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By Ramuh.Urial 2013-01-04 09:53:35
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Bismarck.Misao said: »
he should not be able to be that tanky and deal that much damage as well tho :/
He only deals dmg like that if he gets ahead or fed.
Typically he doesn't.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-01-04 10:03:33
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Why nerf Blitz's pull? Nerf his damage, not his utility. He's one of the few champions that offer unique mechanisms, his damages are just way too high, that's all. People pick him for his hook, not his damage, that's why it should be nerfed, nothing else.

Gamedesigning101.
You realize Blitz is a walking CC machine right?
3 CC's, 2 of which are hard CC's.
Even if he did ***for dmg an enemy SHOULD be able to kill you during the time you're grabbed, knocked up and the silenced and can't flash away.
It's completely fine.

They did tweak his CC duration and nerfed his damage not long ago. He just needs more nerf. See Janna or even Zyra, they are extremely good example as to why only his damage is an issue.

What's wrong with playing a champion that is 90% utility and 10% damage? What's wrong with having a CC only champion, shining only in some situations (forced team fights/skirmishes)?

If I wasn't a game designer, I would cry about his CCs, but that's actually crying about the whole concept that is Blitzkrank. His damage are a mistake, not his kit. His kit "can" be seen as a mistake nowadays because with the evolution of the game, no champion gather as much CC as him. It's a kind of reverse power creep, because he was out when not many CC-master were, so he had to get the job done.

Bismarck.Misao said: »
he should not be able to be that tanky and deal that much damage as well tho :/
Yes. That's why they nerfed him a few weeks back, they just haven't hammered hard enough.

I feel sorry for the people playing Blitz outside of a support, but much like Zyra, he needs to be toned down.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2013-01-04 10:10:31
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Why nerf Blitz's pull? Nerf his damage, not his utility. He's one of the few champions that offer unique mechanisms, his damages are just way too high, that's all. People pick him for his hook, not his damage, that's why it should be nerfed, nothing else.

Gamedesigning101.
You realize Blitz is a walking CC machine right?
3 CC's, 2 of which are hard CC's.
Even if he did ***for dmg an enemy SHOULD be able to kill you during the time you're grabbed, knocked up and the silenced and can't flash away.
It's completely fine.

They did tweak his CC duration and nerfed his damage not long ago. He just needs more nerf. See Janna or even Zyra, they are extremely good example as to why only his damage is an issue.

What's wrong with playing a champion that is 90% utility and 10% damage? What's wrong with having a CC only champion, shining only in some situations (forced team fights/skirmishes)?

If I wasn't a game designer, I would cry about his CCs, but that's actually crying about the whole concept that is Blitzkrank. His damage are a mistake, not his kit. His kit "can" be seen as a mistake nowadays because with the evolution of the game, no champion gather as much CC as him. It's a kind of reverse power creep, because he was out when not many CC-master were, so he had to get the job done.

Did you just list Zyra as 10% dmg 90% utility..
wat....
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-01-04 10:13:07
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Ramuh.Urial said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Why nerf Blitz's pull? Nerf his damage, not his utility. He's one of the few champions that offer unique mechanisms, his damages are just way too high, that's all. People pick him for his hook, not his damage, that's why it should be nerfed, nothing else.

Gamedesigning101.
You realize Blitz is a walking CC machine right?
3 CC's, 2 of which are hard CC's.
Even if he did ***for dmg an enemy SHOULD be able to kill you during the time you're grabbed, knocked up and the silenced and can't flash away.
It's completely fine.

They did tweak his CC duration and nerfed his damage not long ago. He just needs more nerf. See Janna or even Zyra, they are extremely good example as to why only his damage is an issue.

What's wrong with playing a champion that is 90% utility and 10% damage? What's wrong with having a CC only champion, shining only in some situations (forced team fights/skirmishes)?

