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 Cerberus.Kalyna
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 12:36:47
Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE. Actually, animals do kill others for invading their territory.
Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel? =P
Edit: YOU EDITED!
Anyways: Look at Black Widows and Praying Mantises
They kill their own for fun.
By Flionheart 2010-09-14 12:38:19
Cerberus.Kalyna said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE. Actually, animals do kill others for invading their territory.
Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel? =P
We're not animals. We've evolved to a higher state than animals which do everything based on instinct.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-14 12:38:27
Cerberus.Kalyna said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE. Actually, animals do kill others for invading their territory.
Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel? =P I said that, are you even reading my posts correctly?
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-09-14 12:38:56
Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE. 
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 12:39:06
Life sentence is also harsher on everyone else. Prisoners get more amenities then I did when I was underweight... and I was working long as hours for mine lol.
We really need to reinstitute the harder prison labor stuff. Instead of keeping them as a burden on society make them contribute... or at least work for there free food and place to stay and cable tv interenet etc
By Flionheart 2010-09-14 12:39:48
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE.
Slightly off topic, but last night I saw my cat jump like 6 foot in the air and catch a bat.
I was damn impressed.
By Flionheart 2010-09-14 12:40:28
Ramuh.Dasva said: Life sentence is also harsher on everyone else. Prisoners get more amenities then I did when I was underweight... and I was working long as hours for mine lol.
We really need to reinstitute the harder prison labor stuff. Instead of keeping them as a burden on society make them contribute... or at least work for there free food and place to stay and cable tv interenet etc
I do agree that prisons should change. Prison should be a punishment, not free lodgings.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-09-14 12:40:30
Ramuh.Dasva said: Life sentence is also harsher on everyone else. Prisoners get more amenities then I did when I was underweight... and I was working long as hours for mine lol.
We really need to reinstitute the harder prison labor stuff. Instead of keeping them as a burden on society make them contribute... or at least work for there free food and place to stay and cable tv interenet etc If I was on life sentence I wouldn't do ***.
No reason to really.
Might kill some people since I'm all hard and in prison though.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 12:40:30
Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE. Actually, animals do kill others for invading their territory.
Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel? =P I said that, are you even reading my posts correctly? You edited it =P
anyways look at Praying Mantises and Black Widows
They kill for fun.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-09-14 12:40:47
Caitsith.Zefiris said: I think death sentences are more expensive to the tax payers... They are, significantly so. And states with the death penalty all have higher murder rates than those that do, implying it's an ineffective deterrent.
But I guess it makes us feel better.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-14 12:41:25
Cerberus.Kalyna said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE. Actually, animals do kill others for invading their territory.
Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel? =P I said that, are you even reading my posts correctly? You edited it =P
anyways look at Praying Mantises and Black Widows
They kill for fun.
lol wtf i didnt edit anything.
nice way to show face for yourself.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 12:41:33
here we go:
CATS
and not just the household cat but lions, tigers ect.
They kill for fun.
By Flionheart 2010-09-14 12:41:46
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: I think death sentences are more expensive to the tax payers... They are, significantly so. And states with the death penalty all have higher murder rates than those that do, implying it's an ineffective deterrent.
But I guess it makes us feel better.
Do you agree with the Death penalty Jae?
I'd guess no from your post, but...
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-09-14 12:41:56
Cerberus.Kalyna said: here we go:
CATS
and not just the household cat but lions, tigers ect.
They kill for fun. not really.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-09-14 12:42:23
Flionheart said: Do you agree with the Death penalty Jae? I'm deeply ambivalent about it. I can see both sides of the argument.
By Flionheart 2010-09-14 12:42:26
Cats kill out of instinct. We're not purely driven on instinct, we should know better.
By Flionheart 2010-09-14 12:43:03
Asura.Catastrophe said: To support a death penalty system means to say its alright to kill an innocent person.
Just because this woman may not be innocent doesn't mean innocent people haven't died by an imperfect justice system.
That's the point I like to bring up in ethical debates about the death penalty.
By Flionheart 2010-09-14 12:43:20
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Flionheart said: Do you agree with the Death penalty Jae? I'm deeply ambivalent about it. I can see both sides of the argument.
