God Did Not Create The Universe, Says Hawking

Yes of course I do. But if god existed, shouldn't it save you from that inhabitable planet?

Basicly you're saying he isn't real in no way shape or form

maybe he will realize it soon... let him sleep on it

Flame proof with a cooling system? what about the pressure >_>?

Nor was that my implication. Very dear scientific friends of mine, who are light years more intelligent than myself, are believers. So are some of our admins! I wish them well of it.

I am willing to accept faith. That it's important to people. And I don't agree with atheists who sit around attempting to destroy other people's faith. It's their own beliefs, in their own head. As long as it's not harming you, why should you care?

But this argument is not reflective. All major faiths claim an exclusive license on universal truth. By nature of this universal claim, they are incapable of saying their beliefs do not apply to atheists as well.

And there's the conundrum.

God will wrap his almighty hands around your blue phone booth and protect you from the vacuum of space.

That has nothing to do with god existing if "it does" what ever it is.

But if I die and get to meet what ever it is that welcomes me so be it, I will accept it.

If Adam and Eve were here first. They were eaten by dinosaurs.

Through the logic of Christianity, seeing as you're not an avid believer you'll go to hell.

Ever think that the concept of God as a good thing?

Yeah, bad things have happened by religion, but was it religion that caused those bad things? Some yes, but most of it was who was in power and religion was the best excuse.

King: Hey everyone, lets go conquer that country.
Knights: Why?
King: Cause they made fun of our God. They also don't believe in our God and we must correct them by force, because that is our God given right.

Now, I pointed out the negative things about religion, but there is also a flipside to this little coin.

Charity, education (up until the Martin Luther "revolution") and laws were created by religion. Charity in the name of religion is still the single biggest non-corporate contribution to poor people in the world. Even some corps contribute in the name of a religion.

Don't forget that laws were created based by religion. Thou shall not steal, Thou shall not kill, Thou shall not *** with thy neighbor's wife.....screw that last one. There have been a lot of laws that came from the basic principles of religion.

Is there a God? Who knows. Does it matter? Not really. Should we abolish all religion if God is proven to not exist? No, because let the believers believe. Until they force it on me, then I'll just whack them with a shovel.

Wow 8 pages and this isn't locked? Am I in the right place??

god protected them

Ok so create a time machine space ship would be a better idea then go back in time in outer space rather than the planet to watch what is going on.

Use a invisible clock to see if space ships landed on the planet, pretty much.

I don't think people have really shitted on the topic yet.

I'm sure you're well aware of what happens when you sleep.

Death is just something you don't wake up from. Hence, there's no where to go. Except 6 feet under, if you elect burial, a crematory if you elect cremation or decomposition if you elect to be left there.

Ok for the bible people, all you need to do is really find Noah's arc so this can be put to a end.

Haha, just surprised, carry on~

It still is "inhabitable" :)

I don't think anyone would argue on that point.

It seems your responses, pretty much go with the statement that I made earlier.

That any "proof" and I use that word loosely here, that a believer can give for "God" is simply rejected as not being good enough.

Is it not the perfect way to reveal oneself though? Through subjective experience. In this way, you would be able to "prove" yourself 100% to one person with out hindering the free will of anyone else.

This is a perfect example of a strawman logical fallacy. Nowhere in Jaerik's post did he state that just because many stupid people believe something, the belief itself automatically becomes stupid, and that ALL those who believe in it are stupid by association.

He was saying that the standards by which people choose to believe "God wants this" versus "God wants that" is inconsistent.

I'm dropping the time travel discussion since it is not possible.

will I turn into mako energy and return to the planet, or into dark matter?

Then wake up in another solar system out of another being womb saying "De ja vu, have I done this before"?

This is how I always felt when born, no lying. I can remember stuff around when I was not even one yet, and I always felt weird.

Could that be what is called reincarnation?

As I said before, the only proof you're able to bring to the table is a sentence.

If you were to tell me prove milk exists.

I would drive to the grocery store, pick up a gallon, bring it back to you, open it, pour a cup, and set it on front of you.

If you were to tell me prove god exists.

I would sit there and wonder where you get that awesome ***you're smoking.

I believe the term is schizophrenia.

I'm not even trolling here, whoever said that would get the exact same response.

That's why they say "Prove God doesn't exist"