Is There A Point In PLD Anymore?

Pld is dead, Drk Sam Mnk all day.

Lmao...this is pretty funny sh*t. Half the people can't let go of their beloved job and half the others can't admit it still has a purpose.

Well here's a fine troll for you...

SE has shown countless times they "luv dey PLD". Folks will give it a break and use it or SE will do one of two things...

They will nerf your DD jobs tanking capabilities just like they did rdm ..and your "OMG who needs a PLD" arguementwill vanish

or...They gonna super uber boost pld to stupid broken...

Whichever one is most painful to the most ppl...thats the one they'll go with.

and for the record...I've never even unlocked PLD...I personally not interested in it.

How would they nerf DD jobs' tanking capabilities? Remove utsusemi from the game? Stop damage dealt from generating enmity?

They could put huge -enmity numbers on pieces of awesome TPing/WSing gear that only the heavy DD jobs use, while PLDs get a set of armor with huge +enmity numbers on it that can be used for tping as well.

It's SE >_> it could happen...

Really I've seen this come and go on the topics page, and each time I laughed at the whole arguement as whole.

Heck yeah they can nerf DD's! I distinctly remember a one painful one in particular, but that's another story.

Point is, SE loves Pld. They have shown this multiple times. They have also shown multiple times that if the direction of things is not going the direction they intended/expected...they will make changes to force it that way.

No. Really.

But aside from that, this is one of those "Who gives a big F*ck" moments. If you killing sh*t at a pace you happy with using a Pld...fine, good for you...if you killing sh*t without a Pld...fine...good for you.

Like 85 % of other crap ppl have to say...it's an opinion...and opinions are like buttholes...everyone has one and they all stink.

Ill come SCH ill affect your emnity ;)

I don't disagree, do whatever works for your group, but when you argue "what's better" in generic situations PLD falls behind, so it's not really an opinion. Also, they love SAM more. Best thing they could do for PLD would be to overhaul the enmity system and allow PLD or other tank jobs to exceed the hate cap by a certain amount and make it generate slower/degenerate faster when you're above regular CE cap.

Thats your fault...

I'm sticking with the game until 99 and the updates to it and if PLD isn't sufficiently fixed by then, I will quit. I have other jobs but I have no interest in continuing if PLD stays useless. I have had a much harder time holding anything like I want to since updates and I am pretty unhappy with SE's handling of the job overall. So I am hoping for a big eventual upgrade or PLD is dead.

PLD ok in some fights

I love PLD but it is painfully obvious after a certain point in the fight on anything melee-able you'll become useless.

Even on ranged fights most BLM's inevitably get hate.

Other day i was fighting Glavoid, after about ~5 minutes in the SAM (he had a relic) Was tanking 9/10th of the time, despite my best efforts, because we both had hit the Enmity cap, and nothing i could do mattered, Sentinel, Flash, Rampart, Shied Bash, Cures, Self Cures, nothing.

It just continued to hit him or beeline for the mages.

Perfect solution would be to allow PLDs and other "Tanks" to breach the Enmity Cap by about ~20%, thus allowing them, with the proper care, to maintain hate indefinitely as long as they stay above the cap others can not breach.

because as is, Enmity cap is too easily reachable, especially in abyssea with broken Atmas and stuff, SE should be smart enough to see that PLDs are basically "placeholders" until someone else inevitably gets hate in most fights, if you even bring them at all

Ok I got an irrelevant ?, what about NIN? would you guys vote NIN dead also?

nin died a while ago... when SE messed with /drk

nin is great for solo

edit: the new nin gear is pretty nice

>< orz...

blu tank gogo

NIN tanking is long dead, the RDM tanking nerf hit NIN too. If you have Atma of the Razed Ruins it's not a bad DD (admittedly not a good one either) and it's still one of the better solo jobs, but that just means you're "ok", which is about where PLD stands at the moment. So... yeah.

wow guys this is ridiculous, PLD remains the must have job to kill strong nms(HNM anyone?) usally better if you have two pld even. Pld is still top tank class and is useful in most situations. Especially if the pld has an aegis, that makes your pld must have job for evrything like even merit partys.

I was going to mention something then i saw the "Even merit Partys" part and realized it was a troll attempt >.>

Melee's can tank /nin, but really what melee besides sam and mnk go /nin? PLD Regardless Takes less DMG than a Melee tanking if the Pld knows how to play, Not just saying physical attacks, but TP attacks that go through utsusemi and both magical spells. And there is always those times someone will get hit, a blocked hit will take alot less than a melee job getting hit. Pld isn't dead, it's just not "needed" in most situations now a days.

hey darkanaseur, you are completely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE proven by this quote you posted quote: Majority of HNMs are better tanked by DDs than pld , DUDE do you type withought thinking?? HNM needs Pld tank no way around it and oh yea Pld good for low man group only, another gay *** message.

I used to nin/drk byakko before the update. But now that level cap is at 80. When I finish AF3 Im gonna nin/dnc him in a duo for lulz. And let the pants go free lot cus well.... lolbyakkos.

Not gonna read any of the 9 pages of this thread, but if you want drops in abyssea, pld is good. A good strong tank that can last out an NM while an alliance is feeding it tp trying to unlock the right !! weakness is invaluable. If you're just going to gank everything, then yes, pld is useless because it'll hold hate for all of about 2 seconds, but since you have to get the right !! for the drops you're trying to get from abyssea NMs, then all of a sudden a proper tank becomes really important, and more relevant as you need to slow down damage to get in enough shitty ws's/spells.

Btw:
physical ws = blue !! = item drops
nukes/enfeebles = yellow !! = 2 extra seals
elemental ws = red !! = key items (abyssite/atma/pop items)

That's my current understanding of it anyway. Oh, and they don't stack.

Ive been gone awhile what nerf?

BLU would be a better choice in this case since it can more effectively hold hate in disengaged situations (ideal if you're trying to keep the NM alive).

June update, Repose was added to the list a few days afterwards. They're all 1 CE 300 VE now.

Also, Abyssea sorta kinda made RDM tanking functional again, ironically. Canceling your HP buff for an easy full potency Cure IV cheat is pretty boss when you have an essentially unlimited MP pool, and there's also nuking for damage as an option. NIN/RDM could maybe pull off something similar with Cure III cheats and maybe some Ni/San nukes, but it would be a fair bit slower and less efficient. The extra shadows via main job and AF3 feet are generally more tools of convenience than anything else, unfortunately. Same deal hate-wise for PLD, can do it but if you're going that route rather than Atonement then BLU or RDM is inherently superior.

Not that it's really needed for... anything, and every DD with two atmas is capping CE within a minute anyway, but it's there.

There no Need for Any Tank, And No Tank would beable to tank in Abyssea situation it beening blu rdm nin pld, Atma make DD jobs to powerful, and allow them put out insane numbers in short periode of time, capping there eminty faster or around same time, as Karb said only way SE can fix tanking Jobs is by allowing pld nin to breach the Eminty cap even if its just by 2-5% More, or reduce dd jobs eminty cap

Except for the fact that NIN isnt really a tank its a throwing job~

So SE wont be buffing its Enmity anytime soon :3

Har har

Obvious troll


Is obvious

Or bad at XI.

nin/rng go!

PLD isn't dead, it just smells funny ~.^