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FF XIV Reviews
By TheDubont 2010-10-08 12:28:18
Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: TheDubont said: Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: TheDubont said: I honestly don't see moving from FFXI to FFXIV any different than moving from COD:W@W to COD:MW2. It is the same thing just a new game >.>
ITT: RPGs = FPSs and completely different games with completely different stories are the same. but really, comparing FFXI to FFXIV is just like comparing W@W to MW2. There are different stories and features in each game, but it is still the same game. So how can someone say they don't like starting over in the same thing as far as FF, but can do so in COD? Have you even played FFXIV? The only thing that is remotely the same is it is a MMO and it has the same races. Please tell me what is exactly the same besides standard Final Fantasy lore?
You seem to be under the impression this is FFXI-2, which it is not. You are misunderstanding me. Yes I have played FFXIV if you even bothered to look. I did not initially say FFXI is the same as FFXIV. Andevom claimed to not want to start over on a game that was the same just a "new" game. Since he made this statement, I took his comment and changed it into something a 360 player could understand: Guns and explosions. Going from FFXI to FFXIV is no different than going from W@W to MW2 or Halo 3 to Halo Reach. All are different games as far as story/features/combat/ranks/etc. All FF games are the same as in typical lore, class types, etc. All Halo games are the same as in Humans vs the Flood and the Covenant as well as weapons/vehicles etc. They add in some over time but the underlying aspect is still there. Same goes for COD.
tl;dr Every game series has a staple or foundation. The games are built off of that so my statement still stands. If you don't like starting over, why bother playing new games at all?
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2010-10-08 12:30:30
I missed the part where you were being sarcastic =/ My bad, lol.
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No, actually what you are saying is FFXIV is FFXI-2. The Halo series all follow the same storyline in the Halo Universe where the stories are all continuations of each other. I'm not familiar with the CoD series but I imagine its the same thing.
None of the Final Fantasy games are sequels or continuations of any other Final Fantasy game with the only exception of X-2. Also Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy 12 share the same world, but really are not related. They have nothing to do with each other. Your comparison is really not valid.
By TheDubont 2010-10-08 12:34:11
Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: I missed the part where you were being sarcastic =/ My bad, lol. damn right its your bad! j/k lol its all good. For the record, I love FFXIV. Especially since this most recent update, the game seems a lot more stable and once next weeks update hits, I will be on a lot more than 4 hrs at a time.
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By Phoenix.Katori 2010-10-08 12:35:16
it's funny i still call all the character by ffxi names becuase all they did was make the names crazy hard to remember and spell
By Enternius 2010-10-08 12:37:26
Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: No, actually what you are saying is FFXIV is FFXI-2. The Halo series all follow the same storyline in the Halo Universe where the stories are all continuations of each other. I'm not familiar with the CoD series but I imagine its the same thing.
None of the Final Fantasy games are sequels or continuations of any other Final Fantasy game with the only exception of X-2. They have nothing to do with each other. I don't think that's necessarily correct. The problem with this logic is, even though no, they're not direct sequels, World at War has nothing to do with MW2 and Halo 3 has nothing to do with Halo: Reach, so they're not direct sequels ever. The premise is that, as you progress in a series, whether or not they're sequels or even vaguely related, you're supposed to improve them with time. I'm not saying FFXIV is better than FFXI (FFXI is a damn good game and FFXIV will need a lot of work before it's technically superior), but it's well on its way.
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2010-10-08 12:40:02
Enternius said: Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: No, actually what you are saying is FFXIV is FFXI-2. The Halo series all follow the same storyline in the Halo Universe where the stories are all continuations of each other. I'm not familiar with the CoD series but I imagine its the same thing.
None of the Final Fantasy games are sequels or continuations of any other Final Fantasy game with the only exception of X-2. They have nothing to do with each other. I don't think that's necessarily correct. The problem with this logic is, even though no, they're not direct sequels, World at War has nothing to do with MW2 and Halo 3 has nothing to do with Halo: Reach, so they're not direct sequels ever. The premise is that, as you progress in a series, whether or not they're sequels or even vaguely related, you're supposed to improve them with time. I'm not saying FFXIV is better than FFXI (FFXI is a damn good game and FFXIV will need a lot of work before it's technically superior), but it's well on its way. I beg to differ. Halo Reach is the prequel to the Halo series with Master Chief. It is related as the events that unfolded on this separate planet are a direct cause to the fact that Master Chief even arrived at the first Halo on the Pillar of Autumn. While its technically not a direct sequel the events are Reach->Halo1->Halo2/ODST->Halo3. Do the events of Final Fantasy go FFI->FFII->...->FFXIV? No. They are not related and the point is invalid.