If I wasn't a game designer, I would cry about his CCs, but that's actually crying about the whole concept that is Blitzkrank. His damage are a mistake, not his kit. His kit "can" be seen as a mistake nowadays because with the evolution of the game, no champion gather as much CC as him. It's a kind of reverse power creep, because he was out when not many CC-master were, so he had to get the job done.

Did you just list Zyra as 10% dmg 90% utility..
wat....
I didn't, no.

This part is about what Blitz should be.
By volkom 2013-01-04 10:28:16
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Ramuh.Urial said: »
volkom said: »
Blitz op. Even in pro circuits
Damnit don't you know?
Kat is the cancer of this game, not Blitz!
Leave Blitzney alone!
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

The CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-01-04 10:51:58
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Why nerf Blitz's pull? Nerf his damage, not his utility. He's one of the few champions that offer unique mechanisms, his damages are just way too high, that's all. People pick him for his hook, not his damage, that's why it should be nerfed, nothing else.

Gamedesigning101.

The reason blitz is OP is due to his kit

Blitz will always be OP unless you nerf the pull, if he just had the knockup and the silence, sure he'd be a little strong but he wouldn't be as OP and permabanned

1 good blitz pull can win a game

that is why he needs to be nerfed
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-01-04 10:54:16
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Basically blitz isn't permabanned because he does too much damage

it's because he offers way too much utility and his kit is stupid broken

he has a kit that can't really be balanced, so you're probably not going to see him fixed any time soon
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-01-04 11:02:51
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Maybe if they release a champion taking some of his kit.

Kinda hard to backpedal in such a game involving people's money, though.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2013-01-04 11:03:09
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volkom said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
volkom said: »
Blitz op. Even in pro circuits
Damnit don't you know?
Kat is the cancer of this game, not Blitz!
Leave Blitzney alone!
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

The CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!


/shunpo~deathlotus
Dont forget to spam sinister steel :D
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-01-04 11:08:44
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really the only way to play against blitz is to pick against blitz before the game starts

pick a team of people you wouldn't want to pull in
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By Fairy.Spence 2013-01-04 11:14:04
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Trundle! For he is smelly!
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-01-04 11:16:02
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Fairy.Spence said: »
Trundle! For he is smelly!

Pull him in

*** EVERYWHERE
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-01-04 11:19:09
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Trundle has the best laugh of the entire game.
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By Ultrarichard 2013-01-04 11:24:30
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I don't really think blitz is SO bad. I lose to him occasionally, but I win more often than not, with Leona, or Nunu.

Simple solution? Don't get grabbed. It's not quick, and you can always see it coming (animation wise). If you do, then your mistake.


Be lucky you don't see him in the Jungle with any degree of regularity.
Having a grab come at you from absolutely anywhere is terrifying, much worse than Amumu.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-01-04 11:31:04
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Ultrarichard said: »
I don't really think blitz is SO bad. I lose to him occasionally, but I win more often than not, with Leona, or Nunu.

Simple solution? Don't get grabbed. It's not quick, and you can always see it coming (animation wise). If you do, then your mistake.


Be lucky you don't see him in the Jungle with any degree of regularity.
Having a grab come at you from absolutely anywhere is terrifying, much worse than Amumu.
^

I think the main problem people have is that:

1) his hook is still lethal as ***
2) they are lazy and don't want to shake their habits, actually adapting

Not saying I'm good against a Blitz and will never get pulled, but I sure as *** don't play as I would without a Blitz in front.

As for the jungle part, most Blitz I face tend to roam the jungle hardcore and pull people. That's what makes him dangerous as ***, but then again, warding jungle exist, adapting etc.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-01-04 11:33:24
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Even pros get hooked
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-01-04 11:48:59
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Since people like to play randomly (and after talking about it yesterday), we should maybe organize a 5v5 event between the AH people (and/or the usual people we bring)?

