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Samurai Equipment help :)
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-08-18 17:14:07
Shiva.Daimos said: Only thing I can think of that it wouldn't naturally cap would be maybe... JoL? And even then...
Yea, it's just about never.
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:14:08
Shiva.Daimos said: Only thing I can think of that it wouldn't naturally cap would be maybe... JoL? And even then...
And even then what? You'd rather have 15% acc do nothing to your hit rate or have attack increase your dmg?
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By Shiva.Borealis 2010-08-18 17:14:39
It's the same argument every time; A *** comes in and says "lolnubs using STR shud be using attaks for the damages on teh Gekkoz". Then 15 or more people come in, prove him wrong, and he continues to argue.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-18 17:14:50
So what's the argument? If you need any acc at all, then sushi gives the same WS bonus apart from high def mobs. Capping accuracy anyway, then use an STR/attack food. I assume that's what's trying to be conveyed here.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-08-18 17:14:59
Ifrit.Zibo said: So you're telling me that weaponskilling with food = weaponskilling without food.
I am saying
* WS with Pizza = WS w/o food
* WS with sole sushi = ~2-4% increase on WS w/o food
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:15:20
Have I said that? No I have not.
Str is the BEST for YGK. It is.
I am arguing to NOT use Sushi, learn to read.
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:16:11
This argument has boiled down to people trying to twist my words and people who either a) Have never played sam or b) blindly listen what they have read and try to flame me.
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By Shiva.Borealis 2010-08-18 17:16:31
Ifrit.Zibo said: Have I said that? No I have not.
Str is the BEST for YGK. It is.
I am arguing to NOT use Sushi, learn to read.
I sense some rage in that comment :o
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-18 17:16:45
We are arguing to NOT use Pizza for Gekko, because the attack is superfluous.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-08-18 17:16:59
I don't even know wtf is going on in this thread anymore. Don't think I ever did.
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:17:24
Valefor.Argettio said: Ifrit.Zibo said: So you're telling me that weaponskilling with food = weaponskilling without food.
I am saying
* WS with Pizza = WS w/o food
* WS with sole sushi = ~2-4% increase on WS w/o food
I am saying that is not always the case, and that the acc from sushi isn't always needed, and if it isn't needed, Curry is the better choice.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-18 17:17:52
(fck quotes not working)
"This argument has boiled down to people trying to twist my words and people who either a) Have never played sam or b) blindly listen what they have read and try to flame me."
Because you need to play the job to know how to play one of the simplest jobs in the game?
kthx.
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:19:01
I have always been one to comment on jobs I haven't played, but people who obviously have never seen the gap in ws dmg from a curry bun -> no curry bun should not be speaking here.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-08-18 17:19:10
Ifrit.Zibo said: Have I said that? No I have not.
Str is the BEST for YGK. It is.
I am arguing to NOT use Sushi, learn to read.
STR is good, yes we agree here.
You say pizza is good, which has no STR
I say sushi is good, as it has STR
See the irony in your arguement
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-18 17:19:32
Seems to me like you're eyeballing said Gekko's.
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By Shiva.Borealis 2010-08-18 17:19:54
Ifrit.Zibo said: I have always been one to comment on jobs I haven't played, but people who obviously have never seen the gap in ws dmg from a curry bun -> no curry bun should not be speaking here.
You gain 5 STR... Barely anything.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-08-18 17:20:27
And yes, if you don't need acc then use curry, but that's given.
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:20:53
Valefor.Argettio said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Have I said that? No I have not.
Str is the BEST for YGK. It is.
I am arguing to NOT use Sushi, learn to read.
STR is good, yes we agree here.
You say pizza is good, which has no STR
I say sushi is good, as it has STR
See the irony in your arguement
My main argument is that 95% of the time you don't need acc, when acc is useless, use curry.
On the other hand, when you do need accuracy there is a very good chance that the mob has a high enough defense for you to need attack as well whether it be in ws/tp/or both.
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:21:46
Shiva.Daimos said: Seems to me like you're eyeballing said Gekko's.
I parse everything I do, and I could probably look at a parse and tell you who is and is not using food. If chosen correctly, it is a very large increase.
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By Shiva.Borealis 2010-08-18 17:22:08
Ifrit.Zibo said: Valefor.Argettio said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Have I said that? No I have not.
Str is the BEST for YGK. It is.
I am arguing to NOT use Sushi, learn to read.
STR is good, yes we agree here.
You say pizza is good, which has no STR
I say sushi is good, as it has STR
See the irony in your arguement
My main argument is that 95% of the time you don't need acc, when acc is useless, use curry.
On the other hand, when you do need accuracy there is a very good chance that the mob has a high enough defense for you to need attack as well whether it be in ws/tp/or both.
Many THF mobs have high evasion, should I stack attack for Gekkos then too? Should I ***.