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By Phoenix.Katori 2010-10-08 12:46:38
yea. halo reach is what happen before all of the other halo's.
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By Phoenix.Katori 2010-10-08 12:52:46
Asura.Andevom said: TheDubont said:
Andevom claimed to not want to start over on a game that was the same just a "new" game. Since he made this statement, I took his comment and changed it into something a 360 player could understand: Guns and explosions.
Stereotypes are fun! Actually, this is more like treating me like I'm a member of some other species.
Quote: All FF games are the same as in typical lore, class types, etc.
Which is nothing I've ever claimed. The only FF games I HAVEN'T played would be the spin-off titles like X-2 (because I loathed X). I don't view each as the same game over and over again.
Quote: tl;dr Every game series has a staple or foundation. The games are built off of that so my statement still stands. If you don't like starting over, why bother playing new games at all?
My argument isn't that "Oh look, they're both MMOs and FF games, so they're exactly the same." My argument was that the stuff that IS new in the game isn't enough of a compelling reason for me to want to change from FFXI, and the stuff that is good is stuff that's similar in tone to stuff that's already in FFXI (for the most part). I'm well aware that they are two different games with different stories. And I'll be honest, I don't really play an MMO for the story. Call that stupid of me, but it's the truth. I enjoy the storylines, don't get me wrong, but that's what I mainly play offline RPGs and games for. Someday, FFXIV may be something I'll want to play regularly. But as it is in its current incarnation, I'm not impressed.
And when it comes down to offline console games and MMOs, I think you really need to be a bit more picky with the latter. MMOs require more commitment, monthly fees and it's really hard to devote time to more than one of them (at least for me).
lol all that's left in ffxi is to party in abyssea. EG everything else is destroyed. half the people who still play think there better then everyone till they see your gear. i love ffxi but turth once they moved cap it destroyed the game.
By Enternius 2010-10-08 12:56:02
Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: Enternius said: Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: No, actually what you are saying is FFXIV is FFXI-2. The Halo series all follow the same storyline in the Halo Universe where the stories are all continuations of each other. I'm not familiar with the CoD series but I imagine its the same thing.
None of the Final Fantasy games are sequels or continuations of any other Final Fantasy game with the only exception of X-2. They have nothing to do with each other. I don't think that's necessarily correct. The problem with this logic is, even though no, they're not direct sequels, World at War has nothing to do with MW2 and Halo 3 has nothing to do with Halo: Reach, so they're not direct sequels ever. The premise is that, as you progress in a series, whether or not they're sequels or even vaguely related, you're supposed to improve them with time. I'm not saying FFXIV is better than FFXI (FFXI is a damn good game and FFXIV will need a lot of work before it's technically superior), but it's well on its way. I beg to differ. Halo Reach is the prequel to the Halo series with Master Chief. It is related as the events that unfolded on this separate planet are a direct cause to the fact that Master Chief even arrived at the first Halo on the Pillar of Autumn. While its technically not a direct sequel the events are Reach->Halo1->Halo2/ODST->Halo3. Do the events of Final Fantasy go FFI->FFII->...->FFXIV? No. They are not related and the point is invalid. Well, then, using that logic, wouldn't World At War still technically be a prequel to MW2 or something too?
My point is, Reach uses a different setting, different characters, different weapons, different gameplay, just about the only thing they really have in common is that you're still Spartans. And it's still called Halo.
This is all beside the point, anyway. The point was, as you progress in a series, it doesn't matter whether it's a sequel or a completely different game, you're still supposed to strive to make a better game than the previous ones.
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2010-10-08 13:10:19
Enternius said: The point was, as you progress in a series, it doesn't matter whether it's a sequel or a completely different game, you're still supposed to strive to make a better game than the previous ones. FFXI has been out since 2001/2? I don't even know. It's had time to have 4 major expansion packs, 5 add-on's and years and years of patches, upgrades, improvements, features, etc. I started playing XI after ToAU was released and it already had years of tweaks. I don't know what XI was like when it was first released but I've heard stories which are not dissimilar to XIV's release.
FFXIV has been out for 2 weeks. While I don't disagree there are glaring flaws and bugs in the game, you can't really compare the two. FFXIV has the potential to completely blow XI out of the water and its graphics already do.
I think the original point was that someone didn't want to "start over" inferring that XIV was XI-2 when they are completely different games.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-10-08 13:10:44
Now down to 28-30% off for both versions...
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-10-08 13:12:51
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Now down to 28-30% off for both versions... This seems very familiar...
(FFXIII anyone?)
