's really that bad.. :P
You'r just sounding like an idiot.
It just does, and I've already explained I'll make some videos later, just can't yet. $ and delivery time will be a hindrance.
also nice work on making a typo while calling somebody an idiot.
Sorry for having an argument in a language that is'nt my native one :p
"It just does"... nice >_> Good point.
You sound just as clueless as the rest of us.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 13:13:52
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I'd like to thank Bartimaeus for being civil. Just saying.
You're such a hypocrite. Just saying.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:14:07
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
I already said graphics aren't taken into consideration for a reason, you don't *** read.
I already told you that you should take everything into consideration.
I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality. I've stated from the beginning that graphics aren't a point on this.
I suppose your poor reading skills prevent you from comprehending such a triviality.
Ignoring one of the PC's main points is just dumb, sorry.
It doesn't help your case.
This game simply sucks on PS2. Nothing you say will change that. not everyone is a graphics ***, not everyone requires the use of a widower and it's plugins.
your last point is pure opinion.
graphics don't make or break games regardless, so please shut up.
Keep telling yourself that~
graphics don't make or break games, that's widely known.
Graphics are still part of the experience, that's widely known.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Short of tools who play games only because "herp derp that looks cool man" some people care more about stability and game play.
You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point trying to explain it to you.
Short of a tool named Jeta who claims that FFXI is better on PS2, most people care more about stability, game play, significantly less limitations, and significantly better graphics.
You know what never mind, you're obviously void of knowing this so there's no point in trying to explain it to you.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.
JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct. considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.
You keep implying that FFXI, on PC, is not a smooth running game. That's not true.
You should stop making stuff up, you're just making a fool of yourself. I'm not making stuff up, just because you're too *** stupid to understand it. The game doesn't run as well on the pc as it does on the ps2, I made no claim as to it didn't run decently on the pc. When I say graphics aside the ps2 is better, I do not need to include graphics into the consideration, so seriously shut up.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:16:15
Cerberus.Kvazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Cerberus.Kvazz said: Jeta, you do understand that you bash everybody by saying "that's your opinion"?
Yet you think that the opinion you have is the correct one, even tho NOBODY agrees with you.
Why is YOUR opinion facts, while the others are just ***?
For everybody else, it's the other way around.
JETA = ***.
Everybody else = Correct. considering most of you guys are idiots that can't get a name right and have no idea what you're talking about.
The FACT that the game is designed and coded for the ps2 (and runs better on it because of it) is just how it is.
The rest (like whether you believe graphics are more important than a smooth running game) is subjective.
To me, graphics don't make or break games, to a lot of people this is also true.
How much smoother? like.. some examples.. just tell us.. you must be able to explain some of it if it's really that bad.. :P
You'r just sounding like an idiot.
It just does, and I've already explained I'll make some videos later, just can't yet. $ and delivery time will be a hindrance.
also nice work on making a typo while calling somebody an idiot.
Sorry for having an argument in a language that is'nt my native one :p
"It just does"... nice >_> Good point.
You sound just as clueless as the rest of us. The game is programmed for the ps2 and is emulated on the other systems, therefore it just does run better on the system it was designed for. I've already said this, it's your lack of understanding that prevents you from understanding.
Doesn't matter, it's still ironic.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-31 13:16:53
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I'd like to thank Bartimaeus for being civil. Just saying.
You're such a hypocrite. Just saying.
Na most of you are just stupid.
Going to put a Ps2 with Hardrive/FF11 and all expansions up to Wing of the goddess, with an adapter for sale on Ebay just wondering if anyone is interested before I put it up.
email me at Dennis_macura@yahoo.com with price
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