We could ARAM or normal rift, special theme (only supports, only bruisers etc). Would be fun.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2013-01-04 11:54:04
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
we should maybe organize a 5v5 event between the AH people
kinda did it before.
-get trindemere, ragequit-
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By Ultrarichard 2013-01-04 11:54:47
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
Even pros get hooked


Ya. And if it's a game changer, they accept the defeat and go on.

But a Taric stun or Morgana bind are just as game changing.

Which is a shame, because I don't think I've ever landed a hook any time I play blitz. Certainly not one that I would remember as awesome.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-01-04 11:57:35
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Bismarck.Misao said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
we should maybe organize a 5v5 event between the AH people
kinda did it before.
-get trindemere, ragequit-
Well, without the ragequit then :D
By volkom 2013-01-04 11:57:47
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Since people like to play randomly (and after talking about it yesterday), we should maybe organize a 5v5 event between the AH people (and/or the usual people we bring)?

We could ARAM or normal rift, special theme (only supports, only bruisers etc). Would be fun.

i forsee 5 angry people at the end of that
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-01-04 11:58:45
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Ultrarichard said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
Even pros get hooked


Ya. And if it's a game changer, they accept the defeat and go on.

But a Taric stun or Morgana bind are just as game changing.

Which is a shame, because I don't think I've ever landed a hook any time I play blitz. Certainly not one that I would remember as awesome.

A morgana binding or a taric stun aren't the same because they don't bring you into the entire enemy team instantly

One ability having the ability to turn a losing game completely around is a bit ridiculous

blitzcrank makes for instant 1v5s and then afterwards 4v5s

its kind of broken
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-01-04 12:01:53
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volkom said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Since people like to play randomly (and after talking about it yesterday), we should maybe organize a 5v5 event between the AH people (and/or the usual people we bring)?

We could ARAM or normal rift, special theme (only supports, only bruisers etc). Would be fun.

i forsee 5 angry people at the end of that
Doubt so, out of all the people from AH I have played only one was actually an idiot. If anything, 9 people will make fun of him/ignore him/tell him to grow the *** up when it happens.

Asura.Lolserj said: »
Ultrarichard said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
Even pros get hooked


Ya. And if it's a game changer, they accept the defeat and go on.

But a Taric stun or Morgana bind are just as game changing.

Which is a shame, because I don't think I've ever landed a hook any time I play blitz. Certainly not one that I would remember as awesome.

A morgana binding or a taric stun aren't the same because they don't bring you into the entire enemy team instantly

One ability having the ability to turn a losing game completely around is a bit ridiculous

blitzcrank makes for instant 1v5s and then afterwards 4v5s

its kind of broken
Yes, and as you said before, reducing the range would make him Darius².

That's why the only thing I see being doable against Blitz is ruining the rest, but it doesn't solve the hook.

But at the same time, this is Blitz's signature, there is nothing to solve imo.
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2013-01-04 12:31:08
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I dont think I've played with too many people in this thread.

Volkom, Rhaokin, WujuTsu, EveryonesRancor, Hastefeet...
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By Fairy.Spence 2013-01-04 12:42:40
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Saving the best for last, I bet!
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By Ramuh.Urial 2013-01-04 12:49:29
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Fairy.Spence said: »
Saving the best for last, I bet!
I feel left out too...
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2013-01-04 13:34:58
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
That's why the only thing I see being doable against Blitz is ruining the rest, but it doesn't solve the hook.

But at the same time, this is Blitz's signature, there is nothing to solve imo.
The worst thing I can see them doing is messing with his cooldown timer and costs, but imo its already decently high. As much as I hate a blitz crank at times I feel that hes a 1 trick pony, after his hook has missed, his presence is pretty minimal, but I dont really bot lane and when I do its on support so I dont really have too much fear of blitz cranks.
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2013-01-04 13:54:06
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I've played with a few of you others too, just couldn't think of your names XD
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By Bahamut.Kujah 2013-01-04 14:34:19
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Need a 5th on EU West! Add me if up for any games, LoL name is Kujah
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-01-04 15:22:12
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