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By Phoenix.Katori 2010-10-08 13:17:12
Asura.Andevom said: Phoenix.Katori said:
lol all that's left in ffxi is to party in abyssea. EG everything else is destroyed.
Hey now, I love Abyssea! And I don't really feel this is true at all. I've been having a lot of fun helping out a few newcomers with quests and missions, So much so I should probably focus on getting better stuff for myself :p But I like helping out, 'tis fun! I haven't really seen stuff destroyed. People are still doing Dyna, Nyzul Runs, Missions, Assaults, Campaign, BCNMs, etc.
Quote: half the people who still play think there better then everyone till they see your gear. i love ffxi but turth once they moved cap it destroyed the game.
Again, can't say I've encountered this. To each their own, aye? (Duh, Ande)
well it's always good to have people who still help. i started when ffxi came out different world back then. i hate dyna havent done it in years plus new gear gimps most of it. but as long as you enjoy keep having fun. :) and all EG gear is gimp now. everyone tells me to replace my e body with perle. i worked to hard for that :)
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-10-08 13:26:33
I haven't played in a few days. Have they still not patched anything since September 28th?
By TheDubont 2010-10-08 13:26:37
No, again you guys are misunderstanding. To claim that a game is the same just because it has some of the same key elements is wrong (which is why I brought up Halo 3 and Reach) I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT SEQUELS!!! I'm saying that the games have a lot of the same elements which, according to Andevom, make the game the same only its "new." GOING OFF OF HIS STATEMENTS, any game that is made within a series is exactly the same as every other game in that series because it has the same elements. THIS IS NOT WHAT I THINK. With the exception of sequels, all games in a series are different. FFXI is very different from FFXIV aside from the basic structure of a typical FF game. Halo 3 is very different from Reach aside from the basic structure of a typical Halo game. I'm not saying ANYTHING about sequels...I really don't know where you guys pulled that from >.>
By TheDubont 2010-10-08 13:27:52
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: I haven't played in a few days. Have they still not patched anything since September 28th? they patched a few bugs this morning with the partying and exp systems. They also fixed the bug that cancelled your chat when something new pops/moves on the screen.
By TheDubont 2010-10-08 13:30:00
Asura.Andevom said: TheDubont said: I'm saying that the games have a lot of the same elements which, according to Andevom, make the game the same only its "new."
Are you even reading my responses at this point? Of course, but I'm defending what I originally said in response to what you originally said because SOMEWHERE in this discussion, someone picked up that I was somehow talking about X-2 and FFXIV only being a FFXI sequel....there are some really confused ppl here lol
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-10-08 13:31:24
TheDubont said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: I haven't played in a few days. Have they still not patched anything since September 28th? they patched a few bugs this morning with the partying and exp systems. They also fixed the bug that cancelled your chat when something new pops/moves on the screen. Oh thank god.
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By Kujata.Akeda 2010-10-08 13:32:45
TheDubont said: They also fixed the bug that cancelled your chat when something new pops/moves on the screen.
YAY!
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-10-08 13:34:23
Kujata.Akeda said: TheDubont said: They also fixed the bug that cancelled your chat when something new pops/moves on the screen.
YAY!
No they didn't <_<
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By TheDubont 2010-10-08 13:34:45
QUICK! I must finish this sentence and send it before a player targets me! *target, delete* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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By TheDubont 2010-10-08 13:35:10
Odin.Blazza said: Kujata.Akeda said: TheDubont said: They also fixed the bug that cancelled your chat when something new pops/moves on the screen.
YAY!
No they didn't <_< they said they did >.> I haven't been in to check....but they said they did...
By Enternius 2010-10-08 13:37:19
TheDubont said: Odin.Blazza said: Kujata.Akeda said: TheDubont said: They also fixed the bug that cancelled your chat when something new pops/moves on the screen.
YAY!
No they didn't <_< they said they did >.> I haven't been in to check....but they said they did... They did, for some things. Synthesis, bazaar stuff, and gathering are fixed, but it still happens for a few other things.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-10-08 13:40:06
I totally see what they mean about the patch notes being written in China. These are very awkwardly phrased in Japanese.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-10-08 13:43:25
It's not cheaper over here in any of the main stores
By Enternius 2010-10-08 13:50:57
Shiva.Flionheart said: It's not cheaper over here in any of the main stores Japanese players are so widely anti-FFXIV now, bitter because it's currently revolved around NA time zones rather than JP like FFXI was.
Post any links to press reviews, etc here.
So far it's getting 1.5 out of 5 stars on JP Amazon.com, after a few hundred reviews, and is already 25% off for both versions.
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