Cerberus.Excelior said:
I remember Kaeko's blog discussing blu/pld for tanking using sentinel + difussion + exuviation. Not sure if that actually does cap hate like claims though lol.
Is There A Point In PLD Anymore?
Is there a point in PLD anymore?
That alone shouldn't but it will get you close. Add in flash and actinic burst and temporal shift and you should be there.
Shiva.Khimaira said:
Also, nice ninja edit
Cerberus.Excelior said:
I remember Kaeko's blog discussing blu/pld for tanking using sentinel + difussion + exuviation. Not sure if that actually does cap hate like claims though lol.
Also from every pld I've talked to and personal testing I've done sentinels +emnity decays rather quickly. So would be hard to figure out exactly how much you will gain based on time it takes and such
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Also from every pld I've talked to and personal testing I've done sentinels +emnity decays rather quickly. So would be hard to figure out exactly how much you will gain based on time it takes and such
Tis because they are spiking VE I'd think? Blu spells have *** tons of CE.
Bahamut.Serj said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Also from every pld I've talked to and personal testing I've done sentinels +emnity decays rather quickly. So would be hard to figure out exactly how much you will gain based on time it takes and such
He never took hate back no matter how long we waited even though he had +3 emnity merits and I had -3. We tried doing 0 hp cures until hate turned to figure it out by how much but got bored.
Of course now I don't have those CE spells /cry
Who pulled your test mob?
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Who pulled your test mob?
Meh, if you took turns pulling then it wasn't aggro hate. That's interesting, didn't expect a rapid decay rate.
I actually didn't beleive it either. I only did it because I was arguing with the pld that it didn't and that he was dumb to wear +emnity with sentinel up lol
Could test it with a blu and pld now. Sentinel + some low level blu spell with 320/320 (soporific, sheepsong, and blank gaze) and a blu using exuviation and seeing what happens.
Edit: well, you'd have to have enmity on it to work with exuviation. well damn
Edit: well, you'd have to have enmity on it to work with exuviation. well damn
Cold way is 320/320 and so are alot of the buffs
Yea, but you wanted to test using a spell with double enmity while he used sentinel and you didn't, unless I misunderstood your post =\
Both people use Blank Gaze on the mob (third person pulls) before initiating the test, problem solved.
It doesn't have to be 1 spell. As long as the CE is double then just wait for the VE to decay.
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
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Cerberus.Kiori said:
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
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Cerberus.Kiori said:
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
And this my friends, is why we can't have nice things.
Be a better healer or get out.
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
a DD with a PDT set can reduce damage majorly, and easily out DD a PLD. I just don't see what use they have any more.
Pld is a good job it can still be used.
Pld is used in parties.
Cerberus.Kiori said:
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
back in the day war tanked... they got more tank tools now! >.>;
Cerberus.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Shiva.Khimaira said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Shiva.Khimaira said:
PLD is safer for one
Blu can't DD at all while tanking. For that reason its worse than pld.
well blue can tank better than pld, they got a lot of hate spells. that does not make them worse than pld, all pld has in some slots in enmity and haste. Depending on what you sub you either have bahamut mask on or w.turban.
Bahamut.Stanflame said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
a DD with a PDT set can reduce damage majorly, and easily out DD a PLD. I just don't see what use they have any more.
Pld is a good job it can still be used.
Pld is used in parties.
LOL.
Is all I can say.
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1-70 you will be asked to party... I even get asked to level sync when I get on mine.
People on bahamut are desperate.
People on bahamut are desperate.
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Cerberus.Kiori said:
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Cerberus.Kiori said:
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
And this my friends, is why we can't have nice things.
Be a better healer or get out.
Honestly, you guys can do better?
A paladin is a tank, can take more hits than any other job and not die. A sam/rng/mnk/war are damage dealers, they get hit so many times they die. I main assist in my dynamis shell. I have sams in there with 100s of merits on themselves and they rarely pull hate from me and we get the job done. I rarely got hate pulled from me in parties.
Every job in this game has a point, just have to get past the morons that still play this game.
Cerberus.Billgoku said:
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Cerberus.Kiori said:
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Cerberus.Kiori said:
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
And this my friends, is why we can't have nice things.
Be a better healer or get out.
Honestly, you guys can do better?
Yes. I can heal DD tanks, and I don't even have a healer levelled up on my main char.
Cerberus.Billgoku said:
Fenrir.Mankey said:
Cerberus.Kiori said:
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Cerberus.Kiori said:
i've never had trouble with a pld tank, and i've had only stories ending in my death (as a whm) when a dd would try to tank. I'm sorry, but a tank is a tank, and a dd is a dd. not reversible.
And this my friends, is why we can't have nice things.
Be a better healer or get out.
Honestly, you guys can do better?
A paladin is a tank, can take more hits than any other job and not die. A sam/rng/mnk/war are damage dealers, they get hit so many times they die. I main assist in my dynamis shell. I have sams in there with 100s of merits on themselves and they rarely pull hate from me and we get the job done. I rarely got hate pulled from me in parties.
Every job in this game has a point, just have to get past the morons that still play this game.
If a DD doesn't pull hate from you, the DD is bad. As for everything else: 2005 called, it's for you. PLD is pointless in Dyna, Your shell is doing it wrong.
Cerberus.Billgoku said:
Honestly, you guys can do better?
A paladin is a tank, can take more hits than any other job and not die. A sam/rng/mnk/war are damage dealers, they get hit so many times they die. I main assist in my dynamis shell. I have sams in there with 100s of merits on themselves and they rarely pull hate from me and we get the job done. I rarely got hate pulled from me in parties.
Every job in this game has a point, just have to get past the morons that still play this game.
Yup, I'd consider myself a good PLD and I'd be lying if I said I could hold hate off SAMs and WARs in Dynamis, Iceland sure, cities, yeah no. Those are either gimp DDs or you're blowing hot air.
Aside from cures and Sentinel/Rampart other jobs can negate damage just as well as PLD (since PLD negates 90% of DT from /NIN, which all jobs can use) and SAM/MNK etc can get high -PDT easier than PLD can and cap hate faster.
Our shell does the job just fine without any problems. If you know how to manage hate control, very rarely will any dd pull hate. Kids like you out there do not understand how to do that.
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I wouldn't think benchmarking the average weaponskill from a DD at 1000+ would be crazy, you'd have to explain how you spike that much hate so quickly considering how fast those things die.
But sure, I don't understand my job!
But sure, I don't understand my job!
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I'm tempted to agree on what most ppl said.But somehow, I'm trying to get done wotg mission and I've been duoing pld/nin and dnc/nin. He's an excal/aegis/dring pld.And I find him pretty usefull x.x
Who need a full pt when you got a pimp pld bf? :D
EDIT: He say he's useless all the time lately, so I guess he confirm it. lol ;x
Who need a full pt when you got a pimp pld bf? :D
EDIT: He say he's useless all the time lately, so I guess he confirm it. lol ;x
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