Fair enough.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-14 12:43:25
You're just obviously trying to make your point the absolute truth regardless that I already showed it's not.
saying I edited my post wont help =o you even quoted it. proof I DIDNT edit it lol
and the black widow kills the male for territory, after mating He is in her territory, he is to die!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 12:43:25
We should just waterboard and other simulated killings
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 12:43:57
Asura.Catastrophe said: To support a death penalty system means to say its alright to kill an innocent person.
Just because this woman may not be innocent doesn't mean innocent people haven't died by an imperfect justice system. The woman admitted it. Evidence pointed to her. There are documents and everything that says "This chick is involved"
You're calling her innocent still?
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-14 12:44:05
Cerberus.Kalyna said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE. Actually, animals do kill others for invading their territory.
Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel? =P
Edit: YOU EDITED!
Anyways: Look at Black Widows and Praying Mantises
They kill their own for fun. you even quoted it, proof i didn't edit.
try harder.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 12:44:10
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Life sentence is also harsher on everyone else. Prisoners get more amenities then I did when I was underweight... and I was working long as hours for mine lol. We really need to reinstitute the harder prison labor stuff. Instead of keeping them as a burden on society make them contribute... or at least work for there free food and place to stay and cable tv interenet etc If I was on life sentence I wouldn't do ***. No reason to really. Might kill some people since I'm all hard and in prison though. No work no food.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-14 12:44:42
Cerberus.Kalyna said: here we go:
CATS
and not just the household cat but lions, tigers ect.
They kill for fun.
nope they don't
they kill for territory as well.
and as payment for their owners, to show face they are doing their job.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 12:45:08
Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE. Actually, animals do kill others for invading their territory.
Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel? =P
Edit: YOU EDITED!
Anyways: Look at Black Widows and Praying Mantises
They kill their own for fun. you even quoted it, proof i didn't edit.
try harder. You edited it right when i pressed "quote"
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 12:45:14
Asura.Catastrophe said: To support a death penalty system means to say its alright to kill an innocent person.
Just because this woman may not be innocent doesn't mean innocent people haven't died by an imperfect justice system. To not do so says it's all right to allow guilty people to go and go kill more innocent people
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-09-14 12:45:23
Flionheart said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Flionheart said: Do you agree with the Death penalty Jae? I'm deeply ambivalent about it. I can see both sides of the argument.
Fair enough.
That being said, I have found that the anti-death-penalty folks have more compelling facts to back themselves up than the pro-death-penalty side. The pro side seems primarily motivated by emotion and revenge, rather than any proof it's effective.
Which, hell... might be enough? I just don't know. I'm only human.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-14 12:46:13
Cerberus.Kalyna said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Phoenix.Darki said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Flionheart said:
Kalyna please stop. You simply cannot be comparing killing an insect to killing a human.
Honestly, that wasn't my real point. My point is it's animal and human nature to kill. Kill or be killed. We, as humans, have been babying ourselves with this "we must be soft on each other" crap. What will happen if Earth is in trouble against aliens that have the only intent to kill us. Are we gonna try negotiating with them or fight them? it's natural to kill for survival, not for pleasure, you don't see a tiger going up a zeeebra to kill it for the lols and leaving it there, or because it angered him. you see him kill it for food!
or you see animals kill other animals, even their own for territory. NOT PLEASURE. Actually, animals do kill others for invading their territory.
Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel? =P
Edit: YOU EDITED!
Anyways: Look at Black Widows and Praying Mantises
They kill their own for fun. you even quoted it, proof i didn't edit.
try harder. You edited it right when i pressed "quote"
lolNo, what is there to edit out anyways? stop being stupid about it, you obviously can't accept youre wrong.
and if i had edited it while you hit quote you wouldve noticed, just like everyone does, edits take a while to load too hon =p try harder.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/13/AR2010091306282.html?sid=ST2010091306394
Tl;DR: This woman plead guilty to charges against her where
she paid a man to kill her husband, stepson, and let one of the murders have sex with her 16 year old daughter. She is to be executed on the 23rd, the first woman to be executed in VA in 100 years.
She is now begging for her life saying she acted out of character and that she thought she was innocent since it wasn't her pulling the trigger.
Can anyone take this person seriously? It says she's border line mentally retarded but even my mentally retarded cousin knows right from wrong. It's really annoying to see horrible people like this try to justify their actions instead of taking responsibility for what they've done.
Before any of you decide to use Mentally retarded as a defense know that being mentally retarded does not exclude you from Mens Rea. She KNEW exactly what was happening, and she knew it was wrong.
Thoughts?
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