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:22:44
Valefor.Argettio said: And yes, if you don't need acc then use curry, but that's given.
It seems as if you have been blindly flaming sams for using anything but sushi, which is why I got up-in-arms because, like I've been saying, even Ray Charles could hit a mob 95% of the time if he was a Samurai on any event he did at 75.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-18 17:22:58
Phew, thought we had an eyeballer on our hands.
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:23:43
Shiva.Borealis said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Valefor.Argettio said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Have I said that? No I have not.
Str is the BEST for YGK. It is.
I am arguing to NOT use Sushi, learn to read.
STR is good, yes we agree here.
You say pizza is good, which has no STR
I say sushi is good, as it has STR
See the irony in your arguement
My main argument is that 95% of the time you don't need acc, when acc is useless, use curry.
On the other hand, when you do need accuracy there is a very good chance that the mob has a high enough defense for you to need attack as well whether it be in ws/tp/or both.
Many THF mobs have high evasion, should I stack attack for Gekkos then too? Should I ***.
Because trash mobs matter, I was referring to alliance kill mobs a la HNM or creatures of the sort. Things that level correction would rape your acc, and then on top of it they would have a high defense to boot.
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By Shiva.Borealis 2010-08-18 17:24:09
Ifrit.Zibo said: Shiva.Borealis said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Valefor.Argettio said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Have I said that? No I have not.
Str is the BEST for YGK. It is.
I am arguing to NOT use Sushi, learn to read.
STR is good, yes we agree here.
You say pizza is good, which has no STR
I say sushi is good, as it has STR
See the irony in your arguement
My main argument is that 95% of the time you don't need acc, when acc is useless, use curry.
On the other hand, when you do need accuracy there is a very good chance that the mob has a high enough defense for you to need attack as well whether it be in ws/tp/or both.
Many THF mobs have high evasion, should I stack attack for Gekkos then too? Should I ***.
Because trash mobs matter, I was referring to alliance kill mobs a la HNM or creatures of the sort. Things that level correction would rape your acc, and then on top of it they would have a high defense to boot.
Nice save, bro.
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-18 17:25:27
Shiva.Borealis said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Shiva.Borealis said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Valefor.Argettio said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Have I said that? No I have not.
Str is the BEST for YGK. It is.
I am arguing to NOT use Sushi, learn to read.
STR is good, yes we agree here.
You say pizza is good, which has no STR
I say sushi is good, as it has STR
See the irony in your arguement
My main argument is that 95% of the time you don't need acc, when acc is useless, use curry.
On the other hand, when you do need accuracy there is a very good chance that the mob has a high enough defense for you to need attack as well whether it be in ws/tp/or both.
Many THF mobs have high evasion, should I stack attack for Gekkos then too? Should I ***.
Because trash mobs matter, I was referring to alliance kill mobs a la HNM or creatures of the sort. Things that level correction would rape your acc, and then on top of it they would have a high defense to boot.
Nice save, bro.
You say nice save when it was what I meant, I didn't think that level correction was esoteric information. I guess I could explain it to you if you like...
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-18 17:26:29
Oh jeeze another patented Bore quote train is arriving.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-18 17:26:30
It's not an invalid point, but the only few mobs that really cause that sort of scenario are JoL and maybe 95 mobs so far.
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By Shiva.Borealis 2010-08-18 17:27:05
Ifrit.Zibo said: Shiva.Borealis said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Shiva.Borealis said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Valefor.Argettio said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Have I said that? No I have not.
Str is the BEST for YGK. It is.
I am arguing to NOT use Sushi, learn to read.
STR is good, yes we agree here.
You say pizza is good, which has no STR
I say sushi is good, as it has STR
See the irony in your arguement
My main argument is that 95% of the time you don't need acc, when acc is useless, use curry.
On the other hand, when you do need accuracy there is a very good chance that the mob has a high enough defense for you to need attack as well whether it be in ws/tp/or both.
Many THF mobs have high evasion, should I stack attack for Gekkos then too? Should I ***.
Because trash mobs matter, I was referring to alliance kill mobs a la HNM or creatures of the sort. Things that level correction would rape your acc, and then on top of it they would have a high defense to boot.
Nice save, bro.
You say nice save when it was what I meant, I didn't think that level correction was esoteric information. I guess I could explain it to you if you like...
Well since I'm not Stanflame I can't read your *** mind, maybe you should tell us what you mean before you post 'NEED ATTAK FOR EVURYTHNG'. Details mean a lot.
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By Shiva.Borealis 2010-08-18 17:27:23
Shiva.Daimos said: Oh jeeze another patented Bore quote train is arriving.
It works.
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-18 17:27:52
It makes my head hurt :( too much grey
This is a current setup for 55. What can I add to make it better? I don't want to be running around being all suck ! advice appreciated :)
Edit: Added Fuma Kyahan